Re: Detox period? Symptoms?

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Hi le (are you from the SL boards?)

My 18ds is also having physical meltdowns and very reactionary attitudes. He

was drinking 2-3 soda pops a day, and his meals were mainly fast food or

microwaved ramen noodles (he isn't home much these days between work and his

band responsibilities) He stopped all that cold turkey, not because I was

changing our diet at home, but because the gang he has been hanging with lately

are all health gurus (just ask 'em). Well....he has had severe migraines, and

NO energy. Like he can't even walk up the stairs. He can't get out of bed, and

has completely lost his appetite. He feels clammy to the touch, but no fevers

or other 'sick' symptoms. I told him his body is craving it's 'drugs', and it

is complaining loudly! Poor guy. He's trying really hard, and I'm trying to

give him easily digestable foods (he won't do fermented veggies yet, but soups,

soaked oatmeal, and eggs seem to help.)

I don't know when this will end for him. Everyone else seems to only have minor

symptoms, some nasty diapers for the little guy, some grouchiness in the 3

girls. My 5 yo thinks soaked/fermented oatmeal is the best food ever invented,

lol. The hardest change is that they can't just open up the pantry and grab

junk food anymore....snacks and lunches take prep time now. The microwave will

be disappearing this weekend, and I'm bracing myself for the onslaught of

complaints ( " You mean we have to use the stove/oven to heat up leftovers?????

GASP!!!!)

I'm really going to try this week to stock the cupboards with healthy snacks and

finger foods from that chapter. My Pepitas were a hit, as was a slice of

sprouted bread with a slathering of raw honey. They also love eggs, so I'll

make sure there is plenty of those, and I'm going to make the fermented salsa

and homemade sprouted pita chips.....maybe some of the cookies too. I really

don't want the kids to feel deprived. It's bad enough that we've started

schooling already....much earlier than usual. )

Hope things look up for you soon. Wish I could offer more help as to the

timeframe for getting thru physical symtoms of detoxing....I know for recovering

alcoholics, oatmeal is supposed to be a tremendous boon....

peace~

cindy

Detox period? Symptoms?

I somehow expected that easing into this diet slowly would allow us

to skip any adverse reactions. My husband is complaining of

headaches, the children are a bit irritable in general, but 15ds is

having meltdowns.

So far I've replaced the table sugar with Rapadura, replaced the

salt with sea salt, and stopped cooking our foods in cooking oil.

I've found a local source for raw honey, and I pick up our first

order of raw dairy products this weekend. Other than that, we still

have plenty of sugar/flour/fat products in the pantry--as they eat

them we will replace them with better options.

I'm wondering if some of the symptoms really are mental? I, myself,

haven't noticed much change, however I've been gluten-free for 15

years and eating NT isn't such a shock to my system. Is my family

just stressed over the idea of " change " in general?

Danelle in Kansas

[Guest guest]

Some will say there is no such thing as a healing crisis and much of it is

mental. I don't know if this is true or not, but I don't think there should be

such a strong detox from such small changes. Even junk food junkies who are

away from most of their 'food' for a few days don't have such strong reactions.

it's possible to have withdrawals from caffiene (a chemical) that are very

strong. it includes headaches, shaking, irritability etc. slowly eliminating

caffiene (and i bet sugar could have a similar affect) would help to stop that

reaction. drinking green tea is also an option, it has lower caffiene and

health benefits.

replacing sea salt and cooking oil are things that the family would not even

notice if you didn't tell them. in fact, i would say DON'T tell them. most NT

style foods are easily substituted for junk foods, they're almost gourmet.

don't pressure anyone and don't jump into things fast. it could lead to

rebelling! LOL. most change happens slowly. i've found that most people lack

the excitement about food and NT that we folks on these boards have. if you can

involve the family more, it helps. (take them to the farm for milk, let them

pick out some healthy snacks)

as for the microwave i keep mine around for convenience. i'm always asked to

bake sugary junk food for the office, which i gladly oblige to bring in. i melt

chocolate and heat up other things in the microwave. those folks have nothing

against junk food, and if they want to eat it, i'll give it to them. (they

sometimes even pay me to cook it). they caertainly don't care for healthy food

and i've learned that it's not worth my energy or love to make something good

for them. it just makes me feel bad when they don't care about it. the raw

eggs, dairy and other good stuff is for ME! oh, and the occasional chinese

food leftovers go in the micro too (hey, it's allready junk

good luck with the transition. you might also read:

http://www.westonaprice.org/transition/transition.html

all about making the transition!!!

--------- Detox period? Symptoms?

So far I've replaced the table sugar with Rapadura, replaced the

salt with sea salt, and stopped cooking our foods in cooking oil.

Is my family

just stressed over the idea of " change " in general?

Danelle in Kansas

[Guest guest]

At 09:33 AM 8/5/04 -0500, you wrote:

>My 18ds is also having physical meltdowns and very reactionary attitudes.

He was drinking 2-3 soda pops a day, and his meals were mainly fast

food or microwaved ramen noodles (he isn't home much these days between

work and his band responsibilities) He stopped all that cold turkey, not

because I was changing our diet at home, but because the gang he has been

hanging with lately are all health gurus (just ask 'em). Well....he has

had severe migraines, and NO energy. Like he can't even walk up the

stairs. He can't get out of bed, and has completely lost his appetite. He

feels clammy to the touch, but no fevers or other 'sick' symptoms. I told

him his body is craving it's 'drugs', and it is complaining loudly! Poor

guy. He's trying really hard, and I'm trying to give him easily digestable

foods (he won't do fermented veggies yet, but soups, soaked oatmeal, and

eggs seem to help.)

>

I've never had to deal with the changes in anyone else but myself, but this

sounds vaguely similar to something I experienced a while back, so here's

my suggestion, for what it's worth.

Take a piece of meat. Any meat. Pork chop, steak, whatever. Grab

some raw butter, lots of it, and pan-fry the thing to taste (preferably as

close to raw as palatable). Pour the pan drippings onto the meat. All

of them. Feed it to your son. Encourage him to sop up any remaining

drippings. Repeat regularly.

This worked wonders for me. It stopped the cravings and also helped me

lose weight.

Or fish. Broil some sort of fish and slather raw butter all over it.

(I was never too successful pan-frying fish, always ended up overcooked for

some reason.) Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Harvey " <cindy@t...>

wrote:

> Hi le (are you from the SL boards?)

Yes! (((waving))) Hello! What's your SL name--do I know you?

>

> My 18ds is also having physical meltdowns and very reactionary

attitudes. . . .I don't know when this will end for him. Everyone

else seems to only have minor symptoms, some nasty diapers for the

little guy, some grouchiness in the 3 girls. My 5 yo thinks

soaked/fermented oatmeal is the best food ever invented, lol.

How long has it been since you started changing the foods?

> The hardest change is that they can't just open up the pantry and

grab junk food anymore....snacks and lunches take prep time now.

Yep, we spend lots of time standing in front of the pantry (or

fridge) wondering what to eat.

> The microwave will be disappearing this weekend, and I'm bracing

myself for the onslaught of complaints ( " You mean we have to use the

stove/oven to heat up leftovers????? GASP!!!!)

You know, there are some things that I haven't even told dh . . .

much less the kids! Dh is very attached to his Teflon coated pans

and microwave oven. In fact, with a typical knee-jerk reaction, dh

went to the store last night and bought " healthy " junk food--AAACK!

He came home with all sorts of things marked " organic " or " whole

wheat " and of course spent all kinds of money. (((sigh))) We spent

30 minutes before he left discussing the kinds of changes to make

and the idea of not buying the sugar/flour/fat products so that we

would have money to spend on real food . . . he really does WANT to

change our diet, but he's not a detail person and I'm going to have

to do ALL the shopping for a while.

>

> I'm really going to try this week to stock the cupboards with

healthy snacks and finger foods from that chapter.

This is my plan, also. Just need a little wiggle room in the budget

to stock up on the necessary ingredients. Soon, soon.

Danelle in Kansas

[Guest guest]

>I'm wondering if some of the symptoms really are mental? I, myself,

>haven't noticed much change, however I've been gluten-free for 15

>years and eating NT isn't such a shock to my system. Is my family

>just stressed over the idea of " change " in general?

>

>Danelle in Kansas

If that's the first time they've gone GF, then yeah, they'd be

having mental symptoms! Some people also react to dairy ... when

I started NT I started eating a lot of cream, and got problems

with it ... I seem to be pretty dairy intolerant but I never noticed

til I ate a lot of it.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> Yes! (((waving))) Hello! What's your SL name--do I know you?

I am Charvey at SL. I believe it was the link in your post there

that landed me here. )

We've been doing the food for only 2 weeks.