The 'Liver flap' = hand flapping/Sharon/ Mag sulph reaction

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Sharon,

Just been looking in my notes.

Regarding magnesium sulphate...Sulphate is an antagonist to selenium. If

is reacting strangely to Magsulph, it may be due to low stores on

selenium. Have you any idea, how her Se levels are? Maybe try giving her

200 Mcg. daily if not already doing so. Getting the levels up takes

time. We supped several months long before the Se levels in the red

blood cells came up.

Sharon schrieb:

>

> -She only tolerates a small amount of MAG sulph.I don't know if it's

> the sulphate or the mag that she can't handle.She has similar

> symptoms with probiotics ,B6, Magnesium and yoghurt.I wondered if her

> motility is just so sluggish that ammonia just builds up,from

> fermentation in her gut.She can't tolerate enzymes.

>

> I have read that trypophan metabolism problems are associated with

> Asthma and atopic disease,the reaction she had to the melatonin was

> very sudden and very severe,she's also had similar although not as

> severe a reaction to probiotics and yoghurt,Magnesium and B6 have

> also been a problem.During these occassions she has had hand shaking

> and head jerking.

>

> I've read your advise about adrenal support and we are introducing

> the adrenal cortex,I also have inositol and choline to start.I'm a

> bit worried about giving her things that raise serotonin in the

> gut.Is inositol likely to do this or does it just manage serotonin

> better ?

>

> Thanks

> Sharon

>

> -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE GRIFFITHS

> wrote:

> >

> > Sharon,

> >

> > You can get the amines down with sulphate (magnesium sulphate)

> > theoretically. SO is the L. acidopholous causing the ammonia, do

> you think??

> >

> > Sharon schrieb:

> > >

> > > -whenever I have given Katy lactic acid probiotics she has I think

> > > raised ammonia. Shown as high blood urea and liver enzymes and a

> low

> > > potassium.I think for her it is a faulty tryptophan

> metabolism ,she

> > > can't handle the amines produced and they cause high ammonia.She

> also

> > > had a very severe asthma attack after 1 mg of melatonin and this

> also

> > > happens if she has too many probiotics.

> > >

> > > Sharon

> > >

> > > -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>, JULIE

> GRIFFITHS

> > > <moppett1@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > And Wakefield writes:

> > > >

> > > > <<An overgrowth of acid-tolerant bacteria in the bowel (D-lactic

> > > > acidosis) can cause aggression, stupor, movement disorders,

> > > including

> > > > _asterixis_ (involuntary jerking, especially in the hands), and

> > > other

> > > > symptoms.>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> Link:http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> <http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>

>

> > >

> <http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s

> <http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/articles/autism_gi_connect.s>>

> > > html

> > > >

> > > > So may be there is a connection with the liver.....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> > > > >

> > > > > It's something I have always wondered about. I hope parents

> can

> > > read

> > > > > these pages and let me know if the description of the 'liver

> > > flip' is

> > > > > similar to what they are seeing in chidren with 'hand

> flapping'.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > bbrowne123 schrieb:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wow, what a super sleuth, this is really really

> interesting, my

> > > boy

> > > > > > has never flapped but seen many kids who do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just read about this rather interesting connection. See

> the

> > > links

> > > > > > > below. Do the descriptions of wrist movement seen in

> autism

> > > > > > resemble

> > > > > > > these 'liver flaps' as described. I have always wondered

> what

> > > > > > > precipitates this hand flapping.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://medical-

> dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

> > > <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liver+flap

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> > > > > > flapping

> > > > > > > of the wrists, also known as " liver flap)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG.

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > 27/11/2008 19:53

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

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> > > > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release

> Date:

> > > 27/11/2008 19:53

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> > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date:

> 27/11/2008 19:53

> > >

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