for Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

i just want to thank you and congratulate for always keeping what you say

so very positive and above board. and always taking the high road; I've

never heard anything come out of your mouth that has 'attacked' anything

anyone has said...you have always turned it around and made it positive.

a function of your personality?

this is my FINAL email about all the stuff we have been talking about:

feminism, sex, etc.

i have felt 'attacked'. not just disagreed with but 'attacked'.

maybe i brought it on myself; obviously i must have said some things that

made people feel uncomfortable or like i was judging them or threatening

them (emotionally) in some way or attacking them; and that was NOT at all

my intent and I'm sorry if i was misinterpreted that way. saying how *I*

feel, into the air, was NOT meant for anyone to take it in such a way

that i was judging anyone or foisting my views on anyone.

i must have gotten carried away expressing my thoughts, feelings and

beliefs when i should have been cleaning.

and some of you were offended by these thoughts, feelings and beliefs.

and yet they were ONLY THAT: thoughts, feelings and beliefs, NOT

intending to disagree with anyone, offend anyone, threaten anyone

emotionally or whatever.

and if i did do that, or if i APPEARED to do that, not having intended

to, i profusely apologize and sincerely ask your forgiveness!!

now, just PLEASE let me feel free to be me, in my thoughts, feelings and

beliefs and NOT feel like some kind of freak like i have been made to

feel (except by Heidi), and i will make every attempt to do the same with

all of you.

hey, i addressed this to Heidi but i guess it's really for everyone.

but Heidi HAS kept her part of the discussion very positive and kind,

unlike many of us here, possibly or probably even myself.

we should all be like Heidi!

there is no point for me anymore to do all this discussing and

disagreeing, and i admit I'm at fault cuz i started a lot of it, or

brought it on myself.

so PEACE????? OKAY??????

back to topic (nutrition) from now on, at least for me.

and I'm sorry i said anything at all!!!!!!

i never should have revealed my innermost thoughts and feelings in a

place that i now deem is somewhat 'unsafe' to do so. (is anywhere

'safe'? maybe an AA meeting...) and I'm sorry i have done so.

i have no ill feelings toward anyone or toward this site; we all learn

from our mistakes and i hope I've learned from mine. I've learned to

keep my thoughts, feelings and beliefs to myself and stick to the topic

of nutrition!!!

i wish the VERY BEST to everyone....i mean this sincerely!!!!!

and Heidi keep up the GREAT work!

laura

[Guest guest]

>i have felt 'attacked'. not just disagreed with but 'attacked'.

I'm really sorry you felt that way (though I appreciate you saying

I'm not one of the " culprits " ). This IS a very rowdy list though, and

it's been a lot rowdier in the past. We have been recently trying

to keep arguments to the *topic*, rather than making comments

about the *person*. I think arguments are a lot more interesting

if people say

A. " I think this because of XYZ "

rather than

B. " You are an incredibly closed minded twerp to say that! "

The second argument, B. is not based on any facts, it is purely

a value judgement, hence useless in my book (inflammatory too ...).

I agree with that arguments should be based on science, logic,

or even some holy book or doctrine, but not on individual

value judgements.

>

>we should all be like Heidi!

Well of COURSE !!! ;--)

(actually if you'd known me when I was a gluten-eater you

wouldn't say that ... like Wanita and others have said, it

makes a huge difference. I used to be the sensitive one

who would run out of the room crying when someone made

a remark that might be construed as maybe personal, and

once cried all afternoon because I saw a dead pigeon. Now

I cut up fresh cow liver, butcher chickens and can stand

calmly while I get yelled at by some inflamed person).

-- Heidi Jean