The 'Liver flap'/maternal liver health

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Just found this:

<<Ammonia increases when >60% hepatic function is lost>>

http://diaglab.vet.cornell.edu/clinpath/modules/chem/ammonia.htm

And everyone who responded to the jaundice question reported the child

was positive for this at birth. This would appear to mean a compromised

fetal liver at birth.Hmm, this could mean that the fetal liver may have

had to take over some of the role of the maternal liver during

gestation. I wonder how everyone's liver enzymes were, going into

pregnancy. Elevated enzymes culd be due to several things, not just

increased alcohol but also candida (it releases ethanol which is

alcohol) during the fermentation process. AND! candida becomes quite

elevated on the pill.

Lots of free association here.....any comments?

I guess maybe we can have a discussion about birth control. My doctor

back in Germany used to lament about the lack information on adverse

side effects of birth control use. She ( a gynaecologist) was convinced

the drug companies were keeping an awful lot back.

Well I was on the pill for 10 years and I had a REALLY bad case of

candida.. I was on Canesten cream for ages. My German doctors are always

going on about how these fungal meds are REALLY bad for the liver.

Apparently elevated liver enzymes only show up way down the road,

chronologically. I actually am being treated for high liver enzymes at

the moment. I must look into my liver history at some time:-))

As I said just free association here.

eileen_mclennan schrieb:

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> What a great thread, everyone is dealing with bacteria/ammonia at

> some point. This is going to be useful to an awful lot of people.

>

> Our kiddo's current bacteria is at 1755 so we have had to rock in

> some fairly agressive treatment. On another list I am on, a parent

> suggested not to automatically assume treat bacteria as is, but as a

> causal agent of something else - Lyme.

>

> We are about to start viral protocol but cannot start valtrex until

> the bacteria is down because of the possibility of toxicity, viruses

> replicating with bacteria, etc.

>

> We haven't gone down that route yet. Its for later for us, if we

> feel its justified.

>

> Likewise Flagyl got rid of ammonia smell in two days for us. As we

> haven't tested, I would add that we don't know if the ammonia has

> gone - it could be just the smell that's gone, some kind of chemical

> reaction.

>

> Flapping - absolutely, liverish connection. Totally agree.

>

> Eileen

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> > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the links

> > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> resemble

> > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> >

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> > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

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> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

> <http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js>

> p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

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> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

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> > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> flapping

> > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> >

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[Guest guest]

Can I add wheat allergy and gluten intol to this...causes liver probs

so maybe mum needs gluten/dairy free as well! I do!!

I was on pill for 10 years also ....these drugs they

invent...they do not know the long term consquences to us and then

our off spring....it is weird how female cancer has increased also

(but thats opening another can of worms).

Flapping is my boy's main behaviour

I believe the liver is a crucial link to neuro damage.

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> > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

links

> > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > resemble

> > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

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> > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

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> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > flapping

> > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > >

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> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

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[Guest guest]

Can I add wheat allergy and gluten intol to this...causes liver probs

so maybe mum needs gluten/dairy free as well! I do!!

I was on pill for 10 years also ....these drugs they

invent...they do not know the long term consquences to us and then

our off spring....it is weird how female cancer has increased also

(but thats opening another can of worms).

Flapping is my boy's main behaviour

I believe the liver is a crucial link to neuro damage.

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

links

> > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > resemble

> > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

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> > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > flapping

> > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can I add wheat allergy and gluten intol to this...causes liver probs

so maybe mum needs gluten/dairy free as well! I do!!

I was on pill for 10 years also ....these drugs they

invent...they do not know the long term consquences to us and then

our off spring....it is weird how female cancer has increased also

(but thats opening another can of worms).

Flapping is my boy's main behaviour

I believe the liver is a crucial link to neuro damage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

links

> > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > resemble

> > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

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> > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > flapping

> > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

27/11/2008 19:53

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are several conditions in prenancy that can cause liver

problems:Pre eclampsia,cholestasis and hyperemesis, just thinking of

the top of my head.

Sharon.

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

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> > >

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> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are several conditions in prenancy that can cause liver

problems:Pre eclampsia,cholestasis and hyperemesis, just thinking of

the top of my head.

Sharon.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

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> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are several conditions in prenancy that can cause liver

problems:Pre eclampsia,cholestasis and hyperemesis, just thinking of

the top of my head.

Sharon.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See the

> links

> > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in autism

> > > resemble

> > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered what

> > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.js

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> > >

>

<http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.j

> s>

> > > p?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/liver_encephalopathy.jsp

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_flap>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html

> > > <http://www.rnceus.com/ld/lddecomp.html> (: rapid involuntary

> > > flapping

> > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ------

> > >

> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-I had cholestasis in pregnancy, and Joe had mild jaundice. I also had

cholestasis with Sam, who is nt. He didn't have jaundice though.

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