Re: Stomach acid Question

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>I have researched the drugs on the internet to try t okeep my mum

>informed. HOwever, from memory of conversations here, I have an

>inkling that decreasing her stomach acid is not going to be the best

>thing for her in the long run. Does anyone have any thoughts about

>this? Will these harm her, heal her, or just mask the problem for a

>while?

ACK! NO NO NO NO NO!

First, ask the question: Did they actually CHECK to see if she has too

much stomach acid? 9 out of 10 times, the person has TOO LITTLE

stomach acid. The little sphincter at the top closes tightly when

acid levels are high. There is a guy who has studied this extensively,

Dr. , in Tacoma, Washington, and he has a book " Why Stomach

Acid is Good For You " . Definitely, she should read it before she goes

on blockers.

Second, low stomach acid is a real problem. Dr. says it happens

as you get old ... from listening to folks in the gluten intolerance groups,

it seems that it can be a side-effect of gluten intolerance too. But

regardless of the cause, besides the reflux, it causes other digestive

problems. If the food isn't digested right, then the nutrients don't

get absorbed, the bacterial mix gets messed up, and you can be prone

to food poisoning.

Reflux IS a big problem, and it can lead to esophogeal cancer. Gluten

intolerant folks get eso. cancer a lot for that reason. But the first thing

is to figure out WHY she's getting the reflux. It can be a lot of things,

including food intolerances, being overweight, low stomach acid, or

bending over on a full stomach (I was doing that while weeding, bad

idea!).

>She takes l-glutamine and zinc and pancreatin for her digestion (she

>has long term digestive problems, and I buy her these) and these all

>seem to really help her feel much much better - her skin is improved,

>as well as her digestion. However, the Dr told her that unless she

>takes the drugs he prescribed, she won't be cured.

Dr. suggests HCL if stomach acid is low, and some other

enzymes. I'd recommend testing for IgA food intolerances, or

the IgG tests (York labs has a good one that only takes a finger

prick). And/or experimenting with the major allergen foods ... eggs,

dairy, soy, wheat, corn. I was always told that " spicy " foods cause

reflux, but in fact I don't get it at all from spicey foods, but I do

from some packaged foods that I wouldn't think would be a problem

at all.

Also, I was reading recently about fructose ... a LOT of people don't

seem to digest it correctly, which is odd, but folks with strange

digestive problems should probably be tested for fructose digestion issues.

It's a breath test, they test for hydrogen levels after drinking a fructose

solution. Since fructose is in so many foods, it can be a " hidden culprit " ,

esp. since most of us figure eating fruit is a good thing in general.

Google on " fructose hydrogen " ...

But at the least, she should ask the doctor to test her stomach

acid levels before lowering them ...

-- Heidi Jean

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> ACK! NO NO NO NO NO!

>

> First, ask the question: Did they actually CHECK to see if she has

too

> much stomach acid?

Heidi

Thanks for your words of wisdom... I'm not exactly sure what tests

she has had. A couple or 3 years ago, she had a test where they

inserted cameras into her stomach and had a look see. Saw

redness/soreness at the entrance to the stomach, which indicates

reflux. That's all I know, because that's all my mum knows! I

suspect they haven't tested acid levels.

Jo

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>Heidi

>Thanks for your words of wisdom... I'm not exactly sure what tests

>she has had. A couple or 3 years ago, she had a test where they

>inserted cameras into her stomach and had a look see. Saw

>redness/soreness at the entrance to the stomach, which indicates

>reflux. That's all I know, because that's all my mum knows! I

>suspect they haven't tested acid levels.

>

>Jo

In Dr. 's book he has some easy things to try to fix

reflux, without lowering acid levels. Also there is the " burp "

test ... take 1/4 tsp. of baking soda in 8 oz of water, first

thing in the morning. I forget exactly what the time levels

are, but if you burp quickly (less than 1-2 minutes) then you

have high stomach acid levels, if it takes more than that they

are lower. Some people never burp at all!

A doctor prescribed some Pepcid to me after checking that

my heartburn wasn't a heart attack ... they really *don't*

check the acid levels, generally. The idea is to save the

esophagus ... reflux IS bad, and a person shouldn't have to

live with it, but low stomach acid will lead to even more

problems. I wonder if you called Dr. in Tacoma if he'd

have a recommendation for someone in your area?

About 1 in 10 people really DO have too much stomach acid, BTW,

so it's not out of the range of possibility.

-- Heidi Jean

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In a message dated 4/26/2005 5:49:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

BG64@... writes:

What fats should I eat? If I put butter in my soft boiled eggs I feel

nauseous.

Eat well marbled beef and ground beef. Use olive oil, butter. Omega 3s are

good. Put olive oil in your salads. Get a good brand. For an O your body

fuel is fat not carbs.

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In a message dated 4/26/2005 5:49:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

BG64@... writes:

But the

doctors say I don't have GERD. This is why I'm so confused.

They also say you don't have a problem.

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Welcome

Your symptoms are pretty classic for Candida (yeast). Right down to the doctors

saying there is nothing wrong with you.

Don't worry about short term usage on the HCL. As long as you need them they

will be good for you. I would take 1 to 3 digestive aids with meals depending

on the size of the meal. You shouldn't need more than that and can decrease as

you get better. If 3 don't work you have eaten way too bad and need to improve

what you are eating.

An O type diet is a good anti-candida diet, so follow it, but to really improve

you probably need some supplementation beside the HCL.

Do you have a good local health food store (not GNC)? They should carry a

couple different formulas for candida. They might recommend one they have had

good results with or if you can tell me the brands they have I could give you my

suggestion.

I would also suggest a good acidophilus (refrigerated), again if you can tell me

the brands they have I can suggest. And some Grape Seed Extract.

And for added digestive benefit the NOW Super Enzymes is one of my favorite.

These things would get you started. You should see improvement within a couple

weeks but it usually takes time for full results as it is something that has

been building in you for awhile.

I would start slowly on the Anti-Candida formula and build up to max dose with

plenty of water and the Grape Seed X and even Vit C so as to minimize a healing

reaction. The Acidophilus I would do 2 caps 2 x a day for maybe a month. Then

once a day for many months.

Please let me know what you are doing and results you are getting so we can make

sure we maximize your results.

Best Regards

KM

BG64@... wrote:

Hello, I've had such poor digestion for so long, and doctors are worthless,

so I'm on my own. I just found this list, hope someone can help.

From all of the symptom lists I've read online, I believe that I am lacking

sufficient HCL (hydrochloric acid). So last night, when my stomach was hurting

really bad, I took a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in 1/4 cup water and

the relief was immediate. I can't believe how great I slept. So today I bought

some HCL capsules at the health food store. I got Soloray " HCL with Pepsin " -

it has Betaine HCL, Glutamic Acid HCL, Pepsin and Papaya Leaf. I read online

to start with one, and add another with each major meal until you feel acid

pain. Then take 1/4 tsp. of baking soda in water to neutralize the acid, and

decrease the number of HCL capsules by 1. I also read that you should only take

HCL capsules short-term.

* Did I do this right? Do I have my information correct?

* Should I also be taking a digestive enzyme with each meal?

* What does it feel like when you've taken too much HCL? I have ongoing

heartburn, nausea, stomach pain, etc. Will it feel different from my daily

symptoms?

* How short is " short-term " ? A week? Two weeks?

I've been miserable for so long, and the doctors keep running their tests and

telling me that I'm in perfect health. If that were the case I wouldn't feel

sick to my stomach all day. I feel like I'm carrying around rocks in my

stomach. It hurts to have anything press against my stomach or abdomen, even

clothing. I feel hungry all the time, but food makes me ill. How can there be

nothing wrong with me if I feel so sick all the time?

Can anyone help?

Love, Jen

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In a message dated 4/26/2005 9:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

BG64@... writes:

So even

though I am only eating chicken, beef, eggs and vegetables, I

still have a " sickness " .

Give your body time to heal. There are some folks here who are really

knowlegeable about taking soothing herbs while you heal.

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In a message dated 4/26/2005 10:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

BG64@... writes:

I'll get some olive oil tomorrow.

Make sure you get a good brand. Some of them are blends of other oils like

canola. Really pissed me off when I found that out. Read the ingredients. It

should be from olives pressed at their company farm. Get extra virgin olive

oil. It's really good for you.

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Thank you, Max. Yes, I used to eat LOTS of wheat, coffee, sugar,

cheese, all the stuff that would probably make Dr. D'Adamo

scream at me. A friend told me about the Eat Right diet, and

about this group, and so I don't eat the bad stuff anymore. But

from what you've said, the damage has been done. So even

though I am only eating chicken, beef, eggs and vegetables, I

still have a " sickness " . Not eating the bad stuff is stopping the

diarrhea, but I'm still sick.

I am definitely going to do that lab test that I read on the

message boards. Someone else who is also sick all the time is

having the CDSA test done, I'll probably do that as well. I think I've

done a lot of damage to my body, I just need to make sure that it

can be fixed with diet.

Why don't doctors tell us these things? I've been sick for years

but not one doctor ever asked me what I'm eating. I hate them

all. (Sorry, I'm upset.)

Thanks again, Jen

> Well, this is my humble opinion about what may be going on. If

you're eating

> a lot of avoids like wheat, coffee, etc., it's changing the pH in

your

> stomach and making you sick. It's also stripping away the

protective mucus along

> the lining of your small intestine and allowing the avoid lectins

directly into

> your blood stream (irritable bowl syndrome) that may cause

rashes and other

> skin maladies. I have an O friend who lives on cheesy toast,

coffee, and cokes

> and then wonders why she has horrific reflux, cramps, and

skin rashes. But,

> hey, she's losing weight so I must be crazy in her opinion.

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> They also say you don't have a problem.

Yes, that's right. Last week I was told that I had to learn to

eliminate stress from my life. I'm in my 40s and I can certainly tell

the difference between a stomach ache caused by stress and a

physical illness. My stress is due to my pain. I'm not going back

to that doctor. It's obvious to me that when I can stop the diarrhea

by not eating certain foods that food has a lot to do with how sick

I feel. I will get more of the fats you mentioned into my diet. I

bought some flax oil today. I'll get some olive oil tomorrow. Thank

you.

Love, Jen

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> Welcome

>

> Your symptoms are pretty classic for Candida (yeast). Right

> down to the doctors saying there is nothing wrong with you.

Thank you, Kathy. Your message has a lot of information and is

very helpful. I'm going to the health store tomorrow to see what

they have, I'll post my options to the group. I just checked the

website for that lab (www.gsdl.com) and their test called " CDSA "

looks like what I need. It checks for yeast. But I'll get on a yeast

solution right away, as you suggest.

I can tell you the health store has about 20 different kinds of

acidophilus, I noticed them in their refrigerator. I'll see if they

have Now enzymes.

I feel like I'm having a heart attack all the time, my pulse races

and I feel dizzy. (If you guessed that the doctors tell me there's

nothing wrong with me, you guessed right.) The pain is in the

center of my stomach, right where the belly button is. It goes from

mild to severe throughout the day. I always feel like I'm running a

fever, but it's normal. I'm going to do some reading about

Candida and will start taking something for it tomorrow. Thank

you so much.

Love, Jen

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Jen,

Max can tell you, you will feel better and in time you will heal a lot by

staying on the diet. Kathy Mathews always has good advise as well as others on

this list, including Max. Soon as you can it might be wise to find if you are a

secretor or non-secretor, as this will also determine what is best for you to

have and what to avoid.

Re: Stomach acid question

Thank you, Max. Yes, I used to eat LOTS of wheat, coffee, sugar,

cheese, all the stuff that would probably make Dr. D'Adamo

scream at me. A friend told me about the Eat Right diet, and

about this group, and so I don't eat the bad stuff anymore. But

from what you've said, the damage has been done. So even

though I am only eating chicken, beef, eggs and vegetables, I

still have a " sickness " . Not eating the bad stuff is stopping the

diarrhea, but I'm still sick.

I am definitely going to do that lab test that I read on the

message boards. Someone else who is also sick all the time is

having the CDSA test done, I'll probably do that as well. I think I've

done a lot of damage to my body, I just need to make sure that it

can be fixed with diet.

Why don't doctors tell us these things? I've been sick for years

but not one doctor ever asked me what I'm eating. I hate them

all. (Sorry, I'm upset.)

Thanks again, Jen

> Well, this is my humble opinion about what may be going on. If

you're eating

> a lot of avoids like wheat, coffee, etc., it's changing the pH in

your

> stomach and making you sick. It's also stripping away the

protective mucus along

> the lining of your small intestine and allowing the avoid lectins

directly into

> your blood stream (irritable bowl syndrome) that may cause

rashes and other

> skin maladies. I have an O friend who lives on cheesy toast,

coffee, and cokes

> and then wonders why she has horrific reflux, cramps, and

skin rashes. But,

> hey, she's losing weight so I must be crazy in her opinion.

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Hey

Have you had any medical tests (blood work & such) done that had any high or low

readings?

If so, what were they?

How long ago did you notice your problem starting?

Are you taking any meds now? Have you been on any other meds?

KM

jennybg64 <BG64@...> wrote:

> Welcome

>

> Your symptoms are pretty classic for Candida (yeast). Right

> down to the doctors saying there is nothing wrong with you.

Thank you, Kathy. Your message has a lot of information and is

very helpful. I'm going to the health store tomorrow to see what

they have, I'll post my options to the group. I just checked the

website for that lab (www.gsdl.com) and their test called " CDSA "

looks like what I need. It checks for yeast. But I'll get on a yeast

solution right away, as you suggest.

I can tell you the health store has about 20 different kinds of

acidophilus, I noticed them in their refrigerator. I'll see if they

have Now enzymes.

I feel like I'm having a heart attack all the time, my pulse races

and I feel dizzy. (If you guessed that the doctors tell me there's

nothing wrong with me, you guessed right.) The pain is in the

center of my stomach, right where the belly button is. It goes from

mild to severe throughout the day. I always feel like I'm running a

fever, but it's normal. I'm going to do some reading about

Candida and will start taking something for it tomorrow. Thank

you so much.

Love, Jen

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Jen, don't dispair,keep up with the diet. Dr. D'adamo has said, that the

damage from wheat etc, can take up to 2 years to repair, but it will get

better, believe me. Now I only get stomach aches when I eat things I ought

not to.LOL

Emmi

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Whe my daughter was about 12 years old her stomach pains had her doubled over

about once a week. She had been having them for a couple of years, at first

once every few months and then fairly regularly. She described it as chest pain

but her doctor determined it to be her stomach, probably an over production of

acid. They did an ecg to be sure her heart was ok and then prescribed Tagament

( this was before the newer acid blockers) and wanted to do an endoscopy. I was

already reading about the blood type diet (she's an O) and decided to try DGL

before the doctors did anything. The results were immediate. I think she had

one more moderate attack. After that she gradually stopped the DGL. Occasionly

the pain would start and she'd start taking the for a while and it always

worked. I ordered it from NAP on D'Adamo's web site. The DGL seemed to have a

real healing effect. It might be worth a try. The only DGL I could ever find

in the health food store was a chewable and I can't

vouch for that but the NAP brand (capsules you swallow) worked.

Just another idea to think about.

jennybg64 <BG64@...> wrote:

> Welcome

>

> Your symptoms are pretty classic for Candida (yeast). Right

> down to the doctors saying there is nothing wrong with you.

Thank you, Kathy. Your message has a lot of information and is

very helpful. I'm going to the health store tomorrow to see what

they have, I'll post my options to the group. I just checked the

website for that lab (www.gsdl.com) and their test called " CDSA "

looks like what I need. It checks for yeast. But I'll get on a yeast

solution right away, as you suggest.

I can tell you the health store has about 20 different kinds of

acidophilus, I noticed them in their refrigerator. I'll see if they

have Now enzymes.

I feel like I'm having a heart attack all the time, my pulse races

and I feel dizzy. (If you guessed that the doctors tell me there's

nothing wrong with me, you guessed right.) The pain is in the

center of my stomach, right where the belly button is. It goes from

mild to severe throughout the day. I always feel like I'm running a

fever, but it's normal. I'm going to do some reading about

Candida and will start taking something for it tomorrow. Thank

you so much.

Love, Jen

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Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote::

DGL is ????

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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.