SV: SV: Re: Depression & time to asse

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,

Thanks for interesting

post.

Let’s say you find. according

to your Arousal.xl file, that the client is underaroused and might benefit with

rew. 14-17 hz.

In this case how do you

determine two inhibits? 

(Btw I had fun scanning

thru the Arousal.xl)

Jim

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Sendt: 23. januar 2008 20:01

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Emne: Re: SV: Re:

Depression & time to asse

Hi Jim,

Yes, I prefer to consider training at T3T4 for several

reasons:

1.- When you measure the temporals T3 & T4 in the

TLC assessment you obtain eaqch data separated, which means that you are

not comparing the difference between each other. So it may not be any Hot

Temporals and/or Disconnection but it can shows a significant

difference when you hook at T3T4.

2.- IME, T3T4 is the best protocol to get to the limbic system.

3.- Also, T3T4 is the best site to set the ideal

frequency for the client's ANS rhythm or if you want to call it,

ideal arousal level.

4.- I prefer to train T3T4 with 1C twoinhibitonereward design

instead of the squish/squash in depressed people.

Hope this help,

Re: Re: Depression & time to asse

SMR training

wouldn't ordinarily be a training of choice for someone who is depressed.

It seems to me that her energy levels are probably pretty much related to the

depression (more depressed: lower energy; less depressed: higher energy,

right?) It also seems that her energy levels are fluctuating in a pretty

narrow band between less depressed and more depressed. My belief would be

that we find out how the depression is programmed into the activation patterns

and help start to unwind that.

Again, it's hard

to say whether what you are doing is having much of an effect if she is

stopping her meds mid-stream, so perhaps what you are doing is working

fine. You mentioned " she wasn't drinking either day " kind of in

passing. Does she drink or was this just an explanatory comment? If

she's drinking at all, that will make it nearly impossible to get a good

training result.

If I understood

your table properly, based on those two subjective readings, when she sleeps

well, she feels lousy; when she doesn't, she feels great. That's kind of

interesting.

The point I was

making about measuring at different times is that relationships (e.g.

alpha/theta, theta/beta, front/back, left/right) don't usually change very

much. I think I said that amplitudes are quite likely to change a

lot. That's why the TLC works with relationships in the brain: they are

stable and they tend to underlie stable behavior and mood states.

Pete

On Jan 22, 2008 7:31 PM , bharney2002 <bharney2002@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Pete,

The protocol I've been using is a 1C

one reward (13-15hz) two inhibits (2-10hz, 19-38hz) CZ/A1/g. This protocol

wasn't on her TLC plan but after running through the list of options and

getting minimal results, I went with intuition and a semi-educated guess and

came up with the protocol listed above. After the first session her energy and

quality of mood increased enough that every day after she would ask for the

same protocol. My plan was to get her energy level stabilized, then go back to

the protocols on the TLC plan and target the depression, beginning with T3.

The reason I asked about when to assess was because of the difference in her

amplitudes and depression from yesterday to today.

Here is her info comparing two very different cognitive states. All scales are

1-10, worst-best, self report.

Sleep onset Sleep quality Energy Mood

4

8

2

0 (flat affect) 1/21/08

2

3

8

8.5

1/22/08

12-15hz

2-10hz

19-38hz threshold settings

8u

73u

24u 1/21/08

5u

49u

23u 1/22/08

Yesterday she was so down her speech was slightly slurred.

Today she is very up & happy & no slurred speech (she wasn't drinking

either day)

The change in the 2-10hz amplitudes was quite different and caused me to think

about when to assess.

..

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