Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:49:08 EDT ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > I'm thinking, not quite planning to yet, but thinking, of trying the milk > fast. I have a few questions for , Suze, or anyone else who has tried it. Hi I keep trying to get back to some old posts a few days back that I want to respond to, but new posts keep popping up. Maybe that is a sign I should leave some of those older posts alone and not cause any commotion on the list, LOL! > -- I haven't figured out for sure whether I have an intolerance to milk per > se yet, but it seems so far that if I drink milk one hour away from any other > food I tolerate it very well, even in large quantities (like a half gallon), > but that I get a queasy stomach, diarrhea, or in the worst case, bloating, if I > drink it with other food, especially starches or beer. Given my possible > sub-optimal toleration of milk, would I probably still reap the benefits of the > milk fast? Well if in fact you don't have any problems when drinking it alone, I don't see why not, but that is just a top of the head response.. Personally I would find a milk I could tolerate, either by drinking a higher brix milk or finding milk from an animal other than a cow. I have always had issues mixing milk or kefir with beer until the Warrior Diet. Before that the combo would pack on the pounds. But I have no clue as to why you experince the symptoms you do. Maybe Heidi could shed some light on the subject. > -- Does the milk fast allow for culturing of the milk? Yes > It seems to me that > culturing milk converts many of the proteins to hydrophobic form. Would this > destroy the benefit of the milk fast by essentially turning it into what your > digestive system would respond to as a solid food rather than a liquid? If > anyone has included cultured milk on the milk fast, what proportion of the milk > was cultured. I didn't notice a problem with kefir, although I did all raw milk the first time around and only some kefir the second time around. You might find an answer in Ron Schmid's book on raw milk. He has quite a bit of info on the milk fast. > -- , you've said that you couldn't tolerate milk properly until you > found brix 13 milk. Was the milk you used when you tried the milk fast >brix > 13, or did you use inferior milk and still reap the benefits of the fast? I can't tolerate cows milk if the brix is lower than that. I'm not sure that holds true for other animals. I have never had a problem with goats milk in the several states I have had it, and I can't imagine they were all high brix. I did the milk fast on the high brix milk. I had to many digestive issues on the lower brix milk to consider it for a milk fast. During the milk fast on the higher brix milk, I never felt so good in my life. > -- Is there a particular schedule to the feeding that is supposed to be > followed? Could the milk fast be reconciled to the Warrior Diet at all? (I > suppose given the digestive requirements and carb content of milk it wouldn't be > possible without water fasting during the day, but I'm wondering how important > the schedule of consumption is.) The true blue therapeutic milk fast is definitely on a schedule. But when I did it I just made a point of getting my daily quota in. You are supposed to work up to 8-10 quarts a day. I think I only drank 5 at the most. I would pour out my daily quota into quart jars every morning, and leave then out on the counter, and drink whenever I passed by throughout the day. If I left the house I would take a quart ot two or three with me. > -- How much milk did folks who tried it drink in a day? Did you try to > consume the same amount of calories more or less as before the fast? I never even thought about calories, I just drank until I was satisfied. > -- How long should one be ready to commit for before one approaches the fast? I went six weeks. I guess it depends on your goals. Someone who is sick will onbviously approach it differently than someone who is doing it for " beautification " purposes, as Dr. Crewe points out some do. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > milk fast questions > > >I'm thinking, not quite planning to yet, but thinking, of trying the milk >fast. I have a few questions for , Suze, or anyone else >who has tried it. I'm no expert on this. I only did it for a week. I did drink some kefir, along the way. Maybe 1/3rd of my milk consumed as kefir. I didn't have any detox symptoms till day 6 when I got a little feverish. I tried drinking a gallon a day (I think that's the minimum, although 's post indicates otherwise. I was never hungry. It was 11 brix milk and I was constipated for most of the fast (an extremely rare situation for me since I tend toward loose stools) and I was bloated. Milk doesn't bloat me anymore since my pepto bismol elimination diet though. In fact, *nothing* seems to bloat me now. In any case, you are supposed to drink it minimum every hour, IIRC. But I didn't. I just drank when I felt like it. I didn't lose or gain weight on a gallon a day either, and neither did my friend Kate who did a week-long milk fast too. FWIW, I *suspect* sheeps milk is higher brix for the simple fact it's creamier, if you have access to any. I did test a local sheep's milk and it was 13 brix. OR, perhaps you could do 1/3 cream, 2/3 milk if you have a problem digesting milk proteins (there'd just be fewer to digest if you displace some with cream). Good luck and let us know how it goes! Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 >Milk doesn't bloat me anymore since my > pepto bismol elimination diet though. In fact, *nothing* seems to >bloat me > now. Oo, that sounds interesting. I remember Heidi mentioning pepto bismol in the past, but don't know what the " pepto bismol elimination diet " is. Is it just meat and veggies and pepto bismol, then add others in slowly? How much pb, and how long with the minimum foods? I generally don't bloat in response to anything, but the other night I drank a lot of milk following a bunch of other stuff soon before bed, and I was bloated all night, kept waking up, then had diarrhea at some point and then it got better. I drank milk the next day and since with no problem, just making sure I space it from my other food by an hour. Today I drank a half gallon before I took a nap, and I heard a little grumbling going on in my stomach when I woke up, but I didn't have diarrhea, bloating, pain, or any other symptom... which indicates to me I have a very moderate problem digesting the milk alone, but don't a very signficant one. OR, perhaps you could do 1/3 cream, 2/3 milk if you have a > problem digesting milk proteins (there'd just be fewer to digest if you > displace some with cream). I don't actually have access to raw cream right now, unfortunately. Since I can get milk 15 minutes away, it isn't worth it to go to New Hampshire for cream! I decided I'm moving to either California, New Zealand, or Abu Dhabi today anyway, so I'll make sure I move near a good cream source :-) > Good luck and let us know how it goes! Thanks! , thanks also for your post. Someone is supposed to lend me Ron's book soon, so I'll get to read it then. Do you or can you use supplements like cod liver oil on the fast? I don't have much choice with respect to my raw milk sources, so it will be difficult to maximize the brix of my milk. :-/ My purpose of the milk fast isn't " beautification " (nor glorification or theosis, for that matter, lol), though I wouldn't mind being more beautiful (who wouldn't?). I'm just considering ways to straighten out digestive issues and whatnot. I haven't had Primal Defense in about six months, which I was using to keep my stools good and my gut straight, but I ordered some EM the other day and am going to see how that works. I haven't had much cultured stuff to speak of either, lately, but none of it, kefir, sauerkraut, etc, ever did the trick for me like PD (though cultured veggies helped my digestion of that particular meal a lot). Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > Re: milk fast questions > > > >>Milk doesn't bloat me anymore since my >> pepto bismol elimination diet though. In fact, *nothing* seems to >>bloat me >> now. > >Oo, that sounds interesting. I remember Heidi mentioning pepto >bismol in the past, but don't know what the " pepto bismol elimination >diet " is. Is it just meat and veggies and pepto bismol, then add >others in slowly? Yep, that's basically it. How much pb, and how long with the minimum foods? Hmmm...I'm trying to remember the dose, I think it was one capful 3x a day, or something like that. (Heidi can tell you) I took the " extra strength " formula. The duration is 10 days. However, I also did a fast (water, then juice) prior to the elimination phase AND I did a few liver flushes. So I can't be 100% certain it's the PB that eliminated my chronic bloating (which had been going on for over 7 months). > >I generally don't bloat in response to anything, Then you probably wouldn't benefit from the PB elimination diet. > >OR, perhaps you could do 1/3 cream, 2/3 milk if you have a >> problem digesting milk proteins (there'd just be fewer to digest if >you >> displace some with cream). > >I don't actually have access to raw cream right now, unfortunately. >Since I can get milk 15 minutes away, it isn't worth it to go to New >Hampshire for cream! > >I decided I'm moving to either California, New Zealand, or Abu Dhabi >today anyway, so I'll make sure I move near a good cream source :-) Why Abu Dhabi? >, thanks also for your post. Someone is supposed to lend me >Ron's book soon, so I'll get to read it then. Do you or can you use >supplements like cod liver oil on the fast? I'm not , but I supplemented on the milk fast. I doubt a milk fast with 10 or 11 brix milk is as effective as one with a higher quality milk. The original milk fasts conducted by Dr. Crewe didn't involve supplements, I think, but you don't have to follow his protocol to a " T " (if you did, you'd stay bed-ridden for the duration). > >My purpose of the milk fast isn't " beautification " (nor glorification >or theosis, for that matter, lol), though I wouldn't mind being more >beautiful (who wouldn't?). I'm just considering ways to straighten >out digestive issues and whatnot. Have you considered a water fast? It's the fast of the apostles right now anyways, isn't it? That would probably give your gut time to heal up. > >I haven't had Primal Defense in about six months, which I was using >to keep my stools good and my gut straight, but I ordered some EM the >other day and am going to see how that works. I haven't had much >cultured stuff to speak of either, lately, but none of it, kefir, >sauerkraut, etc, ever did the trick for me like PD (though cultured >veggies helped my digestion of that particular meal a lot). Why'd you stop PD if it was working? The cost? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > >-- I haven't figured out for sure whether I have an intolerance to milk per >se yet, but it seems so far that if I drink milk one hour away from any other >food I tolerate it very well, even in large quantities (like a half gallon), >but that I get a queasy stomach, diarrhea, or in the worst case, bloating, >if I >drink it with other food, especially starches or beer. Given my possible >sub-optimal toleration of milk, would I probably still reap the benefits >of the >milk fast? hey chris, do you eat gluten? remember that lactose intolerance is often tied to gluten intolerance...maybe you could try that? -katja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:39:32 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > >, thanks also for your post. Someone is supposed to lend me > >Ron's book soon, so I'll get to read it then. Do you or can you use > >supplements like cod liver oil on the fast? > > I'm not , but I supplemented on the milk fast. I doubt a milk fast > with 10 or 11 brix milk is as effective as one with a higher quality milk. > The original milk fasts conducted by Dr. Crewe didn't involve supplements, I > think, but you don't have to follow his protocol to a " T " (if you did, you'd > stay bed-ridden for the duration). If you are not really sick then following the protocol to the " T " is not really necessary, IMO. But I didn't supplement and its not really necessary if you consider the milk diet a " fast. " But nowhere in the literature is it referred to that way that I am aware of. It is usually described as the milk " cure. " That suggests to me that high quality milk is a must or you will need to supplement or you will need lots of cultured dairy or some combination thereof. But then it wouldn't properly be the " milk cure, " but probably beneficial nonetheless. > >My purpose of the milk fast isn't " beautification " (nor glorification > >or theosis, for that matter, lol), though I wouldn't mind being more > >beautiful (who wouldn't?). I'm just considering ways to straighten > >out digestive issues and whatnot. > > Have you considered a water fast? It's the fast of the apostles right now > anyways, isn't it? That would probably give your gut time to heal up. This year, the Apostles Fast only shows up if you are on the Old Calendar. I think is New Calendar. But a water fast might be to intense to start off with, and a juice fast would accomplish the same end. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > >I generally don't bloat in response to anything, > Then you probably wouldn't benefit from the PB elimination diet. Oh, right. Point taken. > Why Abu Dhabi? Oh, I was just kidding. lol... I don't even know where it is, except it's where Garfield always shipped Nermal. I had, however, briefly thought of discussed moving out of here, but there must be major impracticalities to the idea I'm overlooking. > Have you considered a water fast? It's the fast of the apostles right now > anyways, isn't it? That would probably give your gut time to heal up. It isn't for us, being on the " new " calendar and whatnot. Did you lose any muscle mass on a water fast? I'm paranoid of losing muscle mass :-P Mostly I'd be afraid to do this with work, since my job is kind of fast-paced and somewhat stressful often times, I'm afraid if I was water fasting I wouldn't be in the right frame of mind. > Why'd you stop PD if it was working? The cost? I just ran out, and then didn't have the money to buy more. Apparently EM has all the organisms that PD does, so I thought I'd give it a try. Also, it seems much less expensive in that you can reculture it I think indefinitely, or in any case can reculture it for a while. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > hey chris, do you eat gluten? remember that lactose intolerance is often > tied to gluten intolerance...maybe you could try that? I do (only sprouted), but I'd gone months before without gluten, and even longer without wheat gluten, because for a while I was only eating Manna 100% rye bread as a source of gluten, following my gluten-free period, and I didn't notice any changes in my health from either going gluten-free or back. I'm going to see what happens when I try the EM and maybe some sort of fast or whatever, and maybe I'll try going gluten-free again at some point if I need to. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 > This year, the Apostles Fast only shows up if you are on the Old > Calendar. I think is New Calendar. That's not true, although it happens sometimes. It's just over now. > But a water fast might be to intense to start off with, and a juice fast > would accomplish the same end. I juice fasted on V8 (not having money or time for real juice) a little while back for two days and felt fantastic. I just took a slug from it whenever I felt hungry. I also had some black coffee. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 In a message dated 7/5/04 9:01:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slethnobotanist@... writes: > That probably isn't the best word. He just meant people who were > undertaking the milk cure for general health purposes. Oh, I see. That's basically the idea on this end, then. >By the way, its a > great way to lose weight for those who have a problem with being > overweight and can't seem to find anything that works. Good to know. > > I haven't had Primal Defense in about six months, which I was using > > to keep my stools good and my gut straight, but I ordered some EM the > > other day and am going to see how that works. > > What brand did you buy? SCD World. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 In a message dated 7/5/04 11:03:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slethnobotanist@... writes: > Fervita? http://www.fervita.com Hmm? I got it from www.scdworld.com Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 05:35:45 -0000 " chrismasterjohn " <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote: > > My purpose of the milk fast isn't " beautification " (nor glorification > or theosis, for that matter, lol), though I wouldn't mind being more > beautiful (who wouldn't?). I'm just considering ways to straighten > out digestive issues and whatnot. That probably isn't the best word. He just meant people who were undertaking the milk cure for general health purposes. By the way, its a great way to lose weight for those who have a problem with being overweight and can't seem to find anything that works. > I haven't had Primal Defense in about six months, which I was using > to keep my stools good and my gut straight, but I ordered some EM the > other day and am going to see how that works. What brand did you buy? War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:27:08 -0000 " chrismasterjohn " <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote: > > > > This year, the Apostles Fast only shows up if you are on the Old > > Calendar. I think is New Calendar. > > That's not true, although it happens sometimes. It's just over now. My mistake. I thought I heard my priest say that the Apostles Fast didn't show up on the new calendar this year. Should have checked it out myslef before passing it along, or, more likely, I probably misunderstood him. > > But a water fast might be to intense to start off with, and a juice > fast > > would accomplish the same end. > > I juice fasted on V8 (not having money or time for real juice) a > little while back for two days and felt fantastic. I just took a > slug from it whenever I felt hungry. I also had some black coffee. V8 and coffee? Well that certainly supports the contention juice is not the issue when fasting, LOL! Although it does make liquid fasting MUCH easier, especially in the early days of a fast. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:53:05 EDT ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > > > I haven't had Primal Defense in about six months, which I was using > > > to keep my stools good and my gut straight, but I ordered some EM the > > > other day and am going to see how that works. > > > > What brand did you buy? > > SCD World. > > Chris > Fervita? http://www.fervita.com War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 >-- I haven't figured out for sure whether I have an intolerance to milk per >se yet, but it seems so far that if I drink milk one hour away from any other >food I tolerate it very well, even in large quantities (like a half gallon), >but that I get a queasy stomach, diarrhea, or in the worst case, bloating, if I >drink it with other food, especially starches or beer. Given my possible >sub-optimal toleration of milk, would I probably still reap the benefits of the >milk fast? What kind of starches? Given that gluten (and beer) interfere with digestion (more so for some folks) then that would make it harder to digest the milk, even if you DO digest milk correctly otherwise. You might experiment with drinking milk with potatoes, for instance. >-- Does the milk fast allow for culturing of the milk? It seems to me that >culturing milk converts many of the proteins to hydrophobic form. Would this >destroy the benefit of the milk fast by essentially turning it into what your >digestive system would respond to as a solid food rather than a liquid? If >anyone has included cultured milk on the milk fast, what proportion of the milk >was cultured. I don't know about the milk fast, but your stomach converts the proteins too (or it should, it's supposed to be acidic enough). Since hydrolyzed casein seems to be better for rats than plain casein, I'd expect that casein is SUPPOSED to be hydrolyzed by an acidic stomach, and if it isn't then it is more problematic. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 >I do (only sprouted), but I'd gone months before without gluten, and >even longer without wheat gluten, because for a while I was only >eating Manna 100% rye bread as a source of gluten, following my >gluten-free period, and I didn't notice any changes in my health from >either going gluten-free or back. I'm going to see what happens when >I try the EM and maybe some sort of fast or whatever, and maybe I'll >try going gluten-free again at some point if I need to. > >Chris As was mentioned earlier, you might try the Pepto fast ... 10 days of meat, fruit and vegies, no beer, soy sauce or anything packaged/processed. (wine is ok though). THEN add back stuff, one thing at a time. The Pepto kills off the bad bacteria, and using just meat and vegies gets rid of most allergens, so it's easier to see the reactions. Beer IS a source of gluten (the worst one for symptoms, in my case, don't ask me why it can't have MUCH gluten). Good wine rarely has gluten in it (cheap stuff might though). You don't always see improvement on a GF diet though, even for folks who test highly gluten intolerant. (As you brought up once about the SCD). That often has to do with bacterial dysbiosis or additional food intolerances or low HCL or lack of enyzmes. That is why the testing is really crucial for some folks. Folks who have easy symptoms (like me) have it a lot easier. Milk is one of those things that is really hard to figure out ... a lot of people are ok with it (even if casein intolerant) if it is kefired, or from goats, or whatever, and it doesn't seem to be as nasty as gluten in terms of gut damage. I think it CAN get digested if the digestion is working ok, unlike gluten (parts of which are undigestable even using lots of HCL, humans just don't have the right equipment). -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 In a message dated 7/6/04 4:33:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heidis@... writes: > What kind of starches? Given that gluten (and beer) interfere with > digestion (more so for some folks) then that would make it harder > to digest the milk, even if you DO digest milk correctly otherwise. > You might experiment with drinking milk with potatoes, for instance. Nope, potatoes are the problem. And, I find potatoes in general harder to digest than sprouted gluten breads. > I don't know about the milk fast, but your stomach converts the proteins > too (or it should, it's supposed to be acidic enough) That's a good point I'd overlooked. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 At 06:24 PM 7/6/2004, you wrote: >> I don't know about the milk fast, but your stomach converts the proteins >> too (or it should, it's supposed to be acidic enough) > >That's a good point I'd overlooked. > >Chris Well, as if it wasn't complicated enough, someone sent me a thing about A1 and A2 casein .... see below. This is from the Failsafe newsletter. I don't know about goat milk ... is it A1 or A2???? -- Heidi Jean A2 milk and children's behaviour Thousands of years ago, the ancestor of the modern dairy cow lived mostly in the Middle East and Asia. During the period that cattle were domesticated and introduced into Europe, a natural mutation occurred which produced a protein variant in milk called A1 beta casein. Today, most herds in Western countries contain some cows that produce milk with a1 beta casein, some that produce milk with A2 beta casein and some that produce a mixture. A1 beta casein has been linked to heart disease, diabetes type 1, autism and schizophrenia. The A2 Corporation in New Zealand has developed techniques for identifying which cows produce milk with negligible A1 beta casein content, the way it was thousands of years ago. In Australia, A2 milk is now available in Queensland and Adelaide, and should be widely available by the end of the year. In NZ, A2 Corporation chief executive Dr Corran McLachlan claimed that some farmers wanted to supply A2 milk but the dairy corporation Fonterra was stopping them. An editorial in the NZ Medical Association commented that it would be reasonably straightforward to change New Zealand dairy herds to produce only A2 milk if that was necessary. `The intervention would require no change in behaviour by New Zealanders and could be implemented with little personal difficulty for substantial health gain.' A failsafe-friendly dietitian reports the use of A2 milk during an elimination diet for a boy with autistic type behaviour: `I placed him on a milk free elimination diet, but allowed A2 milk. He consumed several cups of this per day whilst on the diet. His behaviour, concentration and sense of humour all improved. However, when we challenged with normal milk, concentration etc deteriorated. So it is back to the A2 milk whilst we go through other challenges.' To check if A2 milk is available near you, see www.A2dairy.com or phone 1800 777 083. See the scientific research at the A2 website: www.a2corporation.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 >Nope, potatoes are the problem. And, I find potatoes in general harder to >digest than sprouted gluten breads. Chris: Interesting. Now potatoes I can eat forever. I must have the potato enzyme. Sweet potatoes I have problems with though ... I know they are good for a person but I just can't eat them. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 > Re: milk fast questions > > >At 06:24 PM 7/6/2004, you wrote: >>> I don't know about the milk fast, but your stomach converts the proteins >>> too (or it should, it's supposed to be acidic enough) >> >>That's a good point I'd overlooked. >> >>Chris > >Well, as if it wasn't complicated enough, someone sent me a thing >about A1 and A2 casein .... see below. This is from the Failsafe >newsletter. >I don't know about goat milk ... is it A1 or A2???? > >-- Heidi Jean > I've read it's mostly A2. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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