Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: In a few words > can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from > bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd > like to try to understand what the basics are. > thanks bunches. > charlene > Hi Charlene, Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/ It will give you a primer on what we are all about. A good place to start on basic nutrition is here: http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html I'm sure others will give you more. Hope this helps! War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: In a few words > can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from > bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd > like to try to understand what the basics are. > thanks bunches. > charlene > > Hi Charlene, Here from the Weston Price website is some characteristics of " " # The diets of healthy primitive and nonindustrialized peoples contain no refined or denatured foods such as refined sugar or corn syrup; white flour; canned foods; pasteurized, homogenized, skim or low-fat milk; refined or hydrogenated vegetable oils; protein powders; artificial vitamins or toxic additives and colorings. # All traditional cultures consume some sort of animal protein and fat from fish and other seafood; water and land fowl; land animals; eggs; milk and milk products; reptiles; and insects. # Primitive diets contain at least four times the calcium and other minerals and TEN times the fat soluble vitamins from animal fats (vitamin A, vitamin D and the Price Factor) as the average American diet. # In all traditional cultures, some animal products are eaten raw. # Primitive and traditional diets have a high food-enzyme content from raw dairy products, raw meat and fish; raw honey; tropical fruits; cold-pressed oils; wine and unpasteurized beer; and naturally preserved, lacto-fermented vegetables, fruits, beverages, meats and condiments. # Seeds, grains and nuts are soaked, sprouted, fermented or naturally leavened in order to neutralize naturally occuring antinutrients in these foods, such as phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors, tannins and complex carbohydrates. # Total fat content of traditional diets varies from 30% to 80% but only about 4% of calories come from polyunsaturated oils naturally occurring in grains, pulses, nuts, fish, animal fats and vegetables. The balance of fat calories is in the form of saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids. # Traditional diets contain nearly equal amounts of omega-6 and omega-3 essential fatty acids. # All primitive diets contain some salt. # Tradtional cultures consume animal bones, usually in the form of gelatin-rich bone broths. # Traditional cultures make provisions for the health of future generations by providing special nutrient-rich foods for parents-to-be, pregnant women and growing children; by proper spacing of children; and by teaching the principles of right diet to the young. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 >Could someone take the time to give me a little background on the >basics of this group and which line of thinking it pursues? In a few words >can you explain the term native - nutrition? Charlene: Hi and welcome! The group is more or less based on the book " Nourishing Traditions " which covers a wide variety of things ... basically how we process food now vs. in the past. The book was written by Sally Fallon, and was inspired by the work of Weston Price in the '30s. You really have to read the book to get the gist of the whole thing, but it includes such concepts as: -- the importance of fermented foods -- why you should soak or sprout grains before eating them -- why bone broths are good for you -- grass fed vs grain fed meats -- eating organ meats -- good fats vs. bad fats (it's not what you think!) You can read some of the ideas on: http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html Anyway, both Weston Price and Sally Fallon were WAY before their time ... some of the studies that are being done now are validating a lot of it. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Hi Charlene, Definitely visit www.westonaprice.org, and perhaps you can find Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon at your local library or have it sent to your library from another branch. The book is well worth owning, but perhaps you'd prefer the try before you buy approach. If you'd like to download some sample chapters for free, visit http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/SallyFallon/index.html Many people I know had no idea about the website, they only knew about the book, which is much more than a cookbook. The section introductions and information in the side panels will teach you more than you can imagine about nutrition - perhaps enough to be able to follow some of the crazy stuff posted here. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: In a few words > can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from > bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd > like to try to understand what the basics are. > thanks bunches. > charlene > Hi Charlene, Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/ It will give you a primer on what we are all about. A good place to start on basic nutrition is here: http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html I'm sure others will give you more. Hope this helps! War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 thanks for the starting point.. char -- Re: native nutrition basics...? On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: In a few words > can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from > bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I d > like to try to understand what the basics are. > thanks bunches. > charlene > Hi Charlene, Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/ It will give you a primer on what we are all about. A good place to start on basic nutrition is here: http://www.westonaprice org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html I'm sure others will give you more. Hope this helps! War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Boy it must really take a bunch of extra work to become aware of all of this ..It is very interesting. I'll have to read some of the listed materiasl.. thanks charlene -- Re: native nutrition basics...? On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: In a few words > can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from > bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I d > like to try to understand what the basics are. > thanks bunches. > charlene > > Hi Charlene, Here from the Weston Price website is some characteristics of " " # The diets of healthy primitive and nonindustrialized peoples contain no refined or denatured foods such as refined sugar or corn syrup; white flour; canned foods; pasteurized, homogenized, skim or low-fat milk; refined or hydrogenated vegetable oils; protein powders; artificial vitamins or toxic additives and colorings. # All traditional cultures consume some sort of animal protein and fat from fish and other seafood; water and land fowl; land animals; eggs; milk and milk products; reptiles; and insects. # Primitive diets contain at least four times the calcium and other minerals and TEN times the fat soluble vitamins from animal fats (vitamin A, vitamin D and the Price Factor) as the average American diet. # In all traditional cultures, some animal products are eaten raw. # Primitive and traditional diets have a high food-enzyme content from raw dairy products, raw meat and fish; raw honey; tropical fruits; cold-pressed oils; wine and unpasteurized beer; and naturally preserved, lacto-fermented vegetables, fruits, beverages, meats and condiments. # Seeds, grains and nuts are soaked, sprouted, fermented or naturally leavened in order to neutralize naturally occuring antinutrients in these foods, such as phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors, tannins and complex carbohydrates. # Total fat content of traditional diets varies from 30% to 80% but only about 4% of calories come from polyunsaturated oils naturally occurring in grains, pulses, nuts, fish, animal fats and vegetables. The balance of fat calories is in the form of saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids. # Traditional diets contain nearly equal amounts of omega-6 and omega-3 essential fatty acids. # All primitive diets contain some salt. # Tradtional cultures consume animal bones, usually in the form of gelatin-rich bone broths. # Traditional cultures make provisions for the health of future generations by providing special nutrient-rich foods for parents-to-be, pregnant women and growing children; by proper spacing of children; and by teaching the principles of right diet to the young. War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Message: 53319 From: charlene Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: native nutrition basics...? :Hello :I've been lurking for a while, and trying to understand what this group is :all about.. Didn't you receive the intro below when you joined the group? Its also on the group homepage. -Darrell " We support one another in exploring Sally Fallon's book " Nourishing Traditions " , a wonderful cookbook and guide to wise food choices and to proper preparation techniques. We address the question " How can we achieve radiant health with the regenerating food practices of isolated, non-industrialized populations? - the healthiest people ever studied. " We consider the influence of a dentist, Dr. Weston Price. From the preface: " During the 1930's, Dr. Price traveled the world over to observe population groups untouched by civilization, living entirely on local foods. While the diets of these peoples differed in many particulars, they contained several factors in common. Almost, without exception, the groups he studied ate liberally of seafood or other animal proteins and fats in the form of organ meats and dairy products; they values animal fats as absolutely necessary to good health; and they ate fats, meats, fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts, seeds and whole grains in their whole, unrefined state. All primitive diets contained some raw foods, of both animal and vegetable origin. " " Dr. Price found fourteen groups-from isolated Irish and Swiss, from Eskimos to Africans-in which almost every member of the tribe or village enjoyed superb health. They were free of chronic disease, dental decay and mental illness; they were strong, sturdy and attractive; and they produced healthy children with ease, generation after generation. " " Nourishing Traditions " is available through " Radiant Life, " a mail order company that carries products supporting native nutrition and sustainable living: (888) 593-8333. (A portion of their proceeds go to the Weston A. Price Foundation: www.WestonAPrice.org/WestonAPrice@....) Amazon.com also carries the book. Please note: This is a labor of love; the list moderator derives no income from any activities of this list. The intent is to create Internet- and personal community in the moderator's home (the San Francisco Bay area) and beyond. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into hiding.. and just listen. Thanks charlene -- native nutrition basics...? :Hello :I've been lurking for a while, and trying to understand what this group is :all about.. Didn't you receive the intro below when you joined the group? Its also on the group homepage. -Darrell " We support one another in exploring Sally Fallon's book " Nourishing Traditions " , a wonderful cookbook and guide to wise food choices and to proper preparation techniques. We address the question " How can we achieve radiant health with the regenerating food practices of isolated, non-industrialized populations? - the healthiest people ever studied. " We consider the influence of a dentist, Dr. Weston Price. From the preface: " During the 1930's, Dr. Price traveled the world over to observe population groups untouched by civilization, living entirely on local foods. While the diets of these peoples differed in many particulars, they contained several factors in common. Almost, without exception, the groups he studied ate liberally of seafood or other animal proteins and fats in the form of organ meats and dairy products; they values animal fats as absolutely necessary to good health; and they ate fats, meats, fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts, seeds and whole grains in their whole, unrefined state. All primitive diets contained some raw foods, of both animal and vegetable origin. " " Dr. Price found fourteen groups-from isolated Irish and Swiss, from Eskimos to Africans-in which almost every member of the tribe or village enjoyed superb health. They were free of chronic disease, dental decay and mental illness; they were strong, sturdy and attractive; and they produced healthy children with ease, generation after generation. " " Nourishing Traditions " is available through " Radiant Life, " a mail order company that carries products supporting native nutrition and sustainable living: (888) 593-8333. (A portion of their proceeds go to the Weston A. Price Foundation: www.WestonAPrice.org/WestonAPrice@....) Amazon.com also carries the book. Please note: This is a labor of love; the list moderator derives no income from any activities of this list. The intent is to create Internet- and personal community in the moderator's home (the San Francisco Bay area) and beyond. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 > Boy it must really take a bunch of extra work to become aware of all > of this Yeah, but you know, it's been really fun. Plus also, once you figure out what works for your family it becomes very, very simple. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 >I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into >hiding.. and just listen. Thanks >charlene Oh, don't let the carmudgeons scare you off. Sometimes the best stuff comes after a good online fight or some inadvertant stupidity. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Message: 53339 From: charlene Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: native nutrition basics...? :I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into :hiding.. and just listen. Thanks :charlene Jump in anytime. Usually the dumbest questions are the ones.. that I ask! Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Charlene, you might check to see if your library has a copy of Nourishing Traditions. If not, perhaps they can get it on interlibrary loan. I've been debating whether to purchase the book or just use the libary. Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:48:25 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) " charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote: > I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into > hiding.. and just listen. Thanks > charlene > > No need to apologize. Hang in there and ask away! War, the God That Failed http://tinyurl.com/2npch " They told just the same, That just because a tyrant has the might By force of arms to murder men downright And burn down house and home and leave all flat They call the man a captain, just for that. But since an outlaw with his little band Cannot bring half such mischief on the land Or be the cause of so much harm and grief, He only earns the title of a thief. " --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Message: 53345 From: Heidi Schuppenhauer Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: native nutrition basics...? :>I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into :>hiding.. and just listen. Thanks :>charlene :Oh, don't let the carmudgeons scare you off. Sometimes the :best stuff comes after a good online fight or some inadvertant :stupidity. Are we name calling now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 >Are we name calling now? Sorry, it was meant humorously, in reference to a previous talk about carmudgeons ... I certainly did not mean to speak carmudgeonly myself ... ! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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