Neurofeedback and musicianship

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Listmates,My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stmwhere it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up above alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if he'll write back.

Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve musicianship? and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to use? or in the TLC software?

Thanks.Liz

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I've just joined and it seems timely as I look at the most recent

posting. A project that I'm preparing for deals with my interest in

music. I play by ear, nothing on paper giving direction, and I'm

wondering what's going on when the spark of creativity catches the

situation. I know I can be in a state of mind that encourages a type

of improvisation and I'm wondering if there's other things a musician

can do to influence those special moments.

It looks like Dr. Gruzelier may be working in that area & I'd be

very interested if he responds to your email Liz.

Best wishes for 2009,

Jim

>

> Listmates,

>

> My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

>

> where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve

> musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up

above

> alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

he'll write

> back.

>

> Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would

> electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

musicianship?

> and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to

use? or

> in the TLC software?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I've just joined and it seems timely as I look at the most recent

posting. A project that I'm preparing for deals with my interest in

music. I play by ear, nothing on paper giving direction, and I'm

wondering what's going on when the spark of creativity catches the

situation. I know I can be in a state of mind that encourages a type

of improvisation and I'm wondering if there's other things a musician

can do to influence those special moments.

It looks like Dr. Gruzelier may be working in that area & I'd be

very interested if he responds to your email Liz.

Best wishes for 2009,

Jim

>

> Listmates,

>

> My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

>

> where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve

> musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up

above

> alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

he'll write

> back.

>

> Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would

> electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

musicianship?

> and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to

use? or

> in the TLC software?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

hi Jim,My background's in music and lately I've been getting back into writing songs and improvising on keyboards. I find that, typically, I can get really stuck when I'm sitting in front of the keyboard, but when I take a walk with nothing more in mind than buying groceries, OR I'm in the shower " zoning out, " I get my best ideas. I think this is pretty classic, right?

So what does that translate to, alpha in the bass with a little beta solo on top?Liz

Hi all,

I've just joined and it seems timely as I look at the most recent

posting. A project that I'm preparing for deals with my interest in

music. I play by ear, nothing on paper giving direction, and I'm

wondering what's going on when the spark of creativity catches the

situation. I know I can be in a state of mind that encourages a type

of improvisation and I'm wondering if there's other things a musician

can do to influence those special moments.

It looks like Dr. Gruzelier may be working in that area & I'd be

very interested if he responds to your email Liz.

Best wishes for 2009,

Jim

>

> Listmates,

>

> My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

>

> where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve

> musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up

above

> alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

he'll write

> back.

>

> Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would

> electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

musicianship?

> and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to

use? or

> in the TLC software?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

There's quite a lot of material on this topic from Dr Gruzelier which you can find on PubMEd.Hi all, I've just joined and it seems timely as I look at the most recentposting. A project that I'm preparing for deals with my interest inmusic. I play by ear, nothing on paper giving direction, and I'mwondering what's going on when the spark of creativity catches thesituation. I know I can be in a state of mind that encourages a typeof improvisation and I'm wondering if there's other things a musiciancan do to influence those special moments. It looks like Dr. Gruzelier may be working in that area & I'd bevery interested if he responds to your email Liz. Best wishes for 2009, Jim >> Listmates,> > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm> > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve> musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta upabove> alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know ifhe'll write> back.> > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would> electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improvemusicianship?> and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good touse? or> in the TLC software?> > Thanks.> > Liz> Goldringpaul.goldring1@...

[Guest guest]

,Thanks. Without an account I can only see abstracts. However I have a friend who teaches at a local university and she was able to get the article in question for me (from her home computer! love this brave new world!) The article is really interesting, in that musicians did better with NF than with the Technique.

If anyone wants details about what was actually trained, lemme know.Liz

There's quite a lot of material on this topic from Dr Gruzelier which you can find on PubMEd.

Hi all, I've just joined and it seems timely as I look at the most recent

posting. A project that I'm preparing for deals with my interest inmusic. I play by ear, nothing on paper giving direction, and I'mwondering what's going on when the spark of creativity catches the

situation. I know I can be in a state of mind that encourages a typeof improvisation and I'm wondering if there's other things a musiciancan do to influence those special moments. It looks like Dr. Gruzelier may be working in that area & I'd be

very interested if he responds to your email Liz. Best wishes for 2009, Jim >> Listmates,> > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to improve> musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta upabove> alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

he'll write> back.> > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would> electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improvemusicianship?

> and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good touse? or> in the TLC software?> > Thanks.> > Liz>

Goldringpaul.goldring1@...

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Inquiring minds want to know the details of what was trained as I

could only see the abstracts also. If you can't actually post a

link, please send the spoils of the Brave New World backchannel if

possible!

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback

to improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where

would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be

good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> > Goldring

> > paul.goldring1@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what's your e-mail address?

Liz,

Inquiring minds want to know the details of what was trained as I

could only see the abstracts also. If you can't actually post a

link, please send the spoils of the Brave New World backchannel if

possible!

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback

to improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where

would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be

good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> > Goldring

> > paul.goldring1@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what's your e-mail address?

Liz,

Inquiring minds want to know the details of what was trained as I

could only see the abstracts also. If you can't actually post a

link, please send the spoils of the Brave New World backchannel if

possible!

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback

to improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where

would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be

good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> > Goldring

> > paul.goldring1@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what's your e-mail address?

Liz,

Inquiring minds want to know the details of what was trained as I

could only see the abstracts also. If you can't actually post a

link, please send the spoils of the Brave New World backchannel if

possible!

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback

to improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where

would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be

good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> > Goldring

> > paul.goldring1@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Interesting & stimulating thoughts - all the way around. I'll

probably post again with comments and/or questions after more learning

and reading, currently some Barbara Brown. I honestly hope I never

offend anybody with my trivial area of experimentation. I know

there's alot of people with serious issues being addressed with these

tools.

Jim

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to

improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Interesting & stimulating thoughts - all the way around. I'll

probably post again with comments and/or questions after more learning

and reading, currently some Barbara Brown. I honestly hope I never

offend anybody with my trivial area of experimentation. I know

there's alot of people with serious issues being addressed with these

tools.

Jim

> > >

> > > Listmates,

> > >

> > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-news:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > >

> > > where it says researchers in England have used neurofeedback to

improve

> > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained theta up

> > above

> > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't know if

> > he'll write

> > > back.

> > >

> > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is, where would

> > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to improve

> > musicianship?

> > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would be good to

> > use? or

> > > in the TLC software?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

My email is:

cinemagic@...

Thanks. I'm looking forward to reading it!

Mike

> > > > >

> > > > > Listmates,

> > > > >

> > > > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-

news:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > > > >

> > > > > where it says researchers in England have used

neurofeedback

> > to improve

> > > > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

> > theta up

> > > > above

> > > > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't

know if

> > > > he'll write

> > > > > back.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is,

where

> > would

> > > > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to

improve

> > > > musicianship?

> > > > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would

be

> > good to

> > > > use? or

> > > > > in the TLC software?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Liz

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Goldring

> > > > paul.goldring1@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

My email is:

cinemagic@...

Thanks. I'm looking forward to reading it!

Mike

> > > > >

> > > > > Listmates,

> > > > >

> > > > > My musical niece sent me this url for an article in bbc-

news:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3091595.stm

> > > > >

> > > > > where it says researchers in England have used

neurofeedback

> > to improve

> > > > > musicianship. Upon further googling I see that they trained

> > theta up

> > > > above

> > > > > alpha. I've e-mailed Dr. Gruzelier in England but don't

know if

> > > > he'll write

> > > > > back.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone here speculate about what he's done? that is,

where

> > would

> > > > > electrodes be placed to do the alpha/theta training to

improve

> > > > musicianship?

> > > > > and are there any screens in Infiniti software that would

be

> > good to

> > > > use? or

> > > > > in the TLC software?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Liz

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Goldring

> > > > paul.goldring1@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>