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Hi! I know this is of the topic of vaccinations, but I will make it short.

:)

I attempted relactation 3 months after I stopped BFing my son. I saw a

lactaction counselor who recommended I take the herbs Alfalfa and Fenugreek.

Fenugreek can sometimes HELP you get milk and the Alfalfa can INCREASE it.

(Fenugreek also has some side effects, stomach ache and breast

enlargement.) Alfalfa is healthful even if you are not attempting to

relactate.

Relactation did not work for me, as my son refused to nurse at the breast

after 3 months went by. But I did produce small amounts of milk, 2-3 oz at

a pumping session.

I wish the best of luck in relactation! I know it is hard! :)

P.

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The woman at my health food store sold me some natural tea from Traditional

Medicinals called Mother's Milk herb tea to increase milk suplly but so far

have had no problems. Some times i feel like a surplus for milk :>)

Dawn

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> I don't know how well it works if your'e starting from scratch but

Alfalfa

tabs are good to increase milk supply, cows benefit from it too, it's

lucerne I think. Worth a try anyhow -- no hormones involved.

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The woman at my health food store sold me some natural tea from Traditional

Medicinals called Mother's Milk herb tea to increase milk suplly but so far

have had no problems. Some times i feel like a surplus for milk :>)

Dawn

milk supply

> From: <janemacross@...>

>

> I don't know how well it works if your'e starting from scratch but Alfalfa

tabs are good to increase milk supply, cows benefit from it too, it's

lucerne I think. Worth a try anyhow -- no hormones involved.

> Jane

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In a message dated 6/7/99 9:38:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tobin@...

writes:

<< The woman at my health food store sold me some natural tea from Traditional

Medicinals called Mother's Milk herb tea to increase milk suplly but so far

have had no problems. Some times i feel like a surplus for milk :>) >>

I LOVED Mother's Milk tea. Drank it often during our nursing years. Saved a

package in our memories book!

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how old is your daughter now? ( /me rummages around in the bag of tricks...)

i'm so sorry for your story - this sounds so sad. but as mothers, we all

have things with which we hurt ourselves - if it wasn't this, it'd be some

other regret. just do your best to be kind!

-katja

At 03:19 PM 6/18/2004, you wrote:

>So how DOES one increase their milk supply, given they origionally had

>enough (more than enough LOL) but gave into fear and introdused

> " suplimentary " bottles, which soon became too frequent. I was pumping to

>keep the suply up trying to build up a supply of my in the freezer so we

>could do without formula then my husband (who apparently does not have the

>words " honey, what's this? " in his vocabulary *sigh*) found part of the

>pump and threw it out not knowing what it was. By the time we could afford

>even the cheapest pump my supply had greatly deminished. It's been 2

>months and my supply was copius before that (till she hit a growth spurt

>which at 9 pm seemed like I'd lost my milk and my baby is starving) threw

>me right back to first baby. I was 19 and having a hard time getting him

>latched on, the nurses were very mean told me I couldn't even feed a baby

>and would only give me 5 minutes to get the hang of it then he'd get a

>bottle. Young and intimidated I made one last attempt and

> called the lactation specilist. Her advice... " It's really not that bad

> to give him formula. " Yeah thanks for the help. No one would help me and

> they convinced me I was starving my child so I gave in and gave him

> formula, and you know, I actually believed the hooey they gave me about

> " not being able " to breastfeed. I would have been fine if I just had a

> little support! Anyway, so out of fear that I was again unable to feed my

> baby (even though at 6 weeks of exclusive breastfeeding she was fat,

> happy and very healthy, already holding head up, I can't believe I was so

> stupid) dh ran out for formula and I am now in the mess I'm in now. I

> want to get her off the aweful formula (we can't afford to buy the

> makings of NT formula, I wish we could but we really honestly can't, my

> husband is right now looking into bankruptsy, the whole family is now

> paying for my husband and I's wild (and stupid) youth. *shakes head*) so

> I want desperatly to get her off the commercial garbage. She still nurses

> but only if I'm full and the milks free flowing, when it''s not she

> refuses and will scream hystericlly until I give her a bottle. We do have

> a pump now but I'm afraid if I pump there'll be less in there when I try

> to nurse her and by the time I could pump enough to even fill a nursing

> aide (which I am looking for) she wont nurse at all. Please don't judge

> me too harshly, I have enough bruises from kicking myself already, just

> please tell me if you have any advice on how to improve my supply. I

> would give my right leg to fix this!

>

>

>Mrs. Siemens

>

>Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

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>unto salvation.... "

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Ok, first, you have to relax and not blame yourself. Being tense

only dries up the milk supply. I learned that from sad experience.

Second, I don't know what bottles you are using, but I suggest the

platex ones that have the nipples very similiar to the shape of a

breast nipple. Mind you, there may be better bottles on the market

since it's been years since I had babies. Third, there are herbal

remedies that will slightly help increase your milk supply. I'd

tell you what they are (again it's been years) but the brain is

going, and my herbal books are already packed up and stashed down

deep in a pile. If you can't afford a pump, hand express the milk.

Yeah, it takes more time, but do it anyway. My doula had me pumping

every 90 minutes for 2 weeks trying to rebuild my supply. In

hindsight, my worst enemy was my deep grieving for my friend who

committed suicide. Stay consistant with the expressing, and your

supply should build back up. Baby may fuss for you because to be

blunt, bottles are a heck of a lot easier to get food out of if you

have a hungry yummy than boobies are. If you can try comfort

nursing (if you don't mind being a human pacifier) while she's calm

and cuddly, that will help too. And most importantly, don't wait

until she's ravenous. If she's awake and semi-near feeding time,

cuddle her, offer to nurse, and enjoy the snuggles. It's best if

you can get her totally away from the bottles while trying to re-

build your supply so she doesn't squawk for you about the difficulty

of nursing.

Best of luck to you and your little one!

> So how DOES one increase their milk supply, given they origionally

had enough (more than enough LOL) but gave into fear and

introdused " suplimentary " bottles, which soon became too frequent. I

was pumping to keep the suply up trying to build up a supply of my

in the freezer so we could do without formula then my husband (who

apparently does not have the words " honey, what's this? " in his

vocabulary *sigh*) found part of the pump and threw it out not

knowing what it was. By the time we could afford even the cheapest

pump my supply had greatly deminished. It's been 2 months and my

supply was copius before that (till she hit a growth spurt which at

9 pm seemed like I'd lost my milk and my baby is starving) threw me

right back to first baby. I was 19 and having a hard time getting

him latched on, the nurses were very mean told me I couldn't even

feed a baby and would only give me 5 minutes to get the hang of it

then he'd get a bottle. Young and intimidated I made one last

attempt and

> called the lactation specilist. Her advice... " It's really not

that bad to give him formula. " Yeah thanks for the help. No one

would help me and they convinced me I was starving my child so I

gave in and gave him formula, and you know, I actually believed the

hooey they gave me about " not being able " to breastfeed. I would

have been fine if I just had a little support! Anyway, so out of

fear that I was again unable to feed my baby (even though at 6 weeks

of exclusive breastfeeding she was fat, happy and very healthy,

already holding head up, I can't believe I was so stupid) dh ran out

for formula and I am now in the mess I'm in now. I want to get her

off the aweful formula (we can't afford to buy the makings of NT

formula, I wish we could but we really honestly can't, my husband is

right now looking into bankruptsy, the whole family is now paying

for my husband and I's wild (and stupid) youth. *shakes head*) so I

want desperatly to get her off the commercial garbage. She still

nurses

> but only if I'm full and the milks free flowing, when it''s not

she refuses and will scream hystericlly until I give her a bottle.

We do have a pump now but I'm afraid if I pump there'll be less in

there when I try to nurse her and by the time I could pump enough to

even fill a nursing aide (which I am looking for) she wont nurse at

all. Please don't judge me too harshly, I have enough bruises from

kicking myself already, just please tell me if you have any advice

on how to improve my supply. I would give my right leg to fix this!

>

>

> Mrs. Siemens

>

> Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

>

> " For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power

of God unto salvation.... "

> -Romans 1:16a-

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> Please don't judge me too harshly

No judgment, you're exactly the kind of woman I was talking about when

I said so many women don't get support--in your case, ANY support of

any kind. It's also typical of the treatment of teen mothers. Do you

know about http://www.girl-mom.com/ ? You may like it there. Or you may

not, but you'll find all kinds of moms who've had em young there

(including women who are now no longer teens).

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>If she's awake and semi-near feeding time,

>cuddle her, offer to nurse, and enjoy the snuggles. It's best if

>you can get her totally away from the bottles while trying to re-

>build your supply so she doesn't squawk for you about the difficulty

>of nursing.

I'll also add what a doc told me: don't STOP nursing out of

frustration. He said that even if you only get two feedings

in a day, THAT will give the baby antibodies and other good

stuff that the baby needs. I never could produce enough

milk to feed the kids, but I kept feeding them what I could

for as long as I could, and they turned out fine. Breastfeeding

isn't just about nutrition: a lot of it is about passing along

immunities.

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I hope this doesn't sound too cruel, but since you know it's in her

best interest, how about ditching the bottles? When she is hungry

and won't nurse, you can give her expressed milk (or formula) with a

medicine dropper or spoon.

If at all possible, get someone else to take care of everything else

and have a " nursing weekend " where you just relax with dd and offer

her the breast constantly. The more often she nurses, the better for

your supply.

Finally, you could consider herbal remedies or foods that are known

to increase milk supply. There is a long list of herbs and drugs at

http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/milksupply/herbal_galactagogue.html

You can easily find plenty of unofficial remedies on the internet,

too. I've heard that ice cream works. :-)

Good luck!

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I would say first and foremost what your baby needs is your love,

and sounds like she has that--all the rest is frosting on the cake!

But if you wanted to increase your milk supply, here are some things

to consider:

Some of us are more sensitive than others to foods, herbs,

medicines, etc. that may dry our milk or increase production. I am

one of those people! After also being told I wasn't producing

enough I began really monitoring that stuff. I found that garlic,

echinacea, claritin, caffeine in any form all dried me up, ranging

from slight to excessive.

I avoided anything diuretic--so for instance when I read that

plantains (the fruit not the herb) were mildly diuretic, I

eliminated them.

Barley always unleashed a flood gate of milk production for me, as

did any gluten containing grain (like wheat, but for other reasons I

was avoiding wheat). I also found that fennel produced lots of milk

too.

If you don't eat grains, you can soak the barley overnight in

water, or cook 1 cup of barley in 6-8 cups of water for a half hour,

throw out the barley in either case and drink only the water.

The how to's about getting your daughter to be patient for the milk

production to come up...that might be trickier and obviously it's

important to follow your heart on this. What is the benefit of

moving toward full time nursing if she spends 50% more time per day

crying? This is a joint effort, it's not just *you* making the

breastfeeding work, our babies work with us (or not). So, as our

midwife would say, " Talk with your baby, tell her what you're trying

to do, and that you need her help. " Be flexible, and if it isn't

going to work for *both of you* then you've done all any mother can

do, which is to do your best.

You might want to try nursing laying down, see if that helps relax

you more so it increases your flow. There may be a process of a

couple days where her increase in sucking will increase your flow.

During this time it is imperative that you EAT MORE and DRINK MORE,

no ifs, ands, or buts. I found myself with cravings for meat fat

and chicken skin when I was nursing. (I would look at my husband's

pile of chicken skin when we were eating dinner and grab it,

saying, " You weren't going to eat that you were? " )

If you have any negative feelings about the process of milk letting

down, dread getting your shirts wet, find let down painful, those

feelings will need to be worked with, preferably with a

compassionate woman who has breast fed before. (I say that because

I totally had that struggle, I dreaded let down, found it mildly

painful, and was completely embarrassed when my tops would get wet

from milk--this directly effected my let down, and my milk

production dropped!)

Also...we had a financial catastrophe occur when my daughter was

about 8 months old and it nearly dried up my milk. Whatever your

struggles right now, your anxieties, as much as you can when you are

nursing your babe relax, pray (if you do that), think about clouds,

nature, think about feeding your babe pure love, or don't think at

all, meditate, use that as a time to clear your mind. I remember

calling an LLL leader and telling her our situation and she said

very tactly, " If you want to continue breastfeeding you are going to

have to find a way to be at peace so you can continue to make

milk. " It took me a couple of days, and yes, during that time my

baby spent more time at the breast sucking and sucking and sucking.

Also, contrary to what some literature says, you do not need to

change breasts every 10-15 minutes! There is a rich hind milk that

comes from nursing upwards of 30-90 minutes off one breast and it is

very nourishing for babies!

Hope this is helpful, Leann

> >So how DOES one increase their milk supply, given they

origionally had

> >enough (more than enough LOL) but gave into fear and introdused

> > " suplimentary " bottles, which soon became too frequent. I was

pumping to

> >keep the suply up trying to build up a supply of my in the

freezer so we

> >could do without formula then my husband (who apparently does not

have the

> >words " honey, what's this? " in his vocabulary *sigh*) found part

of the

> >pump and threw it out not knowing what it was. By the time we

could afford

> >even the cheapest pump my supply had greatly deminished. It's

been 2

> >months and my supply was copius before that (till she hit a

growth spurt

> >which at 9 pm seemed like I'd lost my milk and my baby is

starving) threw

> >me right back to first baby. I was 19 and having a hard time

getting him

> >latched on, the nurses were very mean told me I couldn't even

feed a baby

> >and would only give me 5 minutes to get the hang of it then he'd

get a

> >bottle. Young and intimidated I made one last attempt and

> > called the lactation specilist. Her advice... " It's really not

that bad

> > to give him formula. " Yeah thanks for the help. No one would

help me and

> > they convinced me I was starving my child so I gave in and gave

him

> > formula, and you know, I actually believed the hooey they gave

me about

> > " not being able " to breastfeed. I would have been fine if I just

had a

> > little support! Anyway, so out of fear that I was again unable

to feed my

> > baby (even though at 6 weeks of exclusive breastfeeding she was

fat,

> > happy and very healthy, already holding head up, I can't believe

I was so

> > stupid) dh ran out for formula and I am now in the mess I'm in

now. I

> > want to get her off the aweful formula (we can't afford to buy

the

> > makings of NT formula, I wish we could but we really honestly

can't, my

> > husband is right now looking into bankruptsy, the whole family

is now

> > paying for my husband and I's wild (and stupid) youth. *shakes

head*) so

> > I want desperatly to get her off the commercial garbage. She

still nurses

> > but only if I'm full and the milks free flowing, when it''s not

she

> > refuses and will scream hystericlly until I give her a bottle.

We do have

> > a pump now but I'm afraid if I pump there'll be less in there

when I try

> > to nurse her and by the time I could pump enough to even fill a

nursing

> > aide (which I am looking for) she wont nurse at all. Please

don't judge

> > me too harshly, I have enough bruises from kicking myself

already, just

> > please tell me if you have any advice on how to improve my

supply. I

> > would give my right leg to fix this!

> >

> >

> >Mrs. Siemens

> >

> >Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

> >

> > " For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the

power of God

> >unto salvation.... "

> >-Romans 1:16a-

> >

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I'm no expert. in fact, i might be wrong.

but if i were in your shoes, i would nurse, nurse, nurse. the more you

nurse the more you stimulate milk production.

i would also eat, drink, drink, eat, drink, and drink some more.

and i think with all that nursing going on i would try to spend that time

praying, meditating, relaxing, thanking God for my beautiful baby.

again, and i might be wrong here, at 9 mo. a baby probably needs food.

i don't know what to feed a 9 mo. old baby as I'm sure i did it wrong.

but I'm thinking only breast milk at 9 mo. old might not be enough.

, i truly wish you all the best.....:-)

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Siemens

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So how DOES one increase their milk supply, given they origionally had

enough (more than enough LOL) but gave into fear and introdused

" suplimentary " bottles, which soon became too frequent. I was pumping to

keep the suply up trying to build up a supply of my in the freezer so we

could do without formula then my husband (who apparently does not have

the words " honey, what's this? " in his vocabulary *sigh*) found part of

the pump and threw it out not knowing what it was. By the time we could

afford even the cheapest pump my supply had greatly deminished. It's been

2 months and my supply was copius before that (till she hit a growth

spurt which at 9 pm seemed like I'd lost my milk and my baby is starving)

threw me right back to first baby. I was 19 and having a hard time

getting him latched on, the nurses were very mean told me I couldn't even

feed a baby and would only give me 5 minutes to get the hang of it then

he'd get a bottle. Young and intimidated I made one last attempt and

called the lactation specilist. Her advice... " It's really not that bad to

give him formula. " Yeah thanks for the help. No one would help me and

they convinced me I was starving my child so I gave in and gave him

formula, and you know, I actually believed the hooey they gave me about

" not being able " to breastfeed. I would have been fine if I just had a

little support! Anyway, so out of fear that I was again unable to feed my

baby (even though at 6 weeks of exclusive breastfeeding she was fat,

happy and very healthy, already holding head up, I can't believe I was so

stupid) dh ran out for formula and I am now in the mess I'm in now. I

want to get her off the aweful formula (we can't afford to buy the

makings of NT formula, I wish we could but we really honestly can't, my

husband is right now looking into bankruptsy, the whole family is now

paying for my husband and I's wild (and stupid) youth. *shakes head*) so

I want desperatly to get her off the commercial garbage. She still nurses

but only if I'm full and the milks free flowing, when it''s not she

refuses and will scream hystericlly until I give her a bottle. We do have

a pump now but I'm afraid if I pump there'll be less in there when I try

to nurse her and by the time I could pump enough to even fill a nursing

aide (which I am looking for) she wont nurse at all. Please don't judge

me too harshly, I have enough bruises from kicking myself already, just

please tell me if you have any advice on how to improve my supply. I

would give my right leg to fix this!

Mrs. Siemens

Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God

unto salvation.... "

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, I would first suggest calling your local La Leche League and

talk to a leader or go to a group. LLL Leaders have a great deal of

information and can help you increase your milk supply. You can call

1-800-LALECHE (US) to find a leader in your area. Next I can tell you

out of my own difficulty that if you want to increase your milk and

continue to nurse you can and will!! If you are willing to go the

extra step to increase your milk you will have more milk.

I have read the other suggesting and they are all great. One

suggestion might be to hold a warm wash cloth on your breast when you

arent as full to help increase your letdown.

You also mentioned that you feel empty, If you nurse and wait 15-20

mins youve already made more milk. You can switch from one berast to

the other and back to the first and there will be some milk. The more

you nurse/pump, the more milk you will have. You can nurse pump and

nurse again over and over. I pumped every hour and increased my milk

a ton.

The feeling of fullness can change also. I cant remeber the last time

I felt full. Its been more than six months. ( My son is 21m)But he is

still getting a good amount of milk. Until recently he was drinking

only from the breast and very little other liquids and always had wet

diapers even without fullness.

If you are still producing milk you have got a great chance of swing

back out of the formula trap. Call someone local for help, LeLeche

Leage has help me many times over. Good luck to you. Hang in there,

it is worth the effort.

, Mom to Robbie 21m, wife and friend to Mark

> but only if I'm full and the milks free flowing, when it''s not

she refuses and will scream hystericlly until I give her a bottle.

...... just please tell me if you have any advice on how to improve my

supply. I would give my right leg to fix this!

>

>

> Mrs. Siemens

>

> Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

>

> " For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power

of God unto salvation.... "

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and i might be wrong here, at 9 mo. a baby probably needs food.

I want to throw out that some babes have no interest in solids, even

right up to 1 year of age. I'm not saying all babies, but in our

culture there is such a *push* to get solids into babies at 3 months

that our gauge for when they are ready is probably a little damaged.

And then you will also find 6 month olds who will grab pieces of

cooked meat out of your hands and gnaw contendedly!

Leann

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> I want to throw out that some babes have no interest in solids, even

> right up to 1 year of age. I'm not saying all babies, but in our

> culture there is such a *push* to get solids into babies at 3 months

> that our gauge for when they are ready is probably a little damaged.

A good rule of thumb is not to even bother until 10 months, but if

you've got babies tearing food out of your hands, let them go for it.

:) Neither of my children were much interested in anything but boob

until they were very close to a year old.

Lynn S.

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Thank you so much for posting that site!

I'm in a very large mother's group (based on, but not exclusively,

attachment parenting - and we do playgroups, field trips, craft

circles, etc. etc.) and a few of us have been talking about how we

could reach out to teen moms who want to parent in a similar way but

are having difficulty finding support.

In fact, some of us are studying to become doulas with the same sort

of outreach program in mind - something we can hopefully get the

government to sponsor and pay for:-)

Again, thanks for the link - maybe i can find some local mamas there

who would be interested in getting to know our group.

a

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>

> No judgment, you're exactly the kind of woman I was talking about

when

> I said so many women don't get support--in your case, ANY support

of

> any kind. It's also typical of the treatment of teen mothers. Do

you

> know about http://www.girl-mom.com/ ? You may like it there. Or

you may

> not, but you'll find all kinds of moms who've had em young there

> (including women who are now no longer teens).

>

> Lynn S.

>

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> http://www.siprelle.com/

> http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/

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i couldn't agree more.

it's best to follow your child's cues. some babies show definite

interest at 5 months, others not until a year or more. that's just

the way they are.

rather than following random guidelines set up by a doctor god knows

when we should listen and watch our babies and let THEM be OUR

guides.

erica z

> and i might be wrong here, at 9 mo. a baby probably needs food.

>

>

> I want to throw out that some babes have no interest in solids,

even

> right up to 1 year of age. I'm not saying all babies, but in our

> culture there is such a *push* to get solids into babies at 3

months

> that our gauge for when they are ready is probably a little

damaged.

>

> And then you will also find 6 month olds who will grab pieces of

> cooked meat out of your hands and gnaw contendedly!

>

> Leann

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IIRC, in Adelle ' " Let's Have Healthy Children " she outlines a diet

for increasing milk supply that includes LOTS of liver, wheat germ, and raw

milk/egg protein shakes...she claims that even a statue would begin to

lactate if given this diet! As I have no children, I can't vouch for it

though.

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