probiotic puzzles/Re: bacteria now!

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>. Maybe there

>is a decent supply of LAB in raw meat? Another possibility is that

>people got enough bacteria from incidental sources like air or water,

>or maybe on the surface of fruits of veggies, eaten raw and

>unwashed?

I tend to think those paleo folks got a good supply of LAB (and other

bacterial) just because of they way they ate. If you read

and about how the Indians ate, they tended to do stuff

like, find a bloated drowned buffalo and " ride " it to shore

and chow down on it, or bury the buffalo and come back and

eat it in a month or so. And they loved buffalo guts fresh with

fermented grass. The Inuit did similar stuff with, say, stranded

rotting whale. Even dogs will bury meat and then eat it later.

It really doesn't take any technology to ferment meat, just lack

of refrigerators.

So it's a fair bet that fermented foods have been in the diet

longer than, say, cooked foods, and given the lack of refrigeration

maybe a lot of the diet was fermented to some extent. Meat

buried in dirt gets bacteria from the dirt, and it seems to get

" fermented " rather than " putrid " , maybe because of the salt

in the blood? I've noticed this in my worm bin: I bury stuff in

there and it doesn't smell " garbagy " a month later (though I'm

not inclined to eat it!).

That said, I'm not sure anyone needs much probiotic help if

their diet is reasonable and they aren't having food reactions or

eating preservatives or large amounts of quickly digested starches

or antibiotics. Everything you eat is full of bacteria, esp. fresh

greens that have been growing in dirt. Our culture has this

habit of eating sterilized food (cooked, canned, dried, and

full of preservatives) but sheesh, that is a REALLY recent

invention! For any hunter/gatherer, most of the diet would be

full of bacteria, mostly good bacteria ... cooked food is part

of the diet but not the main part usually.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>Even cows have to pay attention to where their grass is coming from.

>Some green grass is over 15 percent protein and contains lots of calcium,

>phosphorus and magnesium to build strong bodies. Other equally or even

>better looking green grass contains only six or seven percent protein and

>contains little calcium, phosphorus or magnesium. Cows forced to eat only

>this poor type of grass can literally starve to death with full bellies. And

>they have a hard time breeding successfully. The reason for the difference:

>different soil fertility profiles. (Albrecht, 1975)

It's a good article, though I have to add that the " fertility question "

gets even more complex. The bit above was quoted to us by a farmer

re longhorns ... his farm is in a dry, arid spot that looks rather lousy

from a nutrition standpoint, but the grass is actually better for the steer.

Our nice green grass on this side of the mountains is less nutritious!

Also, some plants do better in " poor " soils. They are like people ...

they work best in what they are adapted for. Our current commercial

crops are bred for specific growing conditions (which includes lots

of water, lots of fertilizer). But our local blackberries, for instance,

will die if you give them fertilizer, but do great on the depleted

overwatered soils of the Pacific Northwest. Isolated peoples tended

to grow crops that liked their current soil conditions (which often

were not great by farming standards).

The article tends to recommend grain and dairy foods according to

your background ... which I agree with to a point, but as Mercola

and NT both point out, grains are rather problematic foods for

a number of reasons and a lot of work to handle correctly. The idea

of having a " staple " grain is very recent in human history, and it's

been problematic. OK, if you have grain that is properly prepared AND

grown in good soil AND you aren't allergic to it, you might be healthy

eating a grain-based diet ... but it's a lot easier and safer to eat a

vegie/fruit/meat

based diet. The protein content of grain or potatoes isn't all that

important if you get some meat daily and aren't basing your diet on

grains and potatoes.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

---You guys are right on target! Those probiotics need to go into

the soil for many reasons. Anyone out there ever tried it? I'm

going to start brewing them for foliar spray and soil drenching.

Going to add raw skim milk for nitrogen,carbs and Ca++ as well as

kelp, compost, water and raw eggs. Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas

In , Heidi Schuppenhauer

<heidis@t...> wrote:

>

> > spend more time

> >indoors> > inhaling dust rather than soil, it's no wonder we may

be

> >deficient > > in certain organisms that you won't find in dairy,

> >cabbage, etc.

>

> The health dept. was out here talking about our well, because we are

> doing some building and they need to test the water. He pointed

> out that if you don't have the top 20 feet or so of the

well " sealed "

> then bacteria from the soil will leak into the well water.

>

> Well, it turns out ours IS sealed so it's not getting soil

organisms in

> it. Much. But I hadn't thought about pre-modern humans, you know

they

> didn't have nice bentonite sealers on their wells, IF they had a

well

> and weren't drinking from some muddy lake. And they sure

> didn't have ozonators and chlorine. So even if they DID wash their

> produce it would be full of soil organisms!

>

<><<><><><><><><><<>Soil organisms containing probiotics??????????

>Dennis Kemnitz still in KS

-- Heidi Jean