Re: NT chicken rations & practices-off topic?

[Guest guest]

> Hi Folks,

>

> It's occurred to me several of you out there are raising chickens,

> and I wanted to ask questions about what you feed, and the hows and

> whys, and what of the NT cooking and dietary practices you utilize

> for your chickens. I also realize it might be beyond the scope of

> this list. Is there an alternate list we can jump to for off-topic

> but sort of related posts, or is this as good a place as any to

have

> this dicussion?

>

> The discussion about dairy whey for chickens made me think of this,

> and we have a chook who has had diarrhea (no other noticeable

> symptoms) for about 5 days now. Curious how you all handle these

> types of things, usually we give kefiili, but didn't seem to work

> this time.

>

> Also, I seem to remember in reports about " make your own " organic

> feeds that it was very, very difficult to get enough quality

protein

> for the birds using legumes--but I began wondering if soaking and

> mashing the legumes was useful to free nutrients and neutralize

> phytates or whatever it is that legumes have. So far we are using

> feed store feeds which are not too expensive, but I really wonder

if

> that's the best thing I can be doing.

>

> Thanks, Leann

Leann,

Have you heard of feeding chickens 'bokashi'? Bokashi is wheat or

rice bran fermented with EM organisms. EM stands for Efficient

Microorganisms which contains yeasts, lactobacteria, and PNSB

reducing bacteria. I think the fermented bokashi or any good

probiotic allows an animal to get more nutrition from the food it

already eats. You can search the archives of the EM-Ag

or EM-health for more info. Don't be offended if you post questions

that have been answered previously to those groups and get a cranky

reply saying you should search the EM archives.

If you need extra protein for your chickens keep one or more lit 40

watt lightbulbs outside the coop. In the morning the chickens will

gobble up the bugs.

Darrell

International Dutch Oven Society Recipe Archives

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Rec.food.preserving Official FAQ

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Where Can I Find Real Milk Products?

http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

Probiotics In The News - usprobiotics.org

http://www.usprobiotics.org/news/index.htm

son Database For Live Kefir Grains

http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

BUTTER The Natural Choice

http://www.butterisbest.com/faq/index.html

[Guest guest]

Darrell, thanks for this--I a have to say my defiance comes up

immediately with suggestions like " search the archives " when I don't

know anything about the topic at all. Where does someone start in

that case, among a group of extremely educated and knowledgeable

folks if you can't ask questions?

Ok, now that I'm done whining--sorry, we went to a b-day party today

and ate real cake and I'm feeling it. ;0) (Tee hee, thinking about

the posts to Chris.)

Anyway, I have some questions for you--where does one get, procure,

or create these EM? I think you or another EM person might be on a

chicken list I am part of, I posted about use of lime for odor

control and someone suggested EM/microbes for odor control. Again,

I have no idea what that is, or how to make a reasonable start.

Thanks so much for your suggestion, if you feel comfortable sharing

some good links or a basic framework of the topic you have suggested-

-I know nothing about it, and the only related terms I have are

things like kombucha, kefir, etc.

Thanks so much, Leann, off to take some cod liver oil

-- In , " Darrell "

<135798642goodkind@e...> wrote:

>

> > Hi Folks,

> >

> > It's occurred to me several of you out there are raising

chickens,

> > and I wanted to ask questions about what you feed, and the hows

and

> > whys, and what of the NT cooking and dietary practices you

utilize

> > for your chickens. I also realize it might be beyond the scope

of

> > this list. Is there an alternate list we can jump to for off-

topic

> > but sort of related posts, or is this as good a place as any to

> have

> > this dicussion?

> >

> > The discussion about dairy whey for chickens made me think of

this,

> > and we have a chook who has had diarrhea (no other noticeable

> > symptoms) for about 5 days now. Curious how you all handle

these

> > types of things, usually we give kefiili, but didn't seem to

work

> > this time.

> >

> > Also, I seem to remember in reports about " make your own "

organic

> > feeds that it was very, very difficult to get enough quality

> protein

> > for the birds using legumes--but I began wondering if soaking

and

> > mashing the legumes was useful to free nutrients and neutralize

> > phytates or whatever it is that legumes have. So far we are

using

> > feed store feeds which are not too expensive, but I really

wonder

> if

> > that's the best thing I can be doing.

> >

> > Thanks, Leann

>

> Leann,

>

> Have you heard of feeding chickens 'bokashi'? Bokashi is wheat or

> rice bran fermented with EM organisms. EM stands for Efficient

> Microorganisms which contains yeasts, lactobacteria, and PNSB

> reducing bacteria. I think the fermented bokashi or any good

> probiotic allows an animal to get more nutrition from the food it

> already eats. You can search the archives of the EM-

Ag

> or EM-health for more info. Don't be offended if you post

questions

> that have been answered previously to those groups and get a

cranky

> reply saying you should search the EM archives.

>

> If you need extra protein for your chickens keep one or more lit

40

> watt lightbulbs outside the coop. In the morning the chickens

will

> gobble up the bugs.

>

> Darrell

>

> International Dutch Oven Society Recipe Archives

> http://www.idos.com/Recipes/archives/recarc.htm

> Rec.food.preserving Official FAQ

> http://www.gbronline.com/jacke/rfpfaq/rfpFAQ.htm

> Where Can I Find Real Milk Products?

> http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

> Probiotics In The News - usprobiotics.org

> http://www.usprobiotics.org/news/index.htm

> son Database For Live Kefir Grains

> http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

> BUTTER The Natural Choice

> http://www.butterisbest.com/faq/index.html

[Guest guest]

> Darrell, thanks for this--I a have to say my defiance comes up

> immediately with suggestions like " search the archives " when I

> don't know anything about the topic at all. Where does someone

> start in that case, among a group of extremely educated and

> knowledgeable folks if you can't ask questions?

> Ok, now that I'm done whining--sorry, we went to a b-day party

> today and ate real cake and I'm feeling it. ;0) (Tee hee,

> thinking about the posts to Chris.)

> Anyway, I have some questions for you--where does one get,

> procure, or create these EM? I think you or another EM

> person might be on a chicken list I am part of, I posted about use

> of lime for odor control and someone suggested EM/microbes for

> odor control. Again, I have no idea what that is, or how to make

> a reasonable start.

>

> Thanks so much for your suggestion, if you feel comfortable

> sharing some good links or a basic framework of the topic you have

> suggested--I know nothing about it, and the only related terms I

> have are things like kombucha, kefir, etc.

>

> Thanks so much, Leann, off to take some cod liver oil

Leann,

Here are some links on EM and Bokashi that should allow you to jump

in with at least one foot.

EM

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/em/index.html

Bokashi

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/em/bokashiantiox1.html#Bokashi

Making Activated EM

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/em/getstarted1.html#Extension

A Source For EM

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/em/getstarted1.html#Purchase

I am not affiliated with the people or products associated with

those EM links. What interested me about EM is the fact that there

are three major types of synergistic organisms contained in the EM

ferments which might make it as useful or more useful as the kefir I

enjoy making from live kefir grains.

Enjoy,

Darrell

International Dutch Oven Society Recipe Archives

http://www.idos.com/Recipes/archives/recarc.htm

Rec.food.preserving Official FAQ

http://www.gbronline.com/jacke/rfpfaq/rfpFAQ.htm

Where Can I Find Real Milk Products?

http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

Probiotics In The News - usprobiotics.org

http://www.usprobiotics.org/news/index.htm

son Database For Live Kefir Grains

http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/son/kefir/default.asp

BUTTER The Natural Choice

http://www.butterisbest.com/faq/index.html

[Guest guest]

>Have you heard of feeding chickens 'bokashi'? Bokashi is wheat or

>rice bran fermented with EM organisms. EM stands for Efficient

>Microorganisms which contains yeasts, lactobacteria, and PNSB

>reducing bacteria. I think the fermented bokashi or any good

>probiotic allows an animal to get more nutrition from the food it

>already eats. You can search the archives of the EM-Ag

>or EM-health for more info. Don't be offended if you post questions

>that have been answered previously to those groups and get a cranky

>reply saying you should search the EM archives.

I've been fermenting leftovers with kefir for awhile ... I haven't

tried EM, but the kefir-ferment really seems to help the

birds. Or at least they crave it. It would be interesting

to compare the two, but I haven't got around to it yet ...

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>Also, I seem to remember in reports about " make your own " organic

>feeds that it was very, very difficult to get enough quality protein

>for the birds using legumes--but I began wondering if soaking and

>mashing the legumes was useful to free nutrients and neutralize

>phytates or whatever it is that legumes have. So far we are using

>feed store feeds which are not too expensive, but I really wonder if

>that's the best thing I can be doing.

>

>Thanks, Leann

I'm going to experiment with saving some of the cow innards that

I just don't eat currently, in a separate freezer. Get a good meat grinder,

grind em up and freeze them, then feed them to the chooks with some

cheaper grain (corn). They get lots of bugs and grass too.

Free range chickens love cow poop, so stomach contents are probably

good for them. One cow will feed a LOT of chickens, I think! Our last

steer had a 55 gallon drum of waste, and that was AFTER I took the liver,

heart, spleen, and lungs.

-- Heidi Jean