RE: increased Ca causing Fe deficiency

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August 16, 2004

Well Suze you have a point. This is in responce to Dr. Ron upping my

raw dairy to 4 cups/day plus 6 bone meal tabs. My blood work still

shows not enough Ca. My teeth also seem to still be giving me

problems. (to anyone wondering yes...I'm on lots of CLO and butter oil

so lack of vits A and D aren't the problem)

My goat milk produceer brought this up as something she's heard.

Lynn

> > increased Ca causing Fe deficiency

> >

> >I would love to hear some thoughts on this one. Does drinking a lot

> >of raw milk cause anemia?

>

> If it did then breast-fed babies would be anemic...as would the

Masai and

> neighboring tribes that drink lots of raw milk...

>

> Suze Fisher

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> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. "

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> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

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August 16, 2004

> Re: increased Ca causing Fe deficiency

>

>Well Suze you have a point. This is in responce to Dr. Ron upping my

>raw dairy to 4 cups/day plus 6 bone meal tabs. My blood work still

>shows not enough Ca. My teeth also seem to still be giving me

>problems. (to anyone wondering yes...I'm on lots of CLO and butter oil

>so lack of vits A and D aren't the problem)

>My goat milk produceer brought this up as something she's heard.

>

>Lynn

Hmmmm...how long have you been consuming this much dairy and bone meal

capsules? I didn't notice any difference in my nails until I'd been on the

bone meal for about 5 months or so.

Maybe you are ingesting too much of a Ca antagonist? I don't know what

specific mineral or substance might be a Ca antagonist (you could google to

find out), but I do know that minerals have antagonists and if you take too

much of one, the body somehow tries to recreat equilibrium by getting rid of

the excess.

Then there is the absorption issue that Mike mentioned - perhaps a good

digestive enzyme might help?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

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>

August 16, 2004

It was my understanding that the protein in pasteurized milk binds with iron

and can cause anemia. It was called milk-bottle anemia in the olden days. I

would think that raw milk would not be as prone to do this. I could be wrong

though. A good way to check would be to follow serum ferritin levels after

increasing your dairy consumption.

Beth

August 17, 2004

>>I would love to hear some thoughts on this one. Does drinking a lot

>>of raw milk cause anemia?

It might if you have an IgA casein allergy (some folks do, like me!).

FERMENTED milk might still be ok in that case though. The IgA

allergies seem to cause anemia, presumably because of poor

absorption or maybe because of internal bleeding.

Heidi Jean

August 17, 2004

> RE: increased Ca causing Fe deficiency

>

>Maybe you are ingesting too much of a Ca antagonist? I don't know what

>specific mineral or substance might be a Ca antagonist (you could google to

>find out), but I do know that minerals have antagonists and if you take too

>much of one, the body somehow tries to recreat equilibrium by

>getting rid of

>the excess.

This didn't come out right. My understanding of how mineral antagonists work

is very rudimentary, but if I understand it correctly, if you are consuming

a CA antagonist then you may have trouble absorbing or utilizing the CA you

are consuming.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

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August 17, 2004

In a message dated 8/17/04 6:12:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dezinegal@... writes:

responded:

Probably a good amount as Dr. Price estimated that the primitives he

studied and wrote about in NAPD consumed 1.5 - 2.0mg a day.

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,

Did you mistakently write mg, when you meant " g " ? It's been a while since I

read NAPD, but I distinctly recall him talking in the hundreds of mg for Ca.

I may have invented this memory in my head, considering how long ago I read

the book, but it seems undoubtedly entirely possible for any of his primitive

subjects to have Ca intakes anywhere near that low. The Masai, for example,

would have to have limited their milk intake to several hundredths of an ounce.

Chris

August 17, 2004

--- In , <dezinegal@y...>

wrote:

>

> How many IU's of vitamin D a day are you getting?

Oh I'm up there.... averaging now around 30,000-60,000IUs/day plus

probably more with some liver added and sometimes extra CLO. THis is

all mostly from high vit CLO.

> How much calcium does your food add up to a day?

Don't know exactly but probably between 1200-2500mg in the past. Now

I'm on more as it seems that wasn't enough.

> You definitely shouldnt eat high calcium foods in the same meal as

high

> iron foods as they compete for absorption. Also are you eating a --

---> right I know and I don't usually don't.

lot of

> high Phytic acid foods (unsoaked grains) or foods high in oxalates

> (plant foods) with your calcium/milk?

---->nope none of that and no gluten. I eat very few grains and some

nuts. everything's always soaked and/or fermented.

I'm not anemic although my ferritin level is at the low end of

normal and some studies suggest that normal is set too low. My

blood iron is fine. I have run hypothyroid in the past and low

ferritin seems to be related to that. I haven't been able to come

across exactly why this is??? The usual solution is to supplement

with ferrous sulfate. I don't since I'm still normal.

THis was just a question my dairy goat producer brought up. She very

savy about NT eating and supplementing so when she mentions

something I know she's gotten it from a good source. I need to ask

where she heard this.

Lynn

August 17, 2004

> Re: increased Ca causing Fe deficiency

>

> responded:

>Careful with that amount as the vitamin D council has stated that the

>lowest recorded vitamin D toxicity case was from a man taking 40,000IU

>a day for a year.

,

I believe that number is actually *400,000* IU/daily. I posted earlier about

my ND's conversation with the Cannell MD. Executive Director of the

Vitamin D council, who told my ND there's never been a case of vit. D

toxicity in the literature other than this guy taking 400,000 IU (which he

said was unintentional). And his symptoms disappeared when he stopped the

dose.

Quoting from Cannell:

" The literature has never reported that wnyone has ever gotten toxic on

vitamin D supplements! "

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics