Re: caffeine --fermented coffee?

[Guest guest]

while the acid/base blood issue is still up for debate, i don't think sprouting

or soaking would get rid of caffiene. although...some have said that making tea

into kombucha has the affect of removing (digesting?!?) some of the caffiene

making it less of a problem. but i don't know of any way to ferment coffee.

anyone?

--------- Re: caffeine

> caffiene can have negative affects on some people. this includes adrenal

stimulation (and stress), adrenal fatigue, decreased insulin sensitivity and

headaches, to name a few. so, take it with caution. green tea has a very

low amount of caffiene, but tea also has flouride and so you just gotta

decide how much of these things you want in YOUR body.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> NT warns against caffeine yet tea has been used for 5,000 years and coffee

for 1,000, certainly qualifying them as a traditional foods.

>

> Caffeine/tea/coffee: good or bad?

>

>

>

> " C. Adler " wrote:

>

> > > How do you know this?

> > >

> > > thanks!

> > >

> >

> > I was first told this by the lady who runs Wilderness Family

> Naturals and I have confirmed it

> > with another wholesale buyer and from other sources over the last

> couple years.

> >

> > regards, Bruce

>

> Thanks, everyone!

>

> A representative from Quality First e-mailed me that yes, the oil is

> the same. I'm in Canada, and I will order the oil from Quality First

> for sure. Too bad about the plastic containers!

>

> ~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:11 PM 8/23/04 +0000, you wrote:

>while the acid/base blood issue is still up for debate, i don't think

sprouting or soaking would get rid of caffiene. although...some have said

that making tea into kombucha has the affect of removing (digesting?!?)

some of the caffiene making it less of a problem. but i don't know of any

way to ferment coffee. anyone?

>

I don't know about the ferment, but what about water-process decaf? Lo

those many years ago, I worked for a coffee roaster. Unfortunately, I

don't remember the exact processing method other than that there were

several steps to it (in those days we called it Swiss water-process), but

seems like you could infer that a simple soak would remove at least some of

the caffeine. From what I remember, the " extra " steps to the process

were not exactly NT-ish, more to increase saleability value, like adding

" flavorings " back in, but ...

MFJ

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still be found in the most amazing places.

[Guest guest]

Anyway, 1000 and 5000 years ago doesn't seem all that traditional anymore.

Haven't a lot of diseases come along with agriculture in the last 10,000

years? I have a related question about other mind-altering substances since

it seems hunter-gatherers around the world had ways of inebriating

themselves. There are a lot of plant substances out there than induce

hallucinations or act as sedatives or stimulants. Coffee is a newer one i

should think.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

new, old, whatever. the issue is that caffiene (which coffee has a lot of) has

negative affects on the body, some of which become a serious health issue for

some people. i know personally, that if i have a few days of high caffiene

intake, i will definately notice the fatigue on my adrenals. some people can

take more and be fine, and some are supersensitive and can't handle any.

one of the arguements in the past has been that these affects are easily handled

by someone who has adequate nutrition (read: almost no one in modern times) and

relatively light environmental toxin load can handle these natural intoxicants.

i agree though, that coffee probably is a newer invention. i wonder if anyone

knows for sure?

-------------- Original message --------------

Anyway, 1000 and 5000 years ago doesn't seem all that traditional anymore.

Haven't a lot of diseases come along with agriculture in the last 10,000

years? I have a related question about other mind-altering substances since

it seems hunter-gatherers around the world had ways of inebriating

themselves. There are a lot of plant substances out there than induce

hallucinations or act as sedatives or stimulants. Coffee is a newer one i

should think.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

> i don't know of any way to ferment coffee. anyone?

>

It is a common practice to ferment the coffee beans to remove an indesirable

outer coating

before the coffee is roasted.

: -)

" Wet (washed) method - One of two methods of processing coffee berries. First,

the cherry pulp

is removed through pulpers flushed with water; next the coffee is fermented to

remove the

slippery mucilage coating around the parchment; last, the coffee is dried in the

sun on patios

or in mechanical dryers. "

http://www.beanerynet.com/desktops/Operationsmanual/05-Becoming%20a%20Coffee%20E\

xpert.pdf

Bruce

[Guest guest]

One of my projects is to get green beans and try this experiment. I agree

caffeine is not good and all your other sound reasons. But I enjoy a cup

with lots of cream on rare occassions. Coffee as a " company " beverage goes

back among Bediouns(sp) many centuries.

C

Re: caffeine --fermented coffee?

> new, old, whatever. the issue is that caffiene (which coffee has a lot

of) has negative affects on the body, some of which become a serious health

issue for some people. i know personally, that if i have a few days of high

caffiene intake, i will definately notice the fatigue on my adrenals. some

people can take more and be fine, and some are supersensitive and can't

handle any.

> one of the arguements in the past has been that these affects are easily

handled by someone who has adequate nutrition (read: almost no one in modern

times) and relatively light environmental toxin load can handle these

natural intoxicants.

> i agree though, that coffee probably is a newer invention. i wonder if

anyone knows for sure?

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> Anyway, 1000 and 5000 years ago doesn't seem all that traditional anymore.

> Haven't a lot of diseases come along with agriculture in the last 10,000

> years? I have a related question about other mind-altering substances

since

> it seems hunter-gatherers around the world had ways of inebriating

> themselves. There are a lot of plant substances out there than induce

> hallucinations or act as sedatives or stimulants. Coffee is a newer one i

> should think.

> Elaine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to remove caffeine I am trying to remove the phytic acid

that irritates the stomach and inhibits absorbtion . By sprouting the bean ,

then drying and low roasting would make it more readily usable by the

body.Keep the enzymes intact. You could soak the ground coffee in yoghurt,

but it would be a sour beverage ,brewing it would curdle the milk....

Re: caffeine

>

>

> > caffiene can have negative affects on some people. this includes adrenal

> stimulation (and stress), adrenal fatigue, decreased insulin sensitivity

and

> headaches, to name a few. so, take it with caution. green tea has a very

> low amount of caffiene, but tea also has flouride and so you just gotta

> decide how much of these things you want in YOUR body.

> >

> > -------------- Original message --------------

> > NT warns against caffeine yet tea has been used for 5,000 years and

coffee

> for 1,000, certainly qualifying them as a traditional foods.

> >

> > Caffeine/tea/coffee: good or bad?

> >

> >

> >

> > " C. Adler " wrote:

> >

> > > > How do you know this?

> > > >

> > > > thanks!

> > > >

> > >

> > > I was first told this by the lady who runs Wilderness Family

> > Naturals and I have confirmed it

> > > with another wholesale buyer and from other sources over the last

> > couple years.

> > >

> > > regards, Bruce

> >

> > Thanks, everyone!

> >

> > A representative from Quality First e-mailed me that yes, the oil is

> > the same. I'm in Canada, and I will order the oil from Quality First

> > for sure. Too bad about the plastic containers!

> >

> > ~

> >

> >

> >

> >