Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 In a message dated 7/28/04 12:14:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, christiekeith@... writes: > this is how I do it too, but I actually in some ways find it easier > - > I have more power coming up from a full squat than going parallel. I agree > on the way down I'd really be glad to stop halfway. <G> I don't think it's overall " harder, " -- it's just that I have to do it with less weight. Stop squats, though, are definitely harder, IMO, and I use even less weight. You find a full squat easier even with as much weight as a regular squat? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 >> (I should note here that I am not doing typical squats, but full squats, so that my butt touches my calves, and I lean as forward as is possible without rounding my shoulders forward. So I naturally use less weight, as this is much harder than simply going to parallel.) << this is how I do it too, but I actually in some ways find it easier - I have more power coming up from a full squat than going parallel. I agree on the way down I'd really be glad to stop halfway. <G> I'm kind of having fun with this, but based on how much it cost you, it sounds like I need to push myself on the weight. However, I'm going to go up 5 lb at a time - like you, I don't have 1 pound incremental weights. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 In a message dated 7/28/04 12:09:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christiekeith@... writes: > Am I doing this wrong? I don't see any reason to think so. It seems reasonable that we could each react to it differently. For me, I think it is a matter of my muscles doing nearly twice as much work to do nearly twice as much movement with the full squat. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 >> You find a full squat easier even with as much weight as a regular squat? << Overall I find it easier, yes, but mostly because I find it very difficult to reverse direction from a partial squat. When I get to the bottom, I can sort of pause and gather my stength and then push back up, whereas when I stop at parallel, my legs are trembling with strain even with me not moving. I've heard other lifters comment on this - this is where I learned about it: http://www.stumptuous.com/learnsquat.html Am I doing this wrong? Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Did you see the squat story on the mercola newsletter today? Is that what you guys are doing? This says to do a 100 'breathing' squats a day going all the way down. Goes on and on about how it's good for digestion and elimination and total body exercise. Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 VERY bad for people with bad knees though! Re: 20 rep squat Did you see the squat story on the mercola newsletter today? Is that what you guys are doing? This says to do a 100 'breathing' squats a day going all the way down. Goes on and on about how it's good for digestion and elimination and total body exercise. Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:27:31 -0400 " and Bart Barresi " <jeanbartbarresi@...> wrote: > VERY bad for people with bad knees though! > Re: 20 rep squat > > > Did you see the squat story on the mercola newsletter today? Is that what > you guys are doing? This says to do a 100 'breathing' squats a day going all > the way down. Goes on and on about how it's good for digestion and > elimination and total body exercise. > Elaine > Such is the conventional wisdom. For me, squatting helped to heal my knees. The talk show host Montel (avid weight trainer) also says the same thing. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:06:57 -0700 " Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote: > Overall I find it easier, yes, but mostly because I find it very difficult > to reverse direction from a partial squat. When I get to the bottom, I can > sort of pause and gather my stength and then push back up, whereas when I > stop at parallel, my legs are trembling with strain even with me not moving. > > I've heard other lifters comment on this - this is where I learned about it: > > http://www.stumptuous.com/learnsquat.html > > Am I doing this wrong? > > Christie > Great link by the way. Debunks all the myths about squatting. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Mercola's article (i don't think he wrote it) also said squats are the thing to get into to heal bad knees or injuries from doing squats. It was an interesting article from a group that has designed exercise to mimic the exercise hunter gatherers got. I would like more info but looks like you have to be trained or pay and arm and a leg for the videos. Elaine >> VERY bad for people with bad knees though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 >> Great link by the way. Debunks all the myths about squatting. << She's my weight lifting guru, but there is so much you lose, relying on something like this on the web. I wish I had a trainer like her! Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:21:17 -0700 " Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote: > >> Great link by the way. Debunks all the myths about squatting. << > > She's my weight lifting guru, but there is so much you lose, relying on > something like this on the web. I wish I had a trainer like her! > > Christie So true. When I started Olympic lifting, which consists of the snatch and clean and jerk, I hired a trainer. There is NO WAY one can learn to properly do those moves by looking at pictures or reading a description. During that time he also taught me how to squat properly (I was doing it wrong), convinced me of the silliness of parallel squats, showed me how to do front squats, and corrected my form in the deadlift, which, by his suggestion, I promptly gave up anyway. It was the best progress I ever made in weight training. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Check out his ( Chek) book Eat, Move and Be Healthy. I;ve just got it (did a swap with a trainer for one of my spare N/Ts) and it seems pretty good. Haven;'t got very far through it yet, but the book plus the link from Christie should be enough to learn a good squat. cheers, deb --- In , " Elaine " <itchyink@s...> wrote: > Mercola's article (i don't think he wrote it) also said squats are the thing > to get into to heal bad knees or injuries from doing squats. It was an > interesting article from a group that has designed exercise to mimic the > exercise hunter gatherers got. I would like more info but looks like you > have to be trained or pay and arm and a leg for the videos. > Elaine > >> VERY bad for people with bad knees though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 In a message dated 7/29/04 1:15:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slethnobotanist@... writes: > and corrected my form in the deadlift, which, by his > suggestion, I promptly gave up anyway. Why? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:40:47 EDT ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > In a message dated 7/29/04 1:15:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > slethnobotanist@... writes: > > > > and corrected my form in the deadlift, which, by his > > suggestion, I promptly gave up anyway. > > Why? > > -chris > It was redundant. All the advantages of the deadlift were contained in the other other exercises I was doing without any of the disadvantages. My deadlift went up dramatically when I *stopped* deadlifting. http://www.strengthcats.com/nodeadlift.htm War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 In a message dated 8/2/04 3:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slethnobotanist@... writes: > It was redundant. All the advantages of the deadlift were contained in > the other other exercises I was doing without any of the disadvantages. > My deadlift went up dramatically when I *stopped* deadlifting. Thanks. It's not reduntant to me, since I don't do good mornings or olympic pulls, but I'll look into it. I belive deadlifts overtrain the lower back. I HATE driving the day after I deadlift-- it's a lower back nightmare. I don't know anything about olympic lifting, but it sounds similar to kettlebell training (kettlebell training with a barbell?). The exercises have the same names, and both are based on explosive movements, etc. Tsatsouline says the same type of thing they say there about OL -- he mentions a controlled study that found that people who trained with kettlebells and only kettlebells outperformed another group on squat, dl, bp, meter dash, etc, that trained for the very exercises they were being tested on. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I did the 20-rep squat again today (again, full squats, not parallel squats). Last week I did 20 reps of 135 and 18 of 145, not completing the set because of a headache creeping up and breath depletion. Today I did 20 of 145 fine. I didn't feel exhausted after it like last time, either, but jumped up and started running when I put it down. Then I did 20 of 140. I rested 4 or 5 minutes in between I think next week I'll do two sets of 145, then increase the first set 5 lbs the next week, but not the second, and then do two sets of 150, etc. Since I don't have any 1-lb weights, this will be the equivalent of increasing 2.5 lbs per week instead of 5 lbs, I suppose. It's sort of mentally exhausting, because there's such a long time period between when you start to really feel it and when you stop. I'll only continue it if the promise of extra growth rings true-- so I'll do it for about a month and see what happens. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 > -----Original Message----- > From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...] > > It's sort of mentally exhausting, because there's such a long > time period between when you start to really feel it and when > you stop. I'll only continue it if the promise of extra > growth rings true-- so I'll do it for about a month and see > what happens. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no matter how much you exercise, you're not going to be able to add more than one growth ring per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 >> It's sort of mentally exhausting, because there's such a long >> time period between when you start to really feel it and when >> you stop. I'll only continue it if the promise of extra >> growth rings true-- so I'll do it for about a month and see >> what happens. > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no matter how much you exercise, > you're not going to be able to add more than one growth ring per year. > ROFL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Although i'm not totally clear on the hows and whys of the 20-rep squat (i didn't read the beginning threads), i played with the concept at the gym today and did four sets of 20 reps. It almost killed me! I'm of average fitness and could do 110-120 pounds on the leg extension and hamstring curl machines. For my first two sets of squats i used an 18-pound bar from the aerobics room. The second 10 reps of both sets were hard, esp. the last few -- lots of grunting on my part. The second two sets i didn't use any weight and they were still very hard as my legs were quite tired by then. By the fourth set i was helping myself out by pushing a little on my thighs with my hands. I got quite out of breath with all four sets. Otherwise it felt ok on my knees and back. As i tired i felt myself want to lean further forward but resisted the temptation. Now my legs are tired as hell and i'll probably get really, really sore. I was very noodly at the end. Seems like good exercise! I need to get informed to find some good complements, like the deadlift i suppose. Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2004 Report Share Posted August 23, 2004 On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:16:08 EDT ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > In a message dated 8/2/04 3:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > slethnobotanist@... writes: > > > > It was redundant. All the advantages of the deadlift were contained in > > the other other exercises I was doing without any of the disadvantages. > > My deadlift went up dramatically when I *stopped* deadlifting. > > Thanks. It's not reduntant to me, since I don't do good mornings or olympic > pulls, but I'll look into it. I belive deadlifts overtrain the lower back. I > HATE driving the day after I deadlift-- it's a lower back nightmare. LOL! Deadlifts used to kill my lower back. > > I don't know anything about olympic lifting, but it sounds similar to > kettlebell training (kettlebell training with a barbell?). The exercises have the > same names, and both are based on explosive movements, etc. Tsatsouline says > the same type of thing they say there about OL -- he mentions a controlled study > that found that people who trained with kettlebells and only kettlebells > outperformed another group on squat, dl, bp, meter dash, etc, that trained for the > very exercises they were being tested on. I could be wrong but I think olympic lifting preceded kettlebell training. Tsatsouline says in his book the Naked Warrior that his goal is to apply the benefits of olympic lifting and powerlifting to bodyweight exercises. I also think I read that in regards to kettlebell training, i.e. a way to gain the benefits of olympic lifting with minimal equipment. I love the snatch and clean and jerk and the various assistance exercises that go along with learning them. I love the idea of being strong and explosive without being big. Except for the super heavyweights it is amazing how strong olympic lifters are and yet relatively thin compared to bodybuilders and powerlifters. Check out the current Olympic competition if you can. Hopefully one day I will be good enough to compete in competitions. It is one of those sports you can do for life. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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