Re: Hand temerature training through NF

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TEMPERATURE - in case anyone was wondering! If there is a way to

edit this please let me know.

>

> I have a friend whose fingers get cold easily, turn white then

blue

> and become painful. As I have researched, this is perhaps a

function

> of increased sensitivity to cold as well as stress and tension

> triggering the fight or flight response (Reynaud's?). I see that

> there are hand temperature sensors on the market but was wondering

> if this could be incorporated into NF training.

>

> I have BioExplorer, QDS Focus and Journey to the Wild Divine and

was

> wondering if a combination of these would give me the feedback I

was

> looking to display. I know that JWD has finger sensors but do not

> see that they track finger temperature...unless Galvanic Skin

> Response can be used as a temperature reference. Maybe there is a

> module that actually tracks finger temp that I am not aware of. I

> would like for her to be able to see the temperature in her

fingers

> rise and fall as she relaxes or becomes more tense as a key part

of

> her feedback. To this end, does anyone have any suggestions?

>

> I am certain that doing a standard TLC assesment and training

would

> relieve this as well. Since TLC training is, as I see it,

relaxation

> training for the brain which normalizes ANS function it seems

> logical that the symptoms of loss of circulation in the

extremities

> due to stress would naturally fall away as one learns to relax.

> However, if I could incorporate the direct feedback of finger

> temperature as a threshold trigger, I think she would be more

> receptive to the training.

>

> All help appreciated!

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

,There are some good stand-along thermometers on the market; that's what I've used for temp training. You can find them with a Google search. The one I have http://www.cliving.org/stressthermometer.htm cost $20 and has a nice big digital display. You can set it to read time (clock) or room temperature or body temperature in Fahrenheit or Centigrade scales to 1/10 of one degree. The person holds the thermister lighly between finger and thumb and watches the display. You can certainly spend a lot more, but the thing is as accurate and as effective as any other system. So cheap in fact that you can get one for your office and one for the client to take home.

The problem is, as you mention, that people's extremities don't just get cold for no reason--and rarely is it related to outside temps unless everyone else around them's fingers are also turning blue. It is an autonomic response to very strong sympathetic activation (Raynaud's and tingling are actually parasympathetic responses, with blood rushing too fast back to the extremities). Of course a client can learn to relax, in most cases, with this training, but it won't solve the problem, because she'll have to notice that she's getting stressed, hands cold, then decide to implemement whatever she has learned, then do it. If you train the brain to change the strategic activation patterns that are holding this response in place, then the problem simply stops happening as automatically as it currently happens. Also, be aware that in cases of extreme sympathetic disturbances, clients actually have COLDER hands as they relax! I've seen several of these with very traumatized clients.

GSR is another measure of stress response. Wild Divine does measure GSR and Heart Rate Variability (perhaps the best of the current crop of these autonomic training approaches), so it probably will help as well. Still, in my experience, they are great for teaching people to relax, but if they truly have the brain strategies in place, they don't change what " just happens " ; they simply teach a client potential responses to it when it does.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

I have a friend whose fingers get cold easily, turn white then blue

and become painful. As I have researched, this is perhaps a function

of increased sensitivity to cold as well as stress and tension

triggering the fight or flight response (Reynaud's?). I see that

there are hand temperature sensors on the market but was wondering

if this could be incorporated into NF training.

I have BioExplorer, QDS Focus and Journey to the Wild Divine and was

wondering if a combination of these would give me the feedback I was

looking to display. I know that JWD has finger sensors but do not

see that they track finger temperature...unless Galvanic Skin

Response can be used as a temperature reference. Maybe there is a

module that actually tracks finger temp that I am not aware of. I

would like for her to be able to see the temperature in her fingers

rise and fall as she relaxes or becomes more tense as a key part of

her feedback. To this end, does anyone have any suggestions?

I am certain that doing a standard TLC assesment and training would

relieve this as well. Since TLC training is, as I see it, relaxation

training for the brain which normalizes ANS function it seems

logical that the symptoms of loss of circulation in the extremities

due to stress would naturally fall away as one learns to relax.

However, if I could incorporate the direct feedback of finger

temperature as a threshold trigger, I think she would be more

receptive to the training.