BBC News /Women docs weaken medicine

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In a message dated 8/2/04 1:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Sheesh, that would be a disaster. Imagine if medicine had to compete on

> it's actual ability to cure and prevent disease.

:-O

Next thing you know, government would be competing on its ability to protect

and adjudicate!

Chris

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The author of this statement is herself a woman.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3527184.stm

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> BBC News /Women docs weaken medicine

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>The author of this statement is herself a woman.....

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>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3527184.stm

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> > wait, what?

> > how terribly short-sighted. maybe in THIS century it's been dominated by

> > (gak, did she really say *white* males?). but for the rest of human

> > history, healing has been largely a womanly art.

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>yes, but that's the point. to women and their shapeless minds it's " art. "

>it wasn't until men took it over that it gained such Power and

>Influence. just

>look at how a midwife would have treated someone, versus the dramatic Power

>of mercury treatment. the massive vomiting following the treatment shows

>that

>something is *happening*. it is better to do much, than to do little. what

>women doctors ever successfully forged a government-backed cartel? they had

> " art " but not Influence.

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>you know, historians have such vigorous hatred for peace. all of the

>presidents that presided over times of peace and economic prosperity are

>ranked the

>lowest of all by historians... usually because they " didn't accomplish

>anything. " it is never posited that the peace and prosperity existed

>precisely

>BECAUSE they " didn't accomplish anything. " thus, the historians rate the

>war-mongerers and centralist tyrants highest of all. they *caused*

>things. they caused

>glorious and violent upheavels, like the violent upheavals of mercury-induced

>vomit. they achieved centralization of power, like the cartels of allopathic

>doctors. they advanced the progress and breadth of Government, like the

>licensing of allopathic doctors.

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>it is better to achieve much, than to achieve little, and to achieve it

>loudly, than to achieve it peacefully. the neverending story of history.

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>chris

wow, what is it with today? nix and i were *just* sitting on the couch

saying like, almost exactly this same thing (except directly in relation to

christians and not government. same story, different noun). and some

co-workers and i are ranting about it too...it's like, auspicious day for

[whatever type of conversation this is]...

-katja

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>Gosh, women docs make the medical profession lose it's influence and status?

>What a monumental disaster it would be if allopathic medicine lost it's

>influence and status. All those folks they harm and kill annually might

>actually survive without such influence. Which means we'd probably have to

>start looking for other methods of effective population control.

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>Suze Fisher

Sheesh, that would be a disaster. Imagine if medicine had to compete on

it's actual ability to cure and prevent disease.

--- Heidi Jean

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> At 11:24 AM 8/2/2004, you wrote:

> > " She added: " We are feminising medicine. It has been a profession

dominated

> >by white males. What are we going to have to do to ensure it

retains its

> >influence? "

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> wait, what?

> how terribly short-sighted. maybe in THIS century it's been

dominated by

> (gak, did she really say *white* males?). but for the rest of human

> history, healing has been largely a womanly art.

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> what*ever*

> -katja

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Hmm, this article raises a really urgent concern, and it made me

realize an even larger danger we are facing--that our pioneering and

innovating food corporations and the government agencies that nobly

assist and protect them might also be losing their influence and

status. With all this weird and scary stuff like organic farming,

homemade food, grain-less diets, unpasteurized foods, etc, I'm

worried that the true experts and leaders in the area of food--the

people who have degrees and jobs in this field and work for

respectable, successful, large organizations--will lose the respect

and influence they obviously deserve. Without people like this to

trust and turn to when we have difficult questions about Eating, we

face chaos and confusion. It's a scary thought. I think we should

all think twice about being so aggressive with all our goofy,

unauthorized, quaint explorations of non-standard food and medicine.

For all our good intentions, we may be unravelling the fabric of

society, which is obviously based on trust in specialized professions

like Medical Treatment and Food Production.

And I certainly am not racist or sexist, but it's just an historical

fact that *white males* have been more *successful* at these things.

That's just a neutral, historical observation. If we are too careless

we will slip back into the primitive times when women, Asians,

Africans, etc were allowed to faff around without the support of the

important, powerful, and influential organizations that were finally

invented and mastered by white males in recent centuries after all

the chaos and confusion of earlier times. Whether we like it or not,

we just need to accept the fact that white males have figured out the

best way to do things. That's just a neutral, historical observation.

Yours in grave concern,

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

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I didn't read this whole thread so someone may have pointed this out

already, but one thing that really grabs me is how they say " Women in

medicine weaken medicine " or words to that effect, instead of saying,

" Anti-female prejudice weakens medicine. "

Physician heal thyself. <G>

Christie

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> Re: BBC News /Women docs weaken medicine

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>I didn't read this whole thread so someone may have pointed this out

>already, but one thing that really grabs me is how they say " Women in

>medicine weaken medicine " or words to that effect, instead of saying,

> " Anti-female prejudice weakens medicine. "

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>Physician heal thyself. <G>

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>Christie

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Christie,

What the person who was made these statements was talking about is the fact

that many women docs are constrained by child-rearing in the way that male

docs aren't. Therefore they tend not to go into the more demanding

specialties, or, IIRC, rise up through the ranks to higher positions due to

interruptions in their career from child-rearing. I don't recall her saying

anything to the effect that women are not as competent, so didn't really see

it as anti-female prejudice. Of course, several ridiculous things were said

to the effect that, due to the effects of the above-mentioned constraints,

medical docs would lose power and influence, as if power and influence of

the medical profession were a worthy end unto itself.

Suze Fisher

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