RE: Re: hybrids (was Question for Chi)

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In a message dated 7/9/04 8:27:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> >Oh, definitely. Remember that post way back I made about hybrids

> >and cobalt?

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> No, I don't remembet that.

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In a message dated 7/9/04 10:48:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ChrisMasterjohn@... writes:

> > >Oh, definitely. Remember that post way back I made about hybrids

> > >and cobalt?

> >

> > No, I don't remembet that.

K, I'll type it up again:

Walters, , _Eco-Farm: An Acres USA Primer_, pg 38, window:

Some of the success that have attended corn production my have been the

result of distorted accounting procedures. In terms of nutrients, open

pollinated

still has an enviable record. Adolph Steinbrown of Fairbanks, Iowa put the

matter in perspectivre by having two samples of corn tested for ingredietns

usually added to the commercial feeds. One was a sample of hybrids he had

grown.

The other was OP corn. The OP corn contained 19% more crude protein, 35%

more digestible protein, 60^ more copper, 27% more iron, and 25% more manganese.

Compared to some 4000 samples of corn tested in ten midwest states in a

single year, Steibronn's OP corn contained 75% more crude protein, 875% more

copper, 345% more iron, and 205% more manganese. The same trend has also been

seen

in the content of calcium, sodium, magnesium and zinc. It can therefore be

said that OP corn could contain an average of over 400% more of these nutrients.

Earnest M. Halbleib of McNabb, Illinois confirmed the failure of hybrid corn

to uptake certain mineral nutrients. In comparing Krug OP corn and a hybrid

in the laboraty of Armour's Institute of Research, Chicago, spectrographic

testing revealed the hybrid short of nine minerals. The hybrid failed to pick

up

cobalt and any other trace minerals. Both varieties had the same chance to

pick up a balanced ration.

" The reason I mentioned cobalt, " wrote Halbleibl, " is that we found (on the

16 farms in test) that no hybrid picked up cobalt, and in all the tests the

hybrid was short seven to nine minerals, always exhibiting a failure to pick up

cobalt. "

The core of vitamin B12 is cobalt. Ira , MD, and others have found

that a lack of cobalt is implicated as a cause of brucellosis and undulant

fever, and cobalt is part of the cure.

In the opinion of many eco-farmers, hybrid corn merely masks poor farming by

producing bins and bushels without the nutrient goodies that are really corn's

reason for being.

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> Re: Re: hybrids (was Question for Chi)

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>Compared to some 4000 samples of corn tested in ten midwest states in a

>single year, Steibronn's OP corn contained 75% more crude protein,

>875% more

>copper, 345% more iron, and 205% more manganese. The same trend

>has also been seen

>in the content of calcium, sodium, magnesium and zinc. It can

>therefore be

>said that OP corn could contain an average of over 400% more of

>these nutrients.

WOW! Now I know what Chi meant when he said as long as the organic movement

allows hybrids, it's not moving toward more nutritious food. If this corn

study is any indication, then it seems *any* movement that permits hybrids

is moving in the *opposite* direction of nutritional quality - FAR, FAR

away.

Thanks for taking the time to write that up again!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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> Re: Re: hybrids (was Question for Chi)

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>> >

>> >Compared to some 4000 samples of corn tested in ten midwest states

>in a

>> >single year, Steibronn's OP corn contained 75% more crude protein,

>> >875% more

>> >copper, 345% more iron, and 205% more manganese. The same trend

>> >has also been seen

>> >in the content of calcium, sodium, magnesium and zinc. It can

>> >therefore be

>> >said that OP corn could contain an average of over 400% more of

>> >these nutrients.

>>

>> WOW! Now I know what Chi meant when he said as long as the organic

>movement

>> allows hybrids, it's not moving toward more nutritious food. If

>this corn

>> study is any indication, then it seems *any* movement that permits

>hybrids

>> is moving in the *opposite* direction of nutritional quality - FAR,

>FAR

>> away.

>>

>> Thanks for taking the time to write that up again!

>>

>>

>>

>> Suze Fisher

>> Lapdog Design, Inc.

>> Web Design & Development

>> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

>> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

>> http://www.westonaprice.org

>>

>> ----------------------------

>> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

>cause

>> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -

>-

>> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

>Vanderbilt

>> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>>

>> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

>> <http://www.thincs.org>

>> ----------------------------

>

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> Re: hybrids (was Question for Chi)

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>---Hello Suze, I just haven't caught up with Dr. yet. He

>and Dr Ingham are conducting research and appprox.$700 4 day

>seminars. They apparently have some very worthwhile info. See some

>of their papers in ACRE's, USA publications(and Sally is published

>there too!). And Dr Skow's book, Farming in the 21st Century is one

>of my most used references. However, the soilfoodweb is exciting

>cause in productive soil, it's bacT,fungi etc, take care of lots of

>things naturally.

Reams and Andersen get into this too. I'd be surprised if Skow didn't since

he was an apprentice of Reams.

I still have problems with weeds (I don't know much

>about compost)and we still need moisture in a timely manner as well

>as aerated soils. So far I am listening (on about my 4th listen to

>them)

>to soilfoodweb's cd's in some spare time on the job and applying

>compost tea on some crops(on the farm). There's some benefits to a

>LABORatory job. Dennis Kemnitz

It would be great if you took before and after brix readings on your crops

every time you do something different to the soil so you can see what is

working and what isn't. Are you already doing that?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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