Re: Help! My tooth enamel is terrible and related things

[Guest guest]

>Someone I spoke to at the dental clinic told me that she had the same

>problem with her bladder. She wasn't diagnosed with IC (though she

>likely has it) but her ND suggested she take calcium supplements. That

>helped her - she no longer suffers with IC unless she doesn't take

>her calcium (2000 mg in supplements a day for her, which she knows is

>A LOT).

I never got this diagnosed, but it turns out certain foods DO trigger

something like it for me, and for at least several other people

on another group. The culprit is generally dairy ... next day, there

is this inability to go an hour without a potty stop. Very irritating!

The other person I know personally with this issue is ok on goat

milk kefir, but not cow milk in any form. She is GF also, but that

didn't stop the cystitis.

It probably does have to do with calcium though ... dairy triggers

migraines in me too, which are thought to be calcium related (migraines

are triggered by changes in the calcium channels in the brain). High

doses of calcium/magnesium get rid of migraines for a lot of folks.

I don't get either problem anymore, however I am on high doses

of calcium, and no dairy and no gluten. You might want to try

an elimination diet, like the Alpha Nutrition Program or just meat/vegies

for a week and see if that helps.

Weak enamel is a classic symptom for gluten intolerance though, and

personally I think that is what caused a lot of the symptoms in Price's

natives. The first generation to be exposed to wheat usually has the

worst problems. I suspect the damage has to do with the fact that

gluten intolerance messes up food absorption and usage ... so high

doses of Vit D or calcium or whatever might undo some of the damage.

But I'd get tested for gluten intolerance at the least ... you won't be able

to absorb those good nutrients you are eating if the villi in your intestine

are damaged.

-- Heidi Jean

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If you use the ascorbic acid powder I think you can mix it with water

and stir in a small amount of baking soda at a time until it stops fizzing.

Its supposed to neutralize the acid. Haven't tried it myself, but if you

are at the end of your rope it might be worth trying. Seems to me

that ascorbic acid (Vit. C?) comes in some forms which are already

buffered or maybe non-acid forms.

If the small amount of acid in some tablefoods bothers you maybe

after eating you could rinse with water which had a bit of baking soda

mixed in. The alkalinity of the soda neutralizes acids. Also, some

foods are natural buffers to acid so you might incorporate those foods

into your diet. Many dairy/cheese products are buffers.

Darrell

Message: 52974 From: C. Adler Received: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Help! My tooth enamel is terrible and related things

Ascorbic acid is a problem, too (the holistic dentist suggested this for

the day I get my amalgams removed. Not in an IV, but taken orally,

but that would be such hell for my bladder, I don't want to use it).

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>

Hello Heidi,

> The other person I know personally with this issue is ok on goat

> milk kefir, but not cow milk in any form. She is GF also, but that

> didn't stop the cystitis.

I have goat milk kefir, but I have butter and occassionally some raw

milk cheese. But I don't seem to feel worse after eating the cheese.

If anything, maybe I feel better, at least as far as the IC goes.

> It probably does have to do with calcium though ... dairy triggers

> migraines in me too, which are thought to be calcium related

(migraines are triggered by changes in the calcium channels in the

brain). High doses of calcium/magnesium get rid of migraines for a lot

of folks.

>

I get migraines from certain kinds of stress, and many perfumes and

even essential oils (no aromatherapy for me!), and red wine (I don't

drink any alcohol - don't care for it - so no problem).

>I don't get either problem anymore, however I am on high doses

> of calcium, and no dairy and no gluten. You might want to try

> an elimination diet, like the Alpha Nutrition Program or just

meat/vegies for a week and see if that helps.

I am currently avoidiing gluten. I stopped having wheat several months

ago, but my problems persist, so I'm avoiding gluten now to see if it

helps any of my ailments.

>

> Weak enamel is a classic symptom for gluten intolerance

Really? Wow! It may sound funny, but I would love it if that was the

problem, because I can easily avoid gluten (most people think of that

as deprivation, but it's not a big deal for me). What is the best test

for this? I'm not seeing an ND right now because I can't find one who

is WAP savvy enough here (Vancouver, B.C. Canada), but I realise that

for basic tests, it doesn't matter. I can get the results and go from

there.

~

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Darrell " <lazlo75501@y...>

wrote:

> If the small amount of acid in some tablefoods bothers you maybe

> after eating you could rinse with water which had a bit of baking

soda mixed in. The alkalinity of the soda neutralizes acids. Also,

some foods are natural buffers to acid so you might incorporate those

foods into your diet. Many dairy/cheese products are buffers.

>

> Darrell

>

Thank you, Darrell! There is actually a product in the U.S. (I'm in

Canada) called Prelief that supposedly helps by neutralizing the acid

in foods. It's made by the company that makes Beano and Lactaid. I

haven't tried it, though. Baking soda is much more economical, I

imagine. I had read about using it before, so thank you for reminding me.

~

[Guest guest]

> I never got this diagnosed, but it turns out certain foods DO

trigger

> something like it for me, and for at least several other people

> on another group. The culprit is generally dairy ...

That's the first time I've known anyone else to make a link with

dairy. I've never been diagnosed, but I have a few mild symptoms of

IC, and I have noticed I only get them when I eat dairy.

Thanks for the info

Jo

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At 10:22 PM 8/10/2004, you wrote:

>Any thoughts on this are appreciated. It seems I'm one of the unlucky

>ones who, even if I eat really well and avoid the usual problematic

>things (e.g. sticky, starchy/sugary things), I'll have problems. I was

>advised to use fluoride toothpaste again, or to use a fluoride rinse.

>The water here isn't fluoridated, so that's good. The dentist said

>ingesting fluoride is definitely not good, of course.

>

>Any help is appreciated. My dental bills are getting high because I

>don't have insurance, but I'm not being gouged, I just have expensive

>problems.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>

>

hi rachel:

it's gluten day!

you don't have expensive problems - you have celiac. if you were my

patient, this is what i'd tell you: go gluten free. don't get fluoride.

stop eating citrus, which is hard on enamel and which (except lemons) is

high in sugar. stop eating sugar. do that for a month, and if it's not

moving fast enough for you, then get butter oil to add to the CLO you're

already taking (not already taking? well, start!)

also, keep a journal of what you eat, what time, and any other relevant

info - it might look like this:

6am - woke up. slept pretty well.

9am - cheese and kimchi, raw milk

9:30 - bathroom

11 - bathroom

noon - bacon, hard boiled egg

12:30 - bathroom

blah blah...i felt cranky, 3pm tired, 3pm had lots of energy, etc...

this will help you notice if there are any other food sensitivities, as

well as giving you a good history to look back on in determining whether

things are getting better.

in 6 months, if you don't see results, THEN go see a doctor. but by then

i'm betting you won't need to.

-katja

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> hi rachel:

>

> it's gluten day!

> you don't have expensive problems - you have celiac. if you were my

> patient, this is what i'd tell you: go gluten free. don't get

fluoride. stop eating citrus, which is hard on enamel and which

(except lemons) is high in sugar. stop eating sugar. do that for a

month, and if it's not moving fast enough for you, then get butter oil

to add to the CLO you're already taking (not already taking? well,

start!) also, keep a journal of what you eat, what time, and any other

relevant

> info -

Hi Katja!

I HOPE that's it! I am doing just as you advised already, except for

the butter oil, plus I brushed my teeth with fluoride toothpaste again

yesterday. But I have avoided gluten (I have also checked my

supplements, and all are gluten-free) for only 2 weeks so far. I make

pretty much everything from scratch, too, so unless something was

contaminated in the mill (when it comes to grains) hopefully I'm

avoiding gluten.

In general (and for many months) I don't eat citrus fruit. I have only

1 piece of fruit a day at most. It's usually an organic pear or apple

or (lately) blueberries. I keep track of everything I eat, but not the

reaction afterward (yet). I also have IBS, which seems to be really

triggered by broccoli now, unfortunately, so I guess I should avoid

that. Vegetables in general seem to be a problem now for IBS. I'm a

small person, and very slim and toned (weight training), but my lower

abdomen is chronically swollen. I can hold it in so no one knows (I

have very strong core muscles) but it would be nice not to have to do

that. Frustrating. My mother started swelling like this in her early

20s, and she has many of the same conditions I do (IC, IBS, FMS). I

used to suffer with FMS, but that got better (I have no idea why) many

years ago. However, I still have FMS (tender points on my body). I

sleep VERY lightly. I always have. Even as a baby. Now I wake up at

least 4 times every night. I'm very sensitive to sound and light, so I

have to wear earplugs at night and a sleep mask. I also have chemical

sensitivities (perfumes, many essential oils) which trigger migraines.

My skin is increasingly terrible, meaning that I'm breaking out a lot

on my face and upper chest. This has been getting steadily worse for a

few months. :-(

But to look at me, most people think that I'm super healthy. They're

very surprised to find out about all of these things because I look so

fit and young for my age (I'm 33). The holistic dentist was

particularly suprised. He would not have guessed (my skin aside) that

I had these ailments.

I'm confused, because I just read a book that said that buckwheat and

millet contain gluten (!!??) so they should be avoided, too. I haven't

seen that elsewhere, and wonder if the author meant that buckwheat and

millet might be processed with gluten containing grains and therefore

could be contaminated. Any thoughts on this?

As for having expensive problems, that's still the case, because I

need to get fillings replaced (3 amalgams removed and replaced).

What is the best website for information about this?

I'm feeling a little overwhelmed and frightened, as you can imagine,

so I really appreciate help and advice, yet feel strange because all

of it is online, which makes it a bit lonely because I don't have

voices/faces to see and it takes so long to write and read about this.

~

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Sounds to me like you're a classic protein metabolic type with your citrus

and tomato problems, tooth enamel and many other issues that are mine as

well. The citrus and tomato would acidify your already acid blood, play

havoc with your IBD and biochemistry. I had at least leaky gut. The lower

abdominal swelling could be partly IBD and partly body type. That would be

thyroid or parasympathetic dominant with weight showing in lower abdomen

and/or thighs. Fruit you eat are suggested protein type fruits plus

occassional banana. Try avocado, asparagus, cauliflower, peas, celery,

mushrooms, spinach, artichokes, fried potatoes and winter squash for

vegetables. Beans are suggested but have excluded myself due to carb gas

reaction except for pinto beans which are high in purines.Buckwheat and

millet are gluten free. Millet is a goitergen affecting thyroid, same as

broccoli aned most brassicas. This site

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/rwgully/theories/mcferran08_hg.htm

gives pretty much the diet along with the supplements needed to create the

acetate this type has trouble producing and to alkalinize the acid blood of

this type. Eliminating the gluten will help your tooth enamel. I'd at least

include the calcium and zinc in the supplements too as this type needs the

calcium for the Krebs cycle in acetate production. I use calcium citrate

with D from Trader Joe's. Did have bladder issues never linked being better

from calcium but are.

Wanita

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> Sounds to me like you're a classic protein metabolic type with your

citrus and tomato problems, tooth enamel and many other issues that

are mine as well.

>

Thanks, Wanita! I can't digest beans, no matter what, but I can handle

lentils (well, 1.5 oz uncooked's worth daily).

I can't stand most meat. I have never liked it – not even when I was a

kid. I only like ground beef/bison/ostrich and skinless chicken

breast. I know, the fat would be good for me on the chicken, but I

absolutely hate it. I hate pork, too, and fish and seafood (unusual, I

know), plus I don't like olive oil, either. I like butter and coconut

oil and dairy foods and most vegetables and fruits. My tastes don't

seem harmonious for that plan, so I wonder what that means? Does it

mean I should try to like those foods?

I really need to find out my blood type and related things to know for

sure what I am!

Thanks again for this information!

[Guest guest]

>I am currently avoidiing gluten. I stopped having wheat several months

>ago, but my problems persist, so I'm avoiding gluten now to see if it

>helps any of my ailments.

>>

>> Weak enamel is a classic symptom for gluten intolerance

>

>Really? Wow! It may sound funny, but I would love it if that was the

>problem, because I can easily avoid gluten (most people think of that

>as deprivation, but it's not a big deal for me). What is the best test

>for this? I'm not seeing an ND right now because I can't find one who

>is WAP savvy enough here (Vancouver, B.C. Canada), but I realise that

>for basic tests, it doesn't matter. I can get the results and go from

>there.

>

>~

York labs has a saliva test (which also tests for other IgA allergies) and Dr.

Fine has

a stool test (which is more sensitive, I think: www.finerhealth.com). The

problem

with testing by going GF is that sometimes it takes a LONG time to heal, and

sometimes

gluten isn't the only problem, and also it's next to impossible to get ALL the

gluten

out of your diet (some folks who KNOW that are gluten intolerant find that some

idiot thing is keeping them from healing, like gluten in some medication they

are

taking -- most folks who think they are on a GF diet, aren't). Anyway, it takes

up to

2 years to heal the intestines, and a lot of the damage never really heals,

though

eating good foods sure helps.

-- Heidi Jean

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[Guest guest]

>I'm confused, because I just read a book that said that buckwheat and

>millet contain gluten (!!??) so they should be avoided, too. I haven't

>seen that elsewhere, and wonder if the author meant that buckwheat and

>millet might be processed with gluten containing grains and therefore

>could be contaminated. Any thoughts on this?

Safest bet: avoid ALL grains for awhile. Buckwheat and millet usually

don't contain gluten, but a lot of people react to them for other reasons.

ALL grains are hard to digest, and many are in fact contaminated, esp.

as they are often packaged on the same machinery that packs wheat.

(don't buy bulk, and don't buy from online stores that repackage

stuff!). Even rice sometimes has wheat starch as a flow agent.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

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>

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> Safest bet: avoid ALL grains for awhile. Buckwheat and millet usually

> don't contain gluten, but a lot of people react to them for other

reasons. ALL grains are hard to digest, and many are in fact

contaminated, esp. as they are often packaged on the same machinery

that packs wheat. (don't buy bulk, and don't buy from online stores

that repackage stuff!). Even rice sometimes has wheat starch as a flow

agent.

>

> -- Heidi Jean

Thanks, Heidi. Kind of dismal, though. :-( The way I eat is expensive

enough (all organic, but pretty much no processed foods, so some

savings there). I sometimes have Lundberg organic rice, so I guess

I'll have to find out if they use wheat starch as a flow agent.

How long should I be grain-free as a test?

[Guest guest]

>Thanks, Heidi. Kind of dismal, though. :-( The way I eat is expensive

>enough (all organic, but pretty much no processed foods, so some

>savings there). I sometimes have Lundberg organic rice, so I guess

>I'll have to find out if they use wheat starch as a flow agent.

>

>How long should I be grain-free as a test?

>

>

Oh, a week or so? I haven't found this way of eating terribly expensive, our

diet is very meat-based but I buy in bulk (by the cow). Depending on grains

for calories is tough. However, potatoes are usually ok (esp. sweet potatoes)

and they are cheaper. For the purposes of allergy testing, you could buy

non-organic

potatoes, which are really, really cheap!

I've also been doing the Warrior Diet, which is great for pinpointing allergens.

During the day I eat fruit and some cold meat (like lox). At night I have some

starch,

usually a potato, sometimes rice or bread, and meat and vegies. What I have

found

is that some foods that were more problematic stopped being problems when

I eat in this fashion ... but when I do have a problem, it's more obvious that

is

was connected to that meal. I think possibly it's easier on the system to not

have to use digestive enzymes all day, plus I can have wine with the evening

meal

and wine is AMAZING in how it stops food from being problematic. (One of the

few references to wine-drinking in the Bible is in , I think, " Take a

little

wine for the sake of your stomach " ).

-- Heidi Jean

-- Heidi Jean