Re: NEW ~ ?'s about Vit D Toxicity ( Dosage?'s)

[Guest guest]

At 11:19 AM 8/11/2004, you wrote:

>a lot of healing and am able to eat most foods (we are

>all gluten free and I use sprouted ezekiel 4:9 bread

>or sour dough homemade bread)

>Should I start with a small dose say 1 tsp per day?

>And 1/2 tsp for my children?

>I had 4 TBSP of butter yesterday and had no cravings

>for ice cream!

>A Mom

i don't believe that ezekiel is gluten free...

-katja

[Guest guest]

> Hi! Thanks for the replys.

> I am going to get carlsons cod liver oil today.

This was just discussed on another group. In April on the WAPF

Chapter Leaders list, Sally said that Carlson's is now mixing the cod

liver oil with fish oil, and reducing the Vitamin A content due to

that ill-done study that said Vit A is toxic in high doses (that's

the one where the researchers didn't distinguish between the CLO some

subjects were given vs. the artificial Vit. A others were given--it's

been known for quite awhile that artificial Vit. A is toxic).

Carlson's gave in to supposed market pressure.

What WAPF is now recommending is Green Pasture's Blue Ice CLO. I

price compared, and per IU of Vit. A., it is 1/5 the expense, even

though the bottle is half the size! You'd have to take 5 times the

Carlson's now that they've diluted it. There are also a couple of

other brands WAPF considered, but the others were either preserved

iwth soy derivitives (yeeeuuuch) or didn't specifiy (scary). Blue

Ice is preserved with rosemary oil, which makes it taste a bit like

pizza, but you take so little it's no big deal.

HTH,

Tracey

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>

>

> This was just discussed on another group. In April on the WAPF

> Chapter Leaders list, Sally said that Carlson's is now mixing the cod

> liver oil with fish oil, and reducing the Vitamin A content due to

> that ill-done study that said Vit A is toxic in high doses (that's

> the one where the researchers didn't distinguish between the CLO some

> subjects were given vs. the artificial Vit. A others were given--it's

> been known for quite awhile that artificial Vit. A is toxic).

> Carlson's gave in to supposed market pressure.

>

> What WAPF is now recommending is Green Pasture's Blue Ice CLO. I

> price compared, and per IU of Vit. A., it is 1/5 the expense, even

> though the bottle is half the size! You'd have to take 5 times the

> Carlson's now that they've diluted it. There are also a couple of

> other brands WAPF considered, but the others were either preserved

> iwth soy derivitives (yeeeuuuch) or didn't specifiy (scary). Blue

> Ice is preserved with rosemary oil, which makes it taste a bit like

> pizza, but you take so little it's no big deal.

>

> HTH,

> Tracey

>

Hi Tracey,

This has been discussed more recently by the WAPF Chapter Leaders and

Sally. Carlson offers a 'low A' oil but they still offer their usual

one, too. The problem with Carlson seems to be that they aren't strict

enough about levels of contaminants, and they probably add synthetic

vitamins to the oil after processing to restore what is lost. We're

waiting to learn more so recommendations can be made about which oils

are best, all things considered. Nordic Naturals appears to be a good

choice, even though the levels of A and D are lower, because they

don't add back synthetic vitamins and their standards for purity are

much higher than most. Blue Ice seems good, too, but again, no

conclusions have been made fully and finally.

WAPF Chapter Leader, Vancouver, B.C. Canada

[Guest guest]

At 07:02 PM 8/11/2004, you wrote:

>What WAPF is now recommending is Green Pasture's Blue Ice CLO. I

>price compared, and per IU of Vit. A., it is 1/5 the expense, even

>though the bottle is half the size! You'd have to take 5 times the

>Carlson's now that they've diluted it. There are also a couple of

>other brands WAPF considered, but the others were either preserved

>iwth soy derivitives (yeeeuuuch) or didn't specifiy (scary). Blue

>Ice is preserved with rosemary oil, which makes it taste a bit like

>pizza, but you take so little it's no big deal.

>

>HTH,

>Tracey

tracey -

i couldn't quite tell if we'd decided on that or premiere - or if they were

actually the same thing under a different label. did you follow that?

-katja

[Guest guest]

> tracey -

> i couldn't quite tell if we'd decided on that or premiere - or if

they were

> actually the same thing under a different label. did you follow

that?

>

> -katja

From the discussion on the other list, it sounds like the oil source

is the same, but Green Pastures is preserving it with rosemary oil.

HTH,

Tracey

Tracey Rollison

Educational Consultant

Usborne Books at Home

(317)894-7040

Impacting Literacy, One Child at a Time

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Hi, ,

This is all good to know. When I did the comparison Sunday, I was

looking at my bottle of Carlson's that was nearly empty, and the A

content was really low compared to Green Pasture's. I also saw a new

bottle in a store Monday, and it was even lower and not labeled " low

A " .

Is there new info about what is being used to preserve the oil? In

the reprint of the discussion I saw, this was a concern. If I

remember right, Premiere (I think) used a soy-based E. Garden of

Life doesn't say the source of their E.

And I misspoke: I'd have to take 20t of Carlson's to get the same A

as in 2t of Green Pasture's, so I guess that makes it a tenth of the

cost?

Smiles,

Tracey

Tracey Rollison

Educational Consultant

Usborne Books at Home

(317)894-7040

Impacting Literacy, One Child at a Time

Change a life today--read with a child!

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and lap!

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> Hi Tracey,

>

> This has been discussed more recently by the WAPF Chapter Leaders

and

> Sally. Carlson offers a 'low A' oil but they still offer their usual

> one, too. The problem with Carlson seems to be that they aren't

strict

> enough about levels of contaminants, and they probably add synthetic

> vitamins to the oil after processing to restore what is lost. We're

> waiting to learn more so recommendations can be made about which

oils

> are best, all things considered. Nordic Naturals appears to be a

good

> choice, even though the levels of A and D are lower, because they

> don't add back synthetic vitamins and their standards for purity are

> much higher than most. Blue Ice seems good, too, but again, no

> conclusions have been made fully and finally.

>

>

>

> WAPF Chapter Leader, Vancouver, B.C. Canada

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

>When I did the comparison Sunday, I was looking at my bottle of

Carlson's that was nearly empty, and the A content was really low

compared to Green Pasture's. I also saw a new bottle in a store

Monday, and it was even lower and not labeled " low

> A " .

>

That's interesting. Only one store here (Vancouver, B.C. Canada) sells

Carlson's cod liver oil, but I've never used it, I have only looked at

the numbers listed on the Carlson Labs website. The concern seems to

be that the higher numbers in some of the oils (like Carlson's) are

not natural (coming from the cod liver oil) but from vitamins

(synthetic) added later to boost the levels to be acceptable to the

consumer. It seems that Green Pastures might not play around, which is

good. Nordic Naturals' A and D levels are very low compared to most

other oils, but they are (according to the company) truly what is in

the oil, and so far people I've spoken to, etc (including NDs) feel

that the product is very good. When Carlson has been contacted about

the vitamins in their oil, they have hedged, apparently. I experienced

this myself when I wrote to them - they simply didn't answer that

question. On a bottle of Nordic Naturals, a range of the A and D

content is listed, which makes sense to me because each batch of oil

(if natural) would differ (this is also according to some posts I have

read by knowledgable people stating that vitamin levels are different

depending on the variety of fish, when it's caught, etc).

> Is there new info about what is being used to preserve the oil? In

> the reprint of the discussion I saw, this was a concern. If I

> remember right, Premiere (I think) used a soy-based E. Garden of

> Life doesn't say the source of their E.

>

>

I'm not sure. I hope someone can answer this. I have been wondering

about CLOs (which ones are best) for a while. We definitely need a

'final' list of recommended products to choose from, because CLO is so

important.

>And I misspoke: I'd have to take 20t of Carlson's to get the same A

> as in 2t of Green Pasture's, so I guess that makes it a tenth of the

> cost?

Wow! That's an amazing difference!

> Smiles,

> Tracey

Smiles back,

[Guest guest]

> Re: NEW ~ ?'s about Vit D Toxicity ( Dosage?'s)

>

The concern seems to

>be that the higher numbers in some of the oils (like Carlson's) are

>not natural (coming from the cod liver oil) but from vitamins

>(synthetic) added later to boost the levels to be acceptable to the

>consumer. It seems that Green Pastures might not play around,

I'm sure Dave Wetzel is not playing around with his oil, nor is Radiant

Life. Their products are qualitatively different than the other oils because

they are " bottom of the barrel " which is where the vitamin concentration is

most dense. That is why they are referred to as " high vitamin CLO " . Most

oils are not bottom of the barrel which explains why they are so muc lower

in vits A and D.

Ron Schmid also carries the Blue Ice CLO, although it's not yet listed on

his website.

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