Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 everyone i've ever served the stuffed peppers to loved them. sorry so short and no caps. nak kelly familyfavorites? Well I'm just ready to give up on my family!!! I've been trying at least one NT recipe each week...and so far I've had disastrous results..*L* I made All Day Beef Stew with some grassfed angus...my husband said it tasted like canned cat food smells. ???????? (I thought it was quite yummy) They all hated kefirized apple juice (I " ll admit I wasn't crazy about it) They all hated kefiriezed milk.... (I've grown quite fond of kefir...) (I whined to Katja about this already...sorryfor the repeat friend!) My son, husband and I love the crispy almonds (though I think I prefer the texture before the soaking/crisping process) I don't want to get into the sweets and desserts too much because I have a hard time with sugar..meaning I can't stop eating it....I prefer not to have it around. Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went over well? Or not so well? I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Marie, Don't give up yet! What does your family LOVE to eat? Perhaps we can help you NT-ize some of the stuff they like already (non-sweet stuff) to ease them into it. Kefir is DEFINITELY an acquired taste. My husband won't eat any of the raw dairy I get, but then he doesn't really eat much dairy anyway. some things most everyone likes: guacamole with homemade tortilla chips (or good quality store-bought) lamb shishkebobs grassfed hamburgers with all the trimmings (I leave out the buns, however) homemade mayo homemade catsup homemade ranch dressing (mayo, buttermilk, salt, thyme, and a bit of vinegar) lactofermented salsa homemade granola (much better than cheerios) fruit smoothies (I make mine with banana, frozen berries, raw egg yolks, kefir, honey, coconut milk, and coconut oil--a delicious nutritional powerhouse, IMO) Chicken or seafood curries over rice You should try to improve the quality of the ingredients (grassfed, raw, organic, etc.) before introducing new items like cultured dairy and fermented veggies. HTH, familyfavorites? > Well I'm just ready to give up on my family!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Marie, I've had a bit of hard time here too. I bribed the kids to try the High Enzyme Salad and 2 of them liked it! My very cautious 11yo finally tried the mayo (he's afraid of raw eggs) They all love the Béarnaise, yoghurt herb bread and biscuits made with the yoghurt dough. In order to get my dh to at least try the kefir I added a bit of almond extract and honey and whipped it up. He still didn't like it. I've sprouted seeds to use in things and those didn't go over big nor did the crispy nuts or pepitas. I can't think off-hand what else I've tried but I'll just keep plugging away. The kids do like the yoghurt made into smoothies but dh won't touch those either. Oh and the sauerkraut. It turned out too salty to my liking but I may try again using less salt. I would love to try some of the fermented veggies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 hee. have i mentioned my new " cereal " to the list yet? it might not appeal to cheerio-lovers, but it's a fabulous granola replacement (especially since granola is unhealthy unless you soak the grain, and even then, gluten is evil.) i just coarse-chop almonds, and mix that up with coconut and raisins (or whatever, cranberries...), stir in enough warmed coconut oil to coat it well (add a bit of honey if you need to), pop it in the oven at 350 long enough to toast it, and voila! better yet, it never gets soggy in milk! our current family favorite is " cheeseburgers " - and so easy! i just take ground beef, brown it, with bacon fat sometimes - yum! - add toss in onions and mushrooms, a bit of salt and pepper, and at the very end melt some cheese all over it. no bun, but we do eat it with ketchup i still think that the best way to go is to take your family's currently existing favorite meals and NT-ize them. (marie, bring some with on friday when you come by and we can do it together!) -katja At 10:38 AM 6/14/2004, you wrote: >Well I'm just ready to give up on my family!!! >I've been trying at least one NT recipe each week...and so far I've had >disastrous results..*L* >I made All Day Beef Stew with some grassfed angus...my husband said it >tasted like canned cat food smells. ???????? (I thought it was quite yummy) >They all hated kefirized apple juice (I " ll admit I wasn't crazy about it) >They all hated kefiriezed milk.... (I've grown quite fond of kefir...) >(I whined to Katja about this already...sorryfor the repeat friend!) >My son, husband and I love the crispy almonds (though I think I prefer the >texture before the soaking/crisping process) >I don't want to get into the sweets and desserts too much because I have a >hard time with sugar..meaning I can't stop eating it....I prefer not to >have it around. >Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went >over well? Or not so well? >I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... > >Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 oh, rice and cheese: ya know, our family replacement for mac and cheese is cauliflower and cheese! just boild the cauliflower like normal, then use a potato masher to make it smallish (that will sort of " chop " it up, not actually mash it), then add cheese and toss it under the broiler for a moment...you'd be surprise at the great pasta imitation cauliflower does! -katja At 12:53 PM 6/14/2004, you wrote: >: >My husband LOVES raw dairy, and LOVES the whole organic milk we get when >we can't get raw...he loves the homeade butter, and even ate kefir cream >cheese once and liked it. When he was a kid they NEVER drank real milk >unless they were visiting family. They drank the skim powdered >stuff. Real whole milk, and even better, the raw stuff just makes him giddy. > >My family loves macaroni and cheese (homeade not box), but we're not >eating pasta, so I've been making rice and cheese... >I cant' think of anything else off the top of my head. >They love enchiladas, and I think if I find corn tortillas I can make that >work too. >Thank you for the suggestions in your reply! >marie > > Re: familyfavorites? > > > Marie, > > Don't give up yet! What does your family LOVE to eat? Perhaps we can help > you NT-ize some of the stuff they like already (non-sweet stuff) to ease > them into it. Kefir is DEFINITELY an acquired taste. My husband won't eat > any of the raw dairy I get, but then he doesn't really eat much dairy > anyway. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 : My husband LOVES raw dairy, and LOVES the whole organic milk we get when we can't get raw...he loves the homeade butter, and even ate kefir cream cheese once and liked it. When he was a kid they NEVER drank real milk unless they were visiting family. They drank the skim powdered stuff. Real whole milk, and even better, the raw stuff just makes him giddy. My family loves macaroni and cheese (homeade not box), but we're not eating pasta, so I've been making rice and cheese... I cant' think of anything else off the top of my head. They love enchiladas, and I think if I find corn tortillas I can make that work too. Thank you for the suggestions in your reply! marie Re: familyfavorites? Marie, Don't give up yet! What does your family LOVE to eat? Perhaps we can help you NT-ize some of the stuff they like already (non-sweet stuff) to ease them into it. Kefir is DEFINITELY an acquired taste. My husband won't eat any of the raw dairy I get, but then he doesn't really eat much dairy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 : Oops, didn't see the bottom part of your message. We had grassfed burgers with southwestern seasoning on Saturday and they were popular except with my 3 year old who hates hamburger in any form.. They love the raw dairy and raw butter...and they've not tried any fermented veggies. I'm new to all of this....Katja got me started a couple of months ago.... Marie You should try to improve the quality of the ingredients (grassfed, raw, organic, etc.) before introducing new items like cultured dairy and fermented veggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 thanks kelly Re: familyfavorites? everyone i've ever served the stuffed peppers to loved them. sorry so short and no caps. nak kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 I have the recipe written down...it's next on my list to spring on the fam..*L* My kids are BIG cereal fanatics..but they only really eat Cheerios and Kix...this will be something new that's for sure....I can almost smell it now..*L* WE do eat cheeseburgers quite often...the grassfed ones were SO yummy.. Marie Re: familyfavorites? hee. have i mentioned my new " cereal " to the list yet? it might not appeal to cheerio-lovers, but it's a fabulous granola replacement (especially since granola is unhealthy unless you soak the grain, and even then, gluten is evil.) i just coarse-chop almonds, and mix that up with coconut and raisins (or whatever, cranberries...), stir in enough warmed coconut oil to coat it well (add a bit of honey if you need to), pop it in the oven at 350 long enough to toast it, and voila! better yet, it never gets soggy in milk! our current family favorite is " cheeseburgers " - and so easy! i just take ground beef, brown it, with bacon fat sometimes - yum! - add toss in onions and mushrooms, a bit of salt and pepper, and at the very end melt some cheese all over it. no bun, but we do eat it with ketchup i still think that the best way to go is to take your family's currently existing favorite meals and NT-ize them. (marie, bring some with on friday when you come by and we can do it together!) -katja At 10:38 AM 6/14/2004, you wrote: >Well I'm just ready to give up on my family!!! >I've been trying at least one NT recipe each week...and so far I've had >disastrous results..*L* >I made All Day Beef Stew with some grassfed angus...my husband said it >tasted like canned cat food smells. ???????? (I thought it was quite yummy) >They all hated kefirized apple juice (I " ll admit I wasn't crazy about it) >They all hated kefiriezed milk.... (I've grown quite fond of kefir...) >(I whined to Katja about this already...sorryfor the repeat friend!) >My son, husband and I love the crispy almonds (though I think I prefer the >texture before the soaking/crisping process) >I don't want to get into the sweets and desserts too much because I have a >hard time with sugar..meaning I can't stop eating it....I prefer not to >have it around. >Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went >over well? Or not so well? >I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... > >Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 >Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went over well? Or not so well? > I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... > > Marie My family loves roast chicken, and chicken soup. I do use long-simmered broth, but I freeze it and use it with fresher meat (if you cook meat too long in broth it does get mushy). My Mom cooked more or less NT when we were growing up, and to me it just seems like " real food " . I cook for a lot of people, and if I stick to more " normal " stuff (like, no chicken feet floating in the bowls) most people call it " gourmet " cooking. Absolutely no one complains about rare steak and baked potatoes, or a good salad, or homebaked cookies. One thing everyone seems to like: Tzaziki sauce! There are tons of recipes, but I just mix some kefir (or yogurt) with some chopped cucumbers, dried dill (or better, fresh!), squeezed garlic, salt, and cayenne to taste. Someone said " chicken is just an excuse to eat tzaziki! " . No one liked kefir until I discovered kefiili. But the kefiili sour cream is the favorite ... people (even guests) get addicted to that stuff. No one liked kimchi until I made it " dill " flavored, which tastes like dill pickles kind of and people can relate to that. But a lot of it is learning how to cook .... a lot of things I made at first really were pretty awful from a culinary standpoint. Watching cooking shows helps! -- Heidi Jean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Hi marie, My family doesn't like the taste of grass fed meat either. I just get good quality organic meat . One of our current favorites is pot roast. I get a chuck roast (3-4lb) and cook it with water, 1/2 cup organic red wine, 2tbs soy sauce, 2tsp wporsteshire sauce and one whole peeled onion. Cook about 4 hours or until tender. I serve it with boiled potatoes and carrots. Then I use the leftover liquid from cooking the pot roast and use it to make au gratin potatoes the next day. Yummy! Irene At 07:38 AM 6/14/04, you wrote: >Well I'm just ready to give up on my family!!! >I've been trying at least one NT recipe each week...and so far I've had >disastrous results..*L* >I made All Day Beef Stew with some grassfed angus...my husband said it >tasted like canned cat food smells. ???????? (I thought it was quite yummy) >They all hated kefirized apple juice (I " ll admit I wasn't crazy about it) >They all hated kefiriezed milk.... (I've grown quite fond of kefir...) >(I whined to Katja about this already...sorryfor the repeat friend!) >My son, husband and I love the crispy almonds (though I think I prefer the >texture before the soaking/crisping process) >I don't want to get into the sweets and desserts too much because I have a >hard time with sugar..meaning I can't stop eating it....I prefer not to >have it around. >Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went >over well? Or not so well? >I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... > >Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Thanks .... Love all of this feedback! marie RE: familyfavorites? Marie, I've had a bit of hard time here too. I bribed the kids to try the High Enzyme Salad and 2 of them liked it! My very cautious 11yo finally tried the mayo (he's afraid of raw eggs) They all love the Béarnaise, yoghurt herb bread and biscuits made with the yoghurt dough. In order to get my dh to at least try the kefir I added a bit of almond extract and honey and whipped it up. He still didn't like it. I've sprouted seeds to use in things and those didn't go over big nor did the crispy nuts or pepitas. I can't think off-hand what else I've tried but I'll just keep plugging away. The kids do like the yoghurt made into smoothies but dh won't touch those either. Oh and the sauerkraut. It turned out too salty to my liking but I may try again using less salt. I would love to try some of the fermented veggies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 >Hi marie, >My family doesn't like the taste of grass fed meat either. I just get good >quality organic meat . One of our current favorites is pot roast. I get a >chuck roast (3-4lb) and cook it with water, 1/2 cup organic red wine, 2tbs >soy sauce, 2tsp wporsteshire sauce and one whole peeled onion. Cook about 4 >hours or until tender. I serve it with boiled potatoes and carrots. Then I >use the leftover liquid from cooking the pot roast and use it to make au >gratin potatoes the next day. Yummy! >Irene I've heard people say they " don't like grass fed meat " and I think they must be getting something very different from what we get! I've fed our beef to lots of people, and I give steaks away a lot, and the universal feedback is something like " that is the best and most tender steak I've ever eaten! " That is not from folks who care a bit about their health! I think if grass fed beef tastes bad it probably has not been handled correctly, or aged right. When I've bought " grass fed " from the supermarket (expensive!) it wasn't very good at all ... I think maybe they don't age it? It was tough and dry. The current favorite, BTW, is smoked roast beef. I put a round roast in the water smoker, after rubbing it with salt, garlic, and pepper. Let it roast until the internal temp was 140 or so, then cooled it and sliced it thin, frozen into " sandwich size " chunks. I chop these into salads too, for lunch. The pot roast sounds great too, I'll have to try that one. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 The only grass fed meat I've had is the New Zealand meat from Whole foods. It wasn't tough or dry it just tasted gamey. Sort of like eating lamb which we don't like either. I don't have another source right now to try. I checked into other sources but I would have to buy a quarter of a cow and not just one steak so I didn't want to risk having a freezer full of meat my family won't eat. Irene At 12:39 AM 6/15/04, you wrote: > > >Hi marie, > >My family doesn't like the taste of grass fed meat either. I just get good > >quality organic meat . One of our current favorites is pot roast. I get a > >chuck roast (3-4lb) and cook it with water, 1/2 cup organic red wine, 2tbs > >soy sauce, 2tsp wporsteshire sauce and one whole peeled onion. Cook about 4 > >hours or until tender. I serve it with boiled potatoes and carrots. Then I > >use the leftover liquid from cooking the pot roast and use it to make au > >gratin potatoes the next day. Yummy! > >Irene > >I've heard people say they " don't like grass fed meat " and I think >they must be getting something very different from what we >get! I've fed our beef to lots of people, and I give steaks >away a lot, and the universal feedback is something like " that is >the best and most tender steak I've ever eaten! " That is not from >folks who care a bit about their health! I think if grass fed beef >tastes bad it probably has not been handled correctly, or aged right. >When I've bought " grass fed " from the supermarket (expensive!) it wasn't >very good at all ... I think maybe they don't age it? It was tough >and dry. > >The current favorite, BTW, is smoked roast beef. I put a round >roast in the water smoker, after rubbing it with salt, garlic, and >pepper. Let it roast until the internal temp was 140 or so, then cooled >it and sliced it thin, frozen into " sandwich size " chunks. I chop >these into salads too, for lunch. The pot roast sounds great too, >I'll have to try that one. > >-- Heidi Jean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Thanks for your input....I'm keeping a list of things that my work for us... Marie Re: familyfavorites? >Anyway...what meals or snacks did you try out on your family that went over well? Or not so well? > I'm waiting next for the squawks about the absence of cheerios.... > > Marie My family loves roast chicken, and chicken soup. I do use long-simmered broth, but I freeze it and use it with fresher meat (if you cook meat too long in broth it does get mushy). My Mom cooked more or less NT when we were growing up, and to me it just seems like " real food " . I cook for a lot of people, and if I stick to more " normal " stuff (like, no chicken feet floating in the bowls) most people call it " gourmet " cooking. Absolutely no one complains about rare steak and baked potatoes, or a good salad, or homebaked cookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 I think the reason my dh didn't like the stew is A. because the meat marinated in red wine for 24 hours, and B. it had tomatoes in it. Marie Re: familyfavorites? >Hi marie, >My family doesn't like the taste of grass fed meat either. I just get good >quality organic meat . One of our current favorites is pot roast. I get a >chuck roast (3-4lb) and cook it with water, 1/2 cup organic red wine, 2tbs >soy sauce, 2tsp wporsteshire sauce and one whole peeled onion. Cook about 4 >hours or until tender. I serve it with boiled potatoes and carrots. Then I >use the leftover liquid from cooking the pot roast and use it to make au >gratin potatoes the next day. Yummy! >Irene I've heard people say they " don't like grass fed meat " and I think they must be getting something very different from what we get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Thanks Irene..! Marie Re: familyfavorites? Hi marie, My family doesn't like the taste of grass fed meat either. I just get good quality organic meat . One of our current favorites is pot roast. I get a chuck roast (3-4lb) and cook it with water, 1/2 cup organic red wine, 2tbs soy sauce, 2tsp wporsteshire sauce and one whole peeled onion. Cook about 4 hours or until tender. I serve it with boiled potatoes and carrots. Then I use the leftover liquid from cooking the pot roast and use it to make au gratin potatoes the next day. Yummy! Irene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 >The only grass fed meat I've had is the New Zealand meat from Whole foods. >It wasn't tough or dry it just tasted gamey. Sort of like eating lamb which >we don't like either. I don't have another source right now to try. I >checked into other sources but I would have to buy a quarter of a cow and >not just one steak so I didn't want to risk having a freezer full of meat >my family won't eat. > >Irene The " gamey " taste is often from the animal not being processed correctlly ... if it gets frightened it produces adrenaline which makes the meat taste off. Our beef has never tasted like that! I was there when the last animal was killed and they were VERY careful not to frighten the steer. I do buy in bulk ... it's a lot cheaper that way, and I have more control over what I get. If there is someone near you who can share some for you to try that is the best bet. Where in the country are you located? -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 LOL. I live in the exotic country of southern California! But I don't know anyone around here who is buying grass fed meat. Most folks think I am a bit strange to drive an hour one way to spend $4 per quart for raw milk. Irene At 02:05 PM 6/15/04, you wrote: > > >The only grass fed meat I've had is the New Zealand meat from Whole foods. > >It wasn't tough or dry it just tasted gamey. Sort of like eating lamb which > >we don't like either. I don't have another source right now to try. I > >checked into other sources but I would have to buy a quarter of a cow and > >not just one steak so I didn't want to risk having a freezer full of meat > >my family won't eat. > > > >Irene > >The " gamey " taste is often from the animal not being processed correctlly ... >if it gets frightened it produces adrenaline which makes the meat taste >off. Our beef has never tasted like that! I was there when the last animal >was killed and they were VERY careful not to frighten the steer. > >I do buy in bulk ... it's a lot cheaper that way, and I have more control >over what I get. If there is someone near you who can share some >for you to try that is the best bet. Where in the country are you located? > >-- Heidi Jean > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 >LOL. I live in the exotic country of southern California! But I don't know >anyone around here who is buying grass fed meat. Most folks think I am a >bit strange to drive an hour one way to spend $4 per quart for raw milk. >Irene Well shoot, there are lots of farmers in California. And folks on this list too. Any southern Californians listening? (I'm originally from Central LA, and glad I'm not there now, I'm in Washington State). -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 There are lots of famers in California, but it seems that all the grass fed beef farmers are in northern california. And they also only seem to sell in bulk. It has been a while, 6 months or more since I did any research. We've been moving etc. I can give it another try and see if anything new comes up. I would really feel better using grass fed. BTW I live about 70 miles outside LA in the Mojave. I'd rather be in Washington too! Especially now when the temperatures are over 100. Irene At 04:46 PM 6/15/04, you wrote: > > >LOL. I live in the exotic country of southern California! But I don't know > >anyone around here who is buying grass fed meat. Most folks think I am a > >bit strange to drive an hour one way to spend $4 per quart for raw milk. > >Irene > >Well shoot, there are lots of farmers in California. And >folks on this list too. Any southern Californians listening? >(I'm originally from Central LA, and glad I'm not there now, >I'm in Washington State). > >-- Heidi Jean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 >There are lots of famers in California, but it seems that all the grass fed >beef farmers are in northern california. And they also only seem to sell in >bulk. It has been a while, 6 months or more since I did any research. We've >been moving etc. I can give it another try and see if anything new comes >up. I would really feel better using grass fed. Well, I had to drive 4 hours to get my beef ... with a trailer because it was too heavy for a car. So I'm not saying it's easy! It was worth it though. Buying in bulk is really the only way to go though ... it is just too pricey to get good beef otherwise. >BTW I live about 70 miles outside LA in the Mojave. I'd rather be in >Washington too! Especially now when the temperatures are over 100. Ouch. We used to go out to the desert rock hunting. I never could adapt to that, tho some folks love it, I guess. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 It is more like a 6 hour drive but doable I suppose, and I would have to rent a truck or something. But it is a lot to do for a freezer full of beef that my family very possibly won't eat. Ouch! I would prefer to get a smaller portion to try before I go to all that trouble. Irene At 11:05 AM 6/17/04, you wrote: > > >There are lots of famers in California, but it seems that all the grass fed > >beef farmers are in northern california. And they also only seem to sell in > >bulk. It has been a while, 6 months or more since I did any research. We've > >been moving etc. I can give it another try and see if anything new comes > >up. I would really feel better using grass fed. > >Well, I had to drive 4 hours to get my beef ... with a trailer because it was >too heavy for a car. So I'm not saying it's easy! It was worth it though. >Buying in bulk is really the only way to go though ... it is just too >pricey to >get good beef otherwise. > > >BTW I live about 70 miles outside LA in the Mojave. I'd rather be in > >Washington too! Especially now when the temperatures are over 100. > >Ouch. We used to go out to the desert rock hunting. I never could adapt >to that, tho some folks love it, I guess. > >-- Heidi Jean > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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