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> > ..........BTW soil can become low fertile soil simply

> > due to compaction and this can be caused by anaerobic

> > conditions. Fertile soil is aerobic. Anaerobes lower

> > ph too much for healthy roots(kill them), make the N turn

> > into a volatile form and send it back into the

> > air where the plant roots cannot utilize it and so on.

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> Hi Dennis:

> Soil does not become low fertility soil due to compaction. The

> reverse is true,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Hi Chi,Check out Dr. Elaine Ingham's website at

www.soilfoodweb.com. Lots of things could cause compaction of

farmland and various soil types would compact differently independent

of organic matter content. Lack of earthworms would compact and of

course they'll die without whatever they need for survival.There's

even people selling earthworms for farmers apparently using no-till

methods and a type of strip cropping.Dennis Kemnitz

compaction of soil is due to low soil fertility.

> Neither are anerobic microbes a cause of low soil fertility nor

> aerobic microbes a cause of high soil fertility, both are the

result

> of either low soil fertility or high soil fertility. As in the

> medical profession, you can't mistake symptoms for causes. Add

> aerobic microbes to low soil feritily and in the long run you don't

> get high soil fertility, you get dead microbes which need to be

> added again.

XXXXXXXXXXXAs It's not quite that simple, is it? The soil food web

probably is nearly non-existent on " low fertility soil " although it

would depend on exactly what is causing this " low fertility soil " .

You probably have defined these terms(hi and low fertility)

previously. As of now we're doing a lot of generalizing cause I don't

know your def'n.. High fertility soil has bio diversity (based on

studies on unplowed grasslands and forests)that includes 25,000

bacterial species per spoonful. The anaerobes produce acids, and

volatliize N and S and probably other elements and therefore lower ph

which kills the plants roots causing compaction. This in my opinion

makes it " low fertility soil " .Dennis Kemnitz

That is good for the microbe sellers.

XXXXXXXXXXXXxProperly made compost is full of microbes, fungi and

protozoa and maybe beneficial nematodes as well. 25,000 species of

bacteria per spoonful in productive soil is the goal.And there are

specs for fungi too.I use compost which ultimately makes nitrate and

ammonium available for the plants to use in a timely manner. Dennis

Improve your soil

> fertility

XXXXXXXXXXBased on Albrecht's def'n? Dennis

and you will have no need to add aerobic microbes, they

> will just show up on their own.

>

XXXXXXXXXMaybe, but I don't think so, on these toxic chemical farms

of the last 55 years w/o the addition of properly made (and tested

compost). That ground is essentially sterile (and compacted)so can

the aerobes get into the soil 10 feet down and live a RADIANT life?

Some of those 25,000 aerobes will begin detoxification of the toxic

chemicals added the last 55 years. There are a lot more organisms

than live microbes in productive soil. Dennis Kemnitz

Chi