Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 : > I have previously had my feelings questioned. Someone asks how I am > feeling and I give an honest answer and they do not believe me - I just > don't get it! I am being honest about how I am feeling - they are my > feelings and yet people do not seem to believe how I feel - I find this > very frustrating. How annoying! I believe you anyway. ;-) Hawkeye: > When asked how I am, I tend to give answers that can be relative. I'm ok, I'm here, I'm not complaining and things like that. Ok compared to wonderful or to lousy-let it mean whatever they person asking wants, or not complaing-I don't say I can't complain and it doesn't say how much there is that I could complain about if I wanted to. Clever! :-) Ken: > It would be great if there were videos or DVDs available illustrating how > a person seems when they are or are not telling the truth. Then we could > study and learn to tell the difference. I've learned by experience, by > watching and then remembering later whether the person told the truth or > not. I got screwed enough times that I decided I had to learn the > difference. You build up a database of signals that you can access later. Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause problems at other times. Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 : > I have previously had my feelings questioned. Someone asks how I am > feeling and I give an honest answer and they do not believe me - I just > don't get it! I am being honest about how I am feeling - they are my > feelings and yet people do not seem to believe how I feel - I find this > very frustrating. How annoying! I believe you anyway. ;-) Hawkeye: > When asked how I am, I tend to give answers that can be relative. I'm ok, I'm here, I'm not complaining and things like that. Ok compared to wonderful or to lousy-let it mean whatever they person asking wants, or not complaing-I don't say I can't complain and it doesn't say how much there is that I could complain about if I wanted to. Clever! :-) Ken: > It would be great if there were videos or DVDs available illustrating how > a person seems when they are or are not telling the truth. Then we could > study and learn to tell the difference. I've learned by experience, by > watching and then remembering later whether the person told the truth or > not. I got screwed enough times that I decided I had to learn the > difference. You build up a database of signals that you can access later. Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause problems at other times. Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 You're right Inger, it is very complicated when you hear some alarm bells about someone because you think that person might be not telling the truth, but you can not really be sure or prove it yet... I think those situations are the most complicated I have been in. Exactly because I don't want to jugde people guilty until I am really really sure. I have thought about that very often and have asked myself if maybe it would be better to not wait for solid proves. But I somehow am not able to do so. Lida Inger wrote: I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause problems at other times.IngerFAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy > output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until > they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until > proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause > problems at other times. > > Inger I thought politicians lied all the time :-) and just because they say 'education' 3 times isn't going to sort the problem out. It has been found out/proved that the UK prime minister lied and yet he still got voted in - strange. I heard a person on a comedy satire programme say - 'he may be a liar - but he's the people's liar' - go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy > output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until > they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until > proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause > problems at other times. > > Inger I thought politicians lied all the time :-) and just because they say 'education' 3 times isn't going to sort the problem out. It has been found out/proved that the UK prime minister lied and yet he still got voted in - strange. I heard a person on a comedy satire programme say - 'he may be a liar - but he's the people's liar' - go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Moonpie, That is a good book. I've read it several times myself and it has kept me out of trouble many times. I think the best thing to do is to be a little suspicious of everyone when you first meet them, depending on the circumstances. If it is someone a friend is introducing you to, them not so bad, but if it is someone on the street, then be very suspicious. A couple of examples. If someone on the street asks you if you have any change, like 75 cents, tell them no. If you tell them you have the change then they will know that you very likely have more money and will try to get it one way or the other. If someone offers to help you with you bags and they don't work at the place (like a hotel, airport or whatever) it would be best to tell them no and stick too it. If you see a group of males looking at you, it would be best to cross the street or otherwise avoid them. Keep your eyes on other people if you are in a public area. If you see others stearing clear of a person or a group, then you do too. If someone or a group shows up and everyone else leaves, take the hint and leave too. How does this short list apply? I've been asked several times by people if I have change. I never gave it to them but I have seen others do so with one woman having her purse snatched while she was looking for the change. In a train station in Philadelphia I had a guy offer to carry my bag. That wasn't going to happen given the way he looked. He ended up following me into the train station and tried to steal my bag while I was in the gift shop and had walked a few feet from my bag. Unfortunately for him it weighed 50 pounds and he could barely lift it let alone run. I pulled my knife from my pocket and walked toward him and he ran, didn't even have to open it. I was in Chicago a few years back and there was a group of guys who were watching me. up ahead on the street. I crossed the street and they followed. Half a block later I ducked into a restaraunt, a fancy one I wouldn't have been served in given the way I was dressed (casual and it was a tie and tails places) and told the maitre d I was being followed and just needed a few mintues for the people to bugger off. That must happen a lot since he let me stay in the lobby. When a bunch of the snoots (snoots = people with a very high, usually false, opinion of themselves who look down their nose at other people) I went out after them and the bad guys were gone. Lastly, I was in a waterfront park in Mobile maybe 4 years ago. I was waiting to film a big ship coming down the river for my mother's class. At the time there were some other people in the park. This tall street guy walks in and everyone else starts to leave. I leave too but only go to the convention center to get my footage. To my surprise the man followed me and tried to attack me. I used my new stun gun on him and dropped him like a rag doll. I grabbed my stuff and left in a hurry leaving him rolling around on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy > output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until > they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until > proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause > problems at other times. > > Inger Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, but you find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not shared by everyone else. I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there without condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in nursery school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will behave differently. If there were no evil, then there could be no good , for there would be no contrast. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Lida, often we really do know when someone is lying, but then we let our mind add complexity and doubt to what we know deep down is correct. The mind can always create doubt to our intuitive realizations. I try to trust my first instinct, and when I do, I find it's usually correct. Ken > > > I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause > problems at other times. > Inger > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Ken: > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, but you > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not shared > by everyone else. Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any members of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That really shattered me for a long time. > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there without > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in nursery > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will behave > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, for there > would be no contrast. I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me seem just like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws me is when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to not be. Inger > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes > but cause problems at other times. > > Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I so wish that someone had taught me when I was young to trust my intuition and gut feeling. That could have saved me from a LOT of trouble and pain. Inger > Lida, often we really do know when someone is lying, but then we let our mind add complexity and doubt to what we know deep down is correct. The mind can always create doubt to our intuitive realizations. I try to trust my first instinct, and when I do, I find it's usually correct. Ken > > > I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes but cause > problems at other times. > Inger > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I have read the book, The Gift of Fear, by Gavin De Becker, three times. It addresses this subject very well. It taught me more about intuition vs logic, than any thing I have ever read. I've also given it to women friends, as gifts. I think every one should read it, especially in this day and age. I think De Becker has a web site. You won't be sorry if you read this book. I noticed he was the spokesperson for on's family, at the time of the former, Beatle's passing. This made sense to me. I figured had hired him after some one broke in to his castle and stabbed him, then they became close.greebohere wrote: I have experienced something similiar - it's not wether a person is lying or not - but sometimes I meet a person and I know not to trust them - this only happens rarely and my intuition is screaming don't trust this person and yet my logic can find no reason not to - it's very confusing - maybe I should try listen to my intuition more.> > You're right Inger, it is very complicated when you hear some alarm> bells about someone because you think that person might be not telling> the truth, but you can not really be sure or prove it yet... > > > > I think those situations are the most complicated I have been in.> Exactly because I don't want to jugde people guilty until I am really> really sure. I have thought about that very often and have asked> myself if maybe it would be better to not wait for solid proves. > > > > But I somehow am not able to do so. > > > > Lida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Even the " morally mature " always have a choice a make between the good and the pleasant, the dharmic and adharmic, the correct and the convenient. Ken > Ken: > > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, but you > > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not shared > > by everyone else. > > Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The > biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any members > of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That really > shattered me for a long time. > > > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there without > > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in nursery > > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will behave > > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, for there > > would be no contrast. > > I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me seem just > like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws me is > when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to not be. > > Inger > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But > > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are > > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is > > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes > > but cause problems at other times. > > > > Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Good to hear your stories! It took me that many times to read it, to get it all to "sink in". Thanks for the validation. I think it would be a very valuable "read" for most people.VISIGOTH@... wrote: Moonpie, That is a good book. I've read it several times myself and it has kept me out of trouble many times. I think the best thing to do is to be a little suspicious of everyone when you first meet them, depending on the circumstances. If it is someone a friend is introducing you to, them not so bad, but if it is someone on the street, then be very suspicious. A couple of examples. If someone on the street asks you if you have any change, like 75 cents, tell them no. If you tell them you have the change then they will know that you very likely have more money and will try to get it one way or the other. If someone offers to help you with you bags and they don't work at the place (like a hotel, airport or whatever) it would be best to tell them no and stick too it. If you see a group of males looking at you, it would be best to cross the street or otherwise avoid them. Keep your eyes on other people if you are in a public area. If you see others stearing clear of a person or a group, then you do too. If someone or a group shows up and everyone else leaves, take the hint and leave too. How does this short list apply? I've been asked several times by people if I have change. I never gave it to them but I have seen others do so with one woman having her purse snatched while she was looking for the change. In a train station in Philadelphia I had a guy offer to carry my bag. That wasn't going to happen given the way he looked. He ended up following me into the train station and tried to steal my bag while I was in the gift shop and had walked a few feet from my bag. Unfortunately for him it weighed 50 pounds and he could barely lift it let alone run. I pulled my knife from my pocket and walked toward him and he ran, didn't even have to open it. I was in Chicago a few years back and there was a group of guys who were watching me. up ahead on the street. I crossed the street and they followed. Half a block later I ducked into a restaraunt, a fancy one I wouldn't have been served in given the way I was dressed (casual and it was a tie and tails places) and told the maitre d I was being followed and just needed a few mintues for the people to bugger off. That must happen a lot since he let me stay in the lobby. When a bunch of the snoots (snoots = people with a very high, usually false, opinion of themselves who look down their nose at other people) I went out after them and the bad guys were gone. Lastly, I was in a waterfront park in Mobile maybe 4 years ago. I was waiting to film a big ship coming down the river for my mother's class. At the time there were some other people in the park. This tall street guy walks in and everyone else starts to leave. I leave too but only go to the convention center to get my footage. To my surprise the man followed me and tried to attack me. I used my new stun gun on him and dropped him like a rag doll. I grabbed my stuff and left in a hurry leaving him rolling around on the ground. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." "Genius is childhood recaptured" - Beaudelair Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 It's not too late. I started in my early 40s and it only took about ten years to get pretty good at it. Ken > > > > > > I still find it hard to grasp that people can be lying - except > when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very attentive I > can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their energy > output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But then the > > problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, > everyone is innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent > problems sometimes but cause > > problems at other times. > > Inger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, > support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page > in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Inger, In most states they are. They aren't like the TASERS you have been hearing about and are safe to use. Its only high crime areas like New York City, Washington DC and California where they are illegal. Most places are pretty safe, but you never really know when you are going to run across someone with bad intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Inger, In most states they are. They aren't like the TASERS you have been hearing about and are safe to use. Its only high crime areas like New York City, Washington DC and California where they are illegal. Most places are pretty safe, but you never really know when you are going to run across someone with bad intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Inger, In most states they are. They aren't like the TASERS you have been hearing about and are safe to use. Its only high crime areas like New York City, Washington DC and California where they are illegal. Most places are pretty safe, but you never really know when you are going to run across someone with bad intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Not sure what " adharmic " is but otherwise you are right, of course. Inger Re: Social Politness Even the " morally mature " always have a choice a make between the good and the pleasant, the dharmic and adharmic, the correct and the convenient. Ken > Ken: > > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, but you > > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not shared > > by everyone else. > > Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The > biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any members > of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That really > shattered me for a long time. > > > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there without > > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in nursery > > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will behave > > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, for there > > would be no contrast. > > I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me seem just > like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws me is > when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to not be. > > Inger > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But > > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are > > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is > > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes > > but cause problems at other times. > > > > Inger FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Not sure what " adharmic " is but otherwise you are right, of course. Inger Re: Social Politness Even the " morally mature " always have a choice a make between the good and the pleasant, the dharmic and adharmic, the correct and the convenient. Ken > Ken: > > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, but you > > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not shared > > by everyone else. > > Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The > biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any members > of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That really > shattered me for a long time. > > > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there without > > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in nursery > > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will behave > > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, for there > > would be no contrast. > > I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me seem just > like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws me is > when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to not be. > > Inger > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people can be > > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if I'm very > > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. But > > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that they are > > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, everyone is > > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems sometimes > > but cause problems at other times. > > > > Inger FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Good advice (if you live in an unsafe part of the world). Stun gun, eh? Are those legal? Inger Re: Re: Social Politness Good to hear your stories! It took me that many times to read it, to get it all to "sink in". Thanks for the validation. I think it would be a very valuable "read" for most people.VISIGOTH@... wrote: Moonpie, That is a good book. I've read it several times myself and it has kept me out of trouble many times. I think the best thing to do is to be a little suspicious of everyone when you first meet them, depending on the circumstances. If it is someone a friend is introducing you to, them not so bad, but if it is someone on the street, then be very suspicious. A couple of examples. If someone on the street asks you if you have any change, like 75 cents, tell them no. If you tell them you have the change then they will know that you very likely have more money and will try to get it one way or the other. If someone offers to help you with you bags and they don't work at the place (like a hotel, airport or whatever) it would be best to tell them no and stick too it. If you see a group of males looking at you, it would be best to cross the street or otherwise avoid them. Keep your eyes on other people if you are in a public area. If you see others stearing clear of a person or a group, then you do too. If someone or a group shows up and everyone else leaves, take the hint and leave too. How does this short list apply? I've been asked several times by people if I have change. I never gave it to them but I have seen others do so with one woman having her purse snatched while she was looking for the change. In a train station in Philadelphia I had a guy offer to carry my bag. That wasn't going to happen given the way he looked. He ended up following me into the train station and tried to steal my bag while I was in the gift shop and had walked a few feet from my bag. Unfortunately for him it weighed 50 pounds and he could barely lift it let alone run. I pulled my knife from my pocket and walked toward him and he ran, didn't even have to open it. I was in Chicago a few years back and there was a group of guys who were watching me. up ahead on the street. I crossed the street and they followed. Half a block later I ducked into a restaraunt, a fancy one I wouldn't have been served in given the way I was dressed (casual and it was a tie and tails places) and told the maitre d I was being followed and just needed a few mintues for the people to bugger off. That must happen a lot since he let me stay in the lobby. When a bunch of the snoots (snoots = people with a very high, usually false, opinion of themselves who look down their nose at other people) I went out after them and the bad guys were gone. Lastly, I was in a waterfront park in Mobile maybe 4 years ago. I was waiting to film a big ship coming down the river for my mother's class. At the time there were some other people in the park. This tall street guy walks in and everyone else starts to leave. I leave too but only go to the convention center to get my footage. To my surprise the man followed me and tried to attack me. I used my new stun gun on him and dropped him like a rag doll. I grabbed my stuff and left in a hurry leaving him rolling around on the ground. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." "Genius is childhood recaptured" - Beaudelair Yahoo! MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Good advice (if you live in an unsafe part of the world). Stun gun, eh? Are those legal? Inger Re: Re: Social Politness Good to hear your stories! It took me that many times to read it, to get it all to "sink in". Thanks for the validation. I think it would be a very valuable "read" for most people.VISIGOTH@... wrote: Moonpie, That is a good book. I've read it several times myself and it has kept me out of trouble many times. I think the best thing to do is to be a little suspicious of everyone when you first meet them, depending on the circumstances. If it is someone a friend is introducing you to, them not so bad, but if it is someone on the street, then be very suspicious. A couple of examples. If someone on the street asks you if you have any change, like 75 cents, tell them no. If you tell them you have the change then they will know that you very likely have more money and will try to get it one way or the other. If someone offers to help you with you bags and they don't work at the place (like a hotel, airport or whatever) it would be best to tell them no and stick too it. If you see a group of males looking at you, it would be best to cross the street or otherwise avoid them. Keep your eyes on other people if you are in a public area. If you see others stearing clear of a person or a group, then you do too. If someone or a group shows up and everyone else leaves, take the hint and leave too. How does this short list apply? I've been asked several times by people if I have change. I never gave it to them but I have seen others do so with one woman having her purse snatched while she was looking for the change. In a train station in Philadelphia I had a guy offer to carry my bag. That wasn't going to happen given the way he looked. He ended up following me into the train station and tried to steal my bag while I was in the gift shop and had walked a few feet from my bag. Unfortunately for him it weighed 50 pounds and he could barely lift it let alone run. I pulled my knife from my pocket and walked toward him and he ran, didn't even have to open it. I was in Chicago a few years back and there was a group of guys who were watching me. up ahead on the street. I crossed the street and they followed. Half a block later I ducked into a restaraunt, a fancy one I wouldn't have been served in given the way I was dressed (casual and it was a tie and tails places) and told the maitre d I was being followed and just needed a few mintues for the people to bugger off. That must happen a lot since he let me stay in the lobby. When a bunch of the snoots (snoots = people with a very high, usually false, opinion of themselves who look down their nose at other people) I went out after them and the bad guys were gone. Lastly, I was in a waterfront park in Mobile maybe 4 years ago. I was waiting to film a big ship coming down the river for my mother's class. At the time there were some other people in the park. This tall street guy walks in and everyone else starts to leave. I leave too but only go to the convention center to get my footage. To my surprise the man followed me and tried to attack me. I used my new stun gun on him and dropped him like a rag doll. I grabbed my stuff and left in a hurry leaving him rolling around on the ground. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." "Genius is childhood recaptured" - Beaudelair Yahoo! MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Opposite of dharmic. And it's not a small matter. Even the most advanced souls get tested with making subtle choices, and many don't pass. Even Jesus was severely tested in the desert. Ken > > Ken: > > > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, > but you > > > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not > shared > > > by everyone else. > > > > Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The > > biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any > members > > of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That > really > > shattered me for a long time. > > > > > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there > without > > > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in > nursery > > > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will > behave > > > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, > for there > > > would be no contrast. > > > > I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me > seem just > > like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws > me is > > when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to > not be. > > > > Inger > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people > can be > > > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if > I'm very > > > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > > > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. > But > > > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that > they are > > > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, > everyone is > > > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems > sometimes > > > but cause problems at other times. > > > > > > Inger > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Opposite of dharmic. And it's not a small matter. Even the most advanced souls get tested with making subtle choices, and many don't pass. Even Jesus was severely tested in the desert. Ken > > Ken: > > > Maybe you are fully capable of intuiting when someone is lying, > but you > > > find it hard to admit to yourself that your pure worldview is not > shared > > > by everyone else. > > > > Yes. That's a big part of the problem. I don't want to believe it. The > > biggest shock for me was to discover that even a few Aspies (not any > members > > of this forum, but of another board) could lie and manipulate. That > really > > shattered me for a long time. > > > > > I think I finally got to a place where I can face what is there > without > > > condemning it. It's what it is, and it's okay. There are people in > nursery > > > school and there are people in doctoral programs, and they will > behave > > > differently. If there were no evil, then there´could be no good, > for there > > > would be no contrast. > > > > I know. I have no problem with certain types of people who to me > seem just > > like " younger souls " that simply don't know any better. What throws > me is > > when someone I really thought would be " morally mature " turns out to > not be. > > > > Inger > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I still find it hard to grasp that people > can be > > > lying - except when it comes to politicians and the like. But if > I'm very > > > attentive I can sometimes pick up a sort of discrepancy between their > > > energy output and what they are saying that rings a little alarm. > But > > > then the problem is that one may still not WANT to belive that > they are > > > lying - until they show it beyond a shadow of a doubt. For me, > everyone is > > > innocent until proven guilty. That attitude can prevent problems > sometimes > > > but cause problems at other times. > > > > > > Inger > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Safe for whom? The user or the recipient? ;-)) Is it like a cattle prodder? Have you had one tried on yourself? What does it do really? Does it hurt? Inger Inger, It is something like a cattle prod, but works on a different principle. A cattle prod uses a charge simply to inflict pain. Stun guns work in a couple of ways. Most of them use a 50,000 to 150,000 volts charge to make the muscles spasm very rapidly and tire themselves out and it very painful. The kind I have uses 25,000 volts at the same frequency as the voluntary nervous system. It works by jamming those nerves with an effect that lasts for about 10 minutes. This is safer than the other type because it uses lower voltage, it affects only the voluntary nerves and doesn't load the body with lactic acid like the others. As for the other questions, yes I am imagine it does hurt. No, I have never tried on myself and I don't intend to any more than I intend to shoot or stab myself to see what that feels like. I have zapped the thing on metal objects just to see how far the machine would reach and my hand did feel a little tingly after that. I do think it is safer for both the weilder and the target. Yes it will hurt the target for the second or so the device is in contact and firing, but once the charge stops, the pain stops. The effects are also temporary. Both of those beats getting shot, stabbed or beaten senseless. For the wielder it is better because there is less hesitation to actually use it if you really have to, you won't seriously hurt the other person so you won't have that on your conscience, and the legal ramifications are much less again because you won't seriously hurt them and it shows restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Safe for whom? The user or the recipient? ;-)) Is it like a cattle prodder? Have you had one tried on yourself? What does it do really? Does it hurt? Inger Inger, It is something like a cattle prod, but works on a different principle. A cattle prod uses a charge simply to inflict pain. Stun guns work in a couple of ways. Most of them use a 50,000 to 150,000 volts charge to make the muscles spasm very rapidly and tire themselves out and it very painful. The kind I have uses 25,000 volts at the same frequency as the voluntary nervous system. It works by jamming those nerves with an effect that lasts for about 10 minutes. This is safer than the other type because it uses lower voltage, it affects only the voluntary nerves and doesn't load the body with lactic acid like the others. As for the other questions, yes I am imagine it does hurt. No, I have never tried on myself and I don't intend to any more than I intend to shoot or stab myself to see what that feels like. I have zapped the thing on metal objects just to see how far the machine would reach and my hand did feel a little tingly after that. I do think it is safer for both the weilder and the target. Yes it will hurt the target for the second or so the device is in contact and firing, but once the charge stops, the pain stops. The effects are also temporary. Both of those beats getting shot, stabbed or beaten senseless. For the wielder it is better because there is less hesitation to actually use it if you really have to, you won't seriously hurt the other person so you won't have that on your conscience, and the legal ramifications are much less again because you won't seriously hurt them and it shows restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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