milk- is it really so good for us? help

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have never been much on drinking milk....

but am now after reading NT I am adding to my

diet and as well as cream.

Raw, grass fed, unpasturized of course

Have not tried kefir yet.

My problem is I am still unsure that it is so

good for us. Having been to natural doctors

convincing me that any dairy is bad for you,

even raw-- I quit dairy completely for over a year.

I have read the real milk site, though it is good

I realize they are " slanted " to the milk side.

I just want an objective opinion on the milk

topic. Also if it is so good for us why do so

many have problemes tolerating it? And what do

you say to those that point out only man drinks

another's milk after weaning?

Thanks for any and all thoughts!

This site is a pleasure to read!

[Guest guest]

>> And what do

you say to those that point out only man drinks

another's milk after weaning? <<

Well, first off, my dogs and cats love dairy products (as do I). The ability

of humans to obtain a food in ways another species cannot can surely be seen

as part of our natures, and thus part of nature? Humans are creators,

tinkerers, builders, inventors, and innovators - and isn't that part of our

nature and our success as a species? Is there something intrinsically good

about not doing anything that other species don't do (except with our help,

such as my afore-mentioned dogs and cats). If so, where exactly in our

evolution as a species do we draw the line, and say anything that developed

after this is " unnatural " ?

I mean, we cook, we live in houses, we wear clothes, we fly in airplanes, we

use breast pumps, we go on the Internet. Is milk drinking the most unnatural

thing we do? <G>

I think dairy products have to be evaluated not by some imaginary standard

of " nature, " but instead by their nutritional value, their role as a

traditional food, and their undeniable deliciousness.

Christie

[Guest guest]

That is one of the most interesting ways of putting it and I have heard a

lot since I lurk on many different sites. =)

Re: milk- is it really so good for us? help

> >> And what do

> you say to those that point out only man drinks

> another's milk after weaning? <<

>

> Well, first off, my dogs and cats love dairy products (as do I). The

ability

> of humans to obtain a food in ways another species cannot can surely be

seen

> as part of our natures, and thus part of nature? Humans are creators,

> tinkerers, builders, inventors, and innovators - and isn't that part of

our

> nature and our success as a species? Is there something intrinsically good

> about not doing anything that other species don't do (except with our

help,

> such as my afore-mentioned dogs and cats). If so, where exactly in our

> evolution as a species do we draw the line, and say anything that

developed

> after this is " unnatural " ?

>

> I mean, we cook, we live in houses, we wear clothes, we fly in airplanes,

we

> use breast pumps, we go on the Internet. Is milk drinking the most

unnatural

> thing we do? <G>

>

> I think dairy products have to be evaluated not by some imaginary standard

> of " nature, " but instead by their nutritional value, their role as a

> traditional food, and their undeniable deliciousness.

>

> Christie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi ,

get the book the Story of Milk by Ron Schmidt. people have been drinking

milk and thriving on it for millennia. he explains that the problem is

past./homogen. milk, and how milk came to be past.

he also explains the milk cure, which used to happen at the Mayo clinic

decades ago. people with really bad diseases would come and drink only

raw milk and be cured.

so I'm sorry, but i believe all this anti-dairy stuff in the 'health

world' is a load of crap.

but, having said that, past./homogen. milk should be avoided like the

plague. so they are right if that's the kind of milk they are talking

about to avoid.

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:10:11 -0000 " jili424 " <jili424@...>

writes:

Hi,

I have never been much on drinking milk....

but am now after reading NT I am adding to my

diet and as well as cream.

Raw, grass fed, unpasturized of course

Have not tried kefir yet.

My problem is I am still unsure that it is so

good for us. Having been to natural doctors

convincing me that any dairy is bad for you,

even raw-- I quit dairy completely for over a year.

I have read the real milk site, though it is good

I realize they are " slanted " to the milk side.

I just want an objective opinion on the milk

topic. Also if it is so good for us why do so

many have problemes tolerating it? And what do

you say to those that point out only man drinks

another's milk after weaning?

Thanks for any and all thoughts!

This site is a pleasure to read!

[Guest guest]

will someone PLEASE have a talk with marilu henner?

> >> And what do

> you say to those that point out only man drinks

> another's milk after weaning? <<

>

> Well, first off, my dogs and cats love dairy products (as do I). The

ability

> of humans to obtain a food in ways another species cannot can surely be

seen

> as part of our natures, and thus part of nature? Humans are creators,

> tinkerers, builders, inventors, and innovators - and isn't that part of

our

> nature and our success as a species? Is there something intrinsically

good

> about not doing anything that other species don't do (except with our

help,

> such as my afore-mentioned dogs and cats). If so, where exactly in our

> evolution as a species do we draw the line, and say anything that

developed

> after this is " unnatural " ?

>

> I mean, we cook, we live in houses, we wear clothes, we fly in

airplanes,

we

> use breast pumps, we go on the Internet. Is milk drinking the most

unnatural

> thing we do?

[Guest guest]

*LOL* I thought the SAME thing!!!!!!!!! I gave up milk for a year after reading

her book! and then I just never drank it because it hurt me...*L*

marie

Re: milk- is it really so good for us? help

will someone PLEASE have a talk with marilu henner?

> >> And what do

> you say to those that point out only man drinks

> another's milk after weaning? <<

>

[Guest guest]

hi Marie,

i joined her online thingy one year; i lasted about a day i think. i

just can't eat her way.

what really bothers me about her, tho, is that she is just so OBNOXIOUS

about her beliefs. she is right and everyone else is wrong...

laura

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:47:50 -0700 " Marie P " <pollard@...> writes:

*LOL* I thought the SAME thing!!!!!!!!! I gave up milk for a year after

reading her book! and then I just never drank it because it hurt me...*L*

marie

Re: milk- is it really so good for us? help

will someone PLEASE have a talk with marilu henner?

[Guest guest]

How long exactly have people been drinking milk and how do 'they' know? i

read so many conflicting things.

Elaine

> get the book the Story of Milk by Ron Schmidt. people have been drinking

> milk and thriving on it for millennia.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

i gave you the wrong title, it's the Untold Story of Milk.

'they' have ways of ascertaining these things.

archeology for one thing.

also, the bible is millennia years old. in the old testament the

Israelites were being led by God and Moses to a land flowing with milk

and honey.

many thriving cultures depend on milk.

there is a tribe in Africa, the masai, who live exclusively on milk, meat

and blood. no fruits, veggies, grains. they are very healthy. a lot

healthier than we are!

have you read Dr. price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration?

laura

On 18 Jun 2004 18:52:05 -0700 " Elaine " <itchyink@...> writes:

How long exactly have people been drinking milk and how do 'they' know? i

read so many conflicting things.

Elaine

> get the book the Story of Milk by Ron Schmidt. people have been

drinking

> milk and thriving on it for millennia.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:10:11 -0000

" jili424 " <jili424@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I have never been much on drinking milk....

> but am now after reading NT I am adding to my

> diet and as well as cream.

> Raw, grass fed, unpasturized of course

> Have not tried kefir yet.

>

> My problem is I am still unsure that it is so

> good for us. Having been to natural doctors

> convincing me that any dairy is bad for you,

> even raw-- I quit dairy completely for over a year.

> I have read the real milk site, though it is good

> I realize they are " slanted " to the milk side.

> I just want an objective opinion on the milk

> topic. Also if it is so good for us why do so

> many have problemes tolerating it? And what do

> you say to those that point out only man drinks

> another's milk after weaning?

There are a number of reasons why people have a problem tolerating milk.

IMO, very few of them have anything to do with milk per se.

One problem is that for most of our history people have drunk something

other than cows milk. I thimk that explains why many people who have a

problem with cows milk don't have a problem with goat, mare, sheep and

various other milks from different animals.

A second problem is the poor nutritional quality of most cows milk. I

had a problem with cows milk for years, and never had a problem with

goats milk. Then my supply of raw goats milk disappeared (thanks to our

local gov't). I then started drinking raw cows milk. It created a lot of

intestinal upset though not all the mucous that pasteurized cow milk

would cause. Then I worked with my supplier to increase the quality of

the feed she gave to her animals by introducing her to a refractometer,

and lo and behold when the brix of the milk reached 13, I had NO

problems.

So while cows milk may be a problem in many instances, poor quality cows

milk may equally be to blame. And just because your milk is raw,

grass-fed, certified organic and unpasteurized, is no guarantee that it

is nutritious.

A third problem is that drinking raw COLD UNCULTURED milk is a fairly

recent occidental practice. Historically most groups cultured their milk

in some way. The Masai even going so far as to milk the animal directly

into the gourds used for fermenting.

I think there is real wisdom here. One, the therapeutic qualities of

milk are at their highest within the first few hours from the animal and

drop off quite a bit after that. Two, for some, form makes a difference.

I drank raw cows milk kefir for years from grain fed holsteins without a

problem. I could never drink that same milk in uncultured form without

it causing problems.

All milk is not equal. And for most folks it is just a matter of

figuring out what they need to do in order to enjoy the delicious gift

of dairy products.

For me, if its cows milk and I'm drinking it straight, it needs to be

raw, grass fed and high brix (pronounced " bricks " ). If its cultured it

simply needs to be raw.

If it is any other animal, then it can be raw or cultured, largely grass

fed though not necessarily exclusively.

As for weaning, man does a lot of things after weaning that animals

cannot do. We cook our food for one. Were any of these doctors on an all

raw diet? Logical consistency would demand such.

Last night I opened a beer and poured it into a mug. Tasty, and good for

me too. Don't know any animals that can do that, but does that make it

bad?

You are reading this email because man has done something animals can't

do.

Next time someone says that to you, just recognize it for what it is - a

weak argument.

The *New* Ten Commandments

http://tinyurl.com/245sr

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

[Guest guest]

--- In , " jili424 " <jili424@c...>

wrote:

> And what do

> you say to those that point out only man drinks

> another's milk after weaning?

>

> Thanks for any and all thoughts!

> This site is a pleasure to read!

>

I know for a fact that, in our Braunvieh herds, the young adult bulls

will " steal " milk from the cows that are nursing.