Re: OT: Chris's workouts (was Funny! re: tact discussion)

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wrote:

> > I'm surprised you're still at your computer, stirring up dookie,

> > instead of off somewhere playing with your kettle bells.

" chrismasterjohn " wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> Stirring up dookie? Ew. I leave that to the little blue men inside

> the toilet that make it flush and make the water come back.

Riiiiiggggghhht. Actions speak louder than words bucko.

> In any case, I'm on my gym cycle now. So it's back to squat,

I'm curious, what type of squat routine do you follow?

~

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ya know, i think if we charted thread topics, the recurrent Chris' Workout

thread could actually, possibly, be the one with the most recurrances and

the most yammering!

katja

At 01:27 PM 7/1/2004, you wrote:

> > In any case, I'm on my gym cycle now. So it's back to squat,

>

>I'm curious, what type of squat routine do you follow?

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> " chrismasterjohn " wrote:

> > Dear ,

> >

> > Stirring up dookie? Ew. I leave that to the little blue men

inside

> > the toilet that make it flush and make the water come back.

>

> Riiiiiggggghhht. Actions speak louder than words bucko.

I find this offensive. I will not continue this portion of the

discussion.

> > In any case, I'm on my gym cycle now. So it's back to squat,

>

> I'm curious, what type of squat routine do you follow?

There's this " Power Matrix " chart on the wall at the gym that has a

set of 8 reps, 5 reps, 3 reps, 1 rep, 1 rep, 1 rep, 5 reps, with the

weight increasing in the first four sets, and the second 5-rep set

about the same as the first, give or take 5 lbs. I've been doing

that. If you do all your reps, you up the weight the next time. For

some reason my squat max (255) is way under my deadlift max (335),

but I've dropped by squat even lower because I'm experimenting with

going down the maximum range of motion my legs allow for, so my but

almost hits the ground (maybe a half a foot above it, but never

measured!). My squat seems really pathetic in light of the fact that

I can bench 225! Nevertheless, it has cured my lifelong " ass

deficiency. " IOW, now I have one.

Chris

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> ya know, i think if we charted thread topics, the recurrent Chris'

Workout

> thread could actually, possibly, be the one with the most

recurrances and

> the most yammering!

lol... speaking of which, I suppose it's about time I updated my

pictures :-P

Chris

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By the way,

I found a new way to make my ab workout more gruelling, which I

adapted from what a former army guy told me they used to do in the

service.

I lay on my back and hold my legs up in the air to the position where

I feel that my abs, especially lower abs, are contracted tightest. I

hold this until my abs start convulsing, then I hold it for a minute

longer, than I do variations like doing crunches while I'm

maintaining the position, or very slowly spread my legs out and bring

them together, for another minute or so. I started out doing 2-3

minutes a couple weeks ago, but now I can do my first set for five

minutes. This is CRAZY and requires a lot of will power, as the

burning is constant and begins fairly early on. I may do several

more of these, holding them only 1-2 minutes, afterwards. Then I

might to leg raises on the floor, several sets of 10-20, depending on

how tired my abs have become from the previous exercise (hanging leg

raises are impossible for me after doing the isometric exercise.)

Then I follow up at the end with a set of oblique crunches for each

side, each set 130 reps.

Chris

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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 06:29:25 -0000

" chrismasterjohn " <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote:

For

> some reason my squat max (255) is way under my deadlift max (335),

> but I've dropped by squat even lower because I'm experimenting with

> going down the maximum range of motion my legs allow for, so my but

> almost hits the ground (maybe a half a foot above it, but never

> measured!). My squat seems really pathetic in light of the fact that

> I can bench 225! Nevertheless, it has cured my lifelong " ass

> deficiency. " IOW, now I have one.

>

> Chris

>

That is interesting. My squat max far exceeds my bench max. I'm not sure

I have ever known anyone with a squat and bench max so close, but that

is not saying much since it is nothing I have ever paid close attention

too.

As far as I am concerned, a full squat (done Olympic style rather than

powerlifting or bodybuilding style) is the way to go. Contrary to

conventional wisdom the full squat restored my creaky knees.

As for carving out a nice ass, there is no better exercise.

The *New* Ten Commandments

http://tinyurl.com/245sr

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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> That is interesting. My squat max far exceeds my bench max. I'm not

sure

> I have ever known anyone with a squat and bench max so close, but

that

> is not saying much since it is nothing I have ever paid close

attention

> too.

I think it might be because I've approached the bench press more

systematically. I use a wonderful protocol from one of Pavel's

magazine columns that allowed me to push up my max about 25 lbs in

two months the first time, and about another 15 pounds in 1.5 months

the second time around. Unfortunately, I wasted time doing a cycle

of close-gripped bench press and all it did for me was make me lose

15 pounds on my regular grip max. However, I'm back on track and

hope to boost it up to 250 within the next couple of months.

Maybe if I attack the squat with something more systematic I can

boost that up similarly.

> As far as I am concerned, a full squat (done Olympic style rather

than

> powerlifting or bodybuilding style) is the way to go.

What is the Olympic style? Or does that just mean a full squat (all

the way down)?

> As for carving out a nice ass, there is no better exercise.

I'm working on it.

Chris

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Congratulations on getting back your creaky knees!

-- Ken

>

> For

> > some reason my squat max (255) is way under my deadlift max (335),

> > but I've dropped by squat even lower because I'm experimenting with

> > going down the maximum range of motion my legs allow for, so my but

> > almost hits the ground (maybe a half a foot above it, but never

> > measured!). My squat seems really pathetic in light of the fact that

> > I can bench 225! Nevertheless, it has cured my lifelong " ass

> > deficiency. " IOW, now I have one.

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

> That is interesting. My squat max far exceeds my bench max. I'm not sure

> I have ever known anyone with a squat and bench max so close, but that

> is not saying much since it is nothing I have ever paid close attention

> too.

>

> As far as I am concerned, a full squat (done Olympic style rather than

> powerlifting or bodybuilding style) is the way to go. Contrary to

> conventional wisdom the full squat restored my creaky knees.

>

> As for carving out a nice ass, there is no better exercise.

>

>

> The *New* Ten Commandments

> http://tinyurl.com/245sr

>

> " They told just the same,

> That just because a tyrant has the might

> By force of arms to murder men downright

> And burn down house and home and leave all flat

> They call the man a captain, just for that.

> But since an outlaw with his little band

> Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

> Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

> He only earns the title of a thief. "

> --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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In a message dated 7/5/04 8:33:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> > Maybe if I attack the squat with something more systematic I can

> > boost that up similarly.

>

> Yes. That shouldn't be a problem.

I'm going to follow through with my current bench press cycle, do my best to

push up to 250 max, then relegate my bench press to one day a week and try to

do a power cycle for the squat.

Before I got into Olympic Lifting I

> used to follow a Russian Peaking program for the squat.

Got a link for that?

> Squatting Olympic style does mean a full squat, but it also means you

> have the bar positioned a little lower than you would for a bodybuilding

> squat. You also don't use sleeves or any other kind of implement in the

> shoulder area.

Maybe that's what I do. My trainer told me to definitely not use those

plastic things to rest the bar, because they push the bar up to high, and the

lower

the bar is, the better the exercise is for you. So I let the bar on my bare

neck or shirt, and keep it as low as seems reasonable to me. I don't go nuts

trying to lower it though.

>

> Full back squats are great. So are stop squats and front squats.

>

I don't know what the latter two are, but I suppose googling might reveal

this...

Chris

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In a message dated 7/5/04 11:04:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

>

> Nope. I got it out of Muscle and Fitness magazine a few years ago. I

> have a copy of it. Maybe I can scan and send it to you. I was well over

> 500 pounds (550?) when I was doing this religiously. I still have my

> logs from that time (about 4 years ago) I will look it up.

I'd appreciate it. I wouldn't mind doubling my squat.

> Front squats are when you squat with the bar in front of you instead of

> behind you. I would defintely not do this without some coaching.

Actually, I knew what these are, just not the stop squat. Don't know why I

said I didn't. I've never been taught how to do them, but I've seen people do

them in my gym (on rare occasion), and have seen bodybuilders do them in the

videos they always play in the gym.

Chris

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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 07:08:35 -0000

" chrismasterjohn " <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote:

>

> Maybe if I attack the squat with something more systematic I can

> boost that up similarly.

Yes. That shouldn't be a problem. Before I got into Olympic Lifting I

used to follow a Russian Peaking program for the squat. I'm actually

thinking of trying it for the Olympic Lifts as well.

> > As far as I am concerned, a full squat (done Olympic style rather

> than

> > powerlifting or bodybuilding style) is the way to go.

>

> What is the Olympic style? Or does that just mean a full squat (all

> the way down)?

Squatting Olympic style does mean a full squat, but it also means you

have the bar positioned a little lower than you would for a bodybuilding

squat. You also don't use sleeves or any other kind of implement in the

shoulder area.

> > As for carving out a nice ass, there is no better exercise.

>

> I'm working on it.

Full back squats are great. So are stop squats and front squats.

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:35:06 EDT

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

>

> Before I got into Olympic Lifting I

> > used to follow a Russian Peaking program for the squat.

>

> Got a link for that?

Nope. I got it out of Muscle and Fitness magazine a few years ago. I

have a copy of it. Maybe I can scan and send it to you. I was well over

500 pounds (550?) when I was doing this religiously. I still have my

logs from that time (about 4 years ago) I will look it up.

> > Squatting Olympic style does mean a full squat, but it also means you

> > have the bar positioned a little lower than you would for a bodybuilding

> > squat. You also don't use sleeves or any other kind of implement in the

> > shoulder area.

>

> Maybe that's what I do. My trainer told me to definitely not use those

> plastic things to rest the bar, because they push the bar up to high, and the

lower

> the bar is, the better the exercise is for you. So I let the bar on my bare

> neck or shirt, and keep it as low as seems reasonable to me. I don't go nuts

> trying to lower it though.

Sounds about right to me.

> > Full back squats are great. So are stop squats and front squats.

> >

>

> I don't know what the latter two are, but I suppose googling might reveal

> this...

Front squats are when you squat with the bar in front of you instead of

behind you. I would defintely not do this without some coaching.

http://www.biofitness.com/demo02.html

In all my years of lifting weights the only people I have ever seen do

front squats are athletes or Olympic lifters.

Stop squats are squats where you pause at the bottom of the exercise.

Very tough when done right.

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale