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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

In a few words

> can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from

> bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd

> like to try to understand what the basics are.

> thanks bunches.

> charlene

>

Hi Charlene,

Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/

It will give you a primer on what we are all about.

A good place to start on basic nutrition is here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html

I'm sure others will give you more.

Hope this helps!

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

In a few words

> can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from

> bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd

> like to try to understand what the basics are.

> thanks bunches.

> charlene

>

>

Hi Charlene,

Here from the Weston Price website is some characteristics of

" "

# The diets of healthy primitive and nonindustrialized peoples contain no

refined or denatured foods such as refined sugar or corn syrup; white flour;

canned foods; pasteurized, homogenized, skim or low-fat milk; refined or

hydrogenated vegetable oils; protein powders; artificial vitamins or toxic

additives and colorings.

# All traditional cultures consume some sort of animal protein and fat from fish

and other seafood; water and land fowl; land animals; eggs; milk and milk

products; reptiles; and insects.

# Primitive diets contain at least four times the calcium and other minerals and

TEN times the fat soluble vitamins from animal fats (vitamin A, vitamin D and

the Price Factor) as the average American diet.

# In all traditional cultures, some animal products are eaten raw.

# Primitive and traditional diets have a high food-enzyme content from raw dairy

products, raw meat and fish; raw honey; tropical fruits; cold-pressed oils; wine

and unpasteurized beer; and naturally preserved, lacto-fermented vegetables,

fruits, beverages, meats and condiments.

# Seeds, grains and nuts are soaked, sprouted, fermented or naturally leavened

in order to neutralize naturally occuring antinutrients in these foods, such as

phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors, tannins and complex carbohydrates.

# Total fat content of traditional diets varies from 30% to 80% but only about

4% of calories come from polyunsaturated oils naturally occurring in grains,

pulses, nuts, fish, animal fats and vegetables. The balance of fat calories is

in the form of saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids.

# Traditional diets contain nearly equal amounts of omega-6 and omega-3

essential fatty acids.

# All primitive diets contain some salt.

# Tradtional cultures consume animal bones, usually in the form of gelatin-rich

bone broths.

# Traditional cultures make provisions for the health of future generations by

providing special nutrient-rich foods for parents-to-be, pregnant women and

growing children; by proper spacing of children; and by teaching the principles

of right diet to the young.

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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>Could someone take the time to give me a little background on the

>basics of this group and which line of thinking it pursues? In a few words

>can you explain the term native - nutrition?

Charlene:

Hi and welcome!

The group is more or less based on the book " Nourishing Traditions " which

covers a wide variety of things ... basically how we process food now vs.

in the past. The book was written by Sally Fallon, and was inspired by the

work of Weston Price in the '30s. You really have to read the book to

get the gist of the whole thing, but it includes such concepts as:

-- the importance of fermented foods

-- why you should soak or sprout grains before eating them

-- why bone broths are good for you

-- grass fed vs grain fed meats

-- eating organ meats

-- good fats vs. bad fats (it's not what you think!)

You can read some of the ideas on:

http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

Anyway, both Weston Price and Sally Fallon were WAY before their time ...

some of the studies that are being done now are validating a lot of it.

Heidi Jean

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Hi Charlene,

Definitely visit www.westonaprice.org, and perhaps you can find

Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon at your local library or have it

sent to your library from another branch. The book is well worth

owning, but perhaps you'd prefer the try before you buy approach. If

you'd like to download some sample chapters for free, visit

http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/SallyFallon/index.html

Many people I know had no idea about the website, they only knew about

the book, which is much more than a cookbook. The section

introductions and information in the side panels will teach you more

than you can imagine about nutrition - perhaps enough to be able to

follow some of the crazy stuff posted here. :-)

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

In a few words

> can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from

> bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I'd

> like to try to understand what the basics are.

> thanks bunches.

> charlene

>

Hi Charlene,

Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/

It will give you a primer on what we are all about.

A good place to start on basic nutrition is here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html

I'm sure others will give you more.

Hope this helps!

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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thanks for the starting point..

char

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

In a few words

> can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from

> bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I

d

> like to try to understand what the basics are.

> thanks bunches.

> charlene

>

Hi Charlene,

Your best bet is to check out this website: http://www.westonaprice.org/

It will give you a primer on what we are all about.

A good place to start on basic nutrition is here: http://www.westonaprice

org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html

I'm sure others will give you more.

Hope this helps!

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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Boy it must really take a bunch of extra work to become aware of all of this

..It is very interesting. I'll have to read some of the listed materiasl..

thanks

charlene

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:09:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

In a few words

> can you explain the term native - nutrition? I've seen everything from

> bone soups to raw diets ....so at the risk of sounding absolutely stupid I

d

> like to try to understand what the basics are.

> thanks bunches.

> charlene

>

>

Hi Charlene,

Here from the Weston Price website is some characteristics of

" "

# The diets of healthy primitive and nonindustrialized peoples contain no

refined or denatured foods such as refined sugar or corn syrup; white flour;

canned foods; pasteurized, homogenized, skim or low-fat milk; refined or

hydrogenated vegetable oils; protein powders; artificial vitamins or toxic

additives and colorings.

# All traditional cultures consume some sort of animal protein and fat from

fish and other seafood; water and land fowl; land animals; eggs; milk and

milk products; reptiles; and insects.

# Primitive diets contain at least four times the calcium and other minerals

and TEN times the fat soluble vitamins from animal fats (vitamin A, vitamin

D and the Price Factor) as the average American diet.

# In all traditional cultures, some animal products are eaten raw.

# Primitive and traditional diets have a high food-enzyme content from raw

dairy products, raw meat and fish; raw honey; tropical fruits; cold-pressed

oils; wine and unpasteurized beer; and naturally preserved, lacto-fermented

vegetables, fruits, beverages, meats and condiments.

# Seeds, grains and nuts are soaked, sprouted, fermented or naturally

leavened in order to neutralize naturally occuring antinutrients in these

foods, such as phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors, tannins and complex

carbohydrates.

# Total fat content of traditional diets varies from 30% to 80% but only

about 4% of calories come from polyunsaturated oils naturally occurring in

grains, pulses, nuts, fish, animal fats and vegetables. The balance of fat

calories is in the form of saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids.

# Traditional diets contain nearly equal amounts of omega-6 and omega-3

essential fatty acids.

# All primitive diets contain some salt.

# Tradtional cultures consume animal bones, usually in the form of

gelatin-rich bone broths.

# Traditional cultures make provisions for the health of future generations

by providing special nutrient-rich foods for parents-to-be, pregnant women

and growing children; by proper spacing of children; and by teaching the

principles of right diet to the young.

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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Message: 53319 From: charlene Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:09 AM

Subject: native nutrition basics...?

:Hello

:I've been lurking for a while, and trying to understand what this group is

:all about..

Didn't you receive the intro below when you joined the group?

Its also on the group homepage.

-Darrell

" We support one another in exploring Sally Fallon's book " Nourishing

Traditions " ,

a wonderful cookbook and guide to wise food choices and to proper preparation

techniques.

We address the question " How can we achieve radiant health with the regenerating

food practices of isolated, non-industrialized populations? - the healthiest

people ever studied. "

We consider the influence of a dentist, Dr. Weston Price. From the preface:

" During the 1930's, Dr. Price traveled the world over to observe population

groups untouched by civilization, living entirely on local foods. While the

diets of these peoples differed in many particulars, they contained several

factors in common. Almost, without exception, the groups he studied ate

liberally of seafood or other animal proteins and fats in the form of organ

meats and dairy products; they values animal fats as absolutely necessary to

good health; and they ate fats, meats, fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts,

seeds and whole grains in their whole, unrefined state. All primitive diets

contained some raw foods, of both animal and vegetable origin. "

" Dr. Price found fourteen groups-from isolated Irish and Swiss, from

Eskimos to Africans-in which almost every member of the tribe or village

enjoyed superb health. They were free of chronic disease, dental decay and

mental illness; they were strong, sturdy and attractive; and they produced

healthy children with ease, generation after generation. "

" Nourishing Traditions " is available through " Radiant Life, " a mail order

company that carries products supporting native nutrition and sustainable

living: (888) 593-8333. (A portion of their proceeds go to the Weston A.

Price Foundation: www.WestonAPrice.org/WestonAPrice@....) Amazon.com

also carries the book.

Please note: This is a labor of love; the list moderator derives no income

from any activities of this list. The intent is to create Internet- and

personal community in the moderator's home (the San Francisco Bay area) and

beyond. "

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I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into

hiding.. and just listen. Thanks

charlene

-- native nutrition basics...?

:Hello

:I've been lurking for a while, and trying to understand what this group is

:all about..

Didn't you receive the intro below when you joined the group?

Its also on the group homepage.

-Darrell

" We support one another in exploring Sally Fallon's book " Nourishing

Traditions " ,

a wonderful cookbook and guide to wise food choices and to proper

preparation

techniques.

We address the question " How can we achieve radiant health with the

regenerating

food practices of isolated, non-industrialized populations? - the healthiest

people ever studied. "

We consider the influence of a dentist, Dr. Weston Price. From the preface:

" During the 1930's, Dr. Price traveled the world over to observe population

groups untouched by civilization, living entirely on local foods. While the

diets of these peoples differed in many particulars, they contained several

factors in common. Almost, without exception, the groups he studied ate

liberally of seafood or other animal proteins and fats in the form of organ

meats and dairy products; they values animal fats as absolutely necessary to

good health; and they ate fats, meats, fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts,

seeds and whole grains in their whole, unrefined state. All primitive diets

contained some raw foods, of both animal and vegetable origin. "

" Dr. Price found fourteen groups-from isolated Irish and Swiss, from

Eskimos to Africans-in which almost every member of the tribe or village

enjoyed superb health. They were free of chronic disease, dental decay and

mental illness; they were strong, sturdy and attractive; and they produced

healthy children with ease, generation after generation. "

" Nourishing Traditions " is available through " Radiant Life, " a mail order

company that carries products supporting native nutrition and sustainable

living: (888) 593-8333. (A portion of their proceeds go to the Weston A.

Price Foundation: www.WestonAPrice.org/WestonAPrice@....) Amazon.com

also carries the book.

Please note: This is a labor of love; the list moderator derives no income

from any activities of this list. The intent is to create Internet- and

personal community in the moderator's home (the San Francisco Bay area) and

beyond. "

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> Boy it must really take a bunch of extra work to become aware of all

> of this

Yeah, but you know, it's been really fun. Plus also, once you figure

out what works for your family it becomes very, very simple.

Lynn S.

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http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

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>I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into

>hiding.. and just listen. Thanks

>charlene

Oh, don't let the carmudgeons scare you off. Sometimes the

best stuff comes after a good online fight or some inadvertant

stupidity.

Heidi Jean

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Message: 53339 From: charlene Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:48 PM

Subject: Re: Re: native nutrition basics...?

:I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into

:hiding.. and just listen. Thanks

:charlene

Jump in anytime. Usually the dumbest questions are the ones.. that I ask!

Darrell

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Charlene, you might check to see if your library has a copy

of Nourishing Traditions. If not, perhaps they can get it on

interlibrary loan. I've been debating whether to purchase the

book or just use the libary.

Darrell

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:48:25 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

" charlene " <leche_de_tejas@...> wrote:

> I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into

> hiding.. and just listen. Thanks

> charlene

>

>

No need to apologize. Hang in there and ask away!

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

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Message: 53345 From: Heidi Schuppenhauer Received: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: native nutrition basics...?

:>I'm sorry, I was just trying to learn something more. I'll go back into

:>hiding.. and just listen. Thanks

:>charlene

:Oh, don't let the carmudgeons scare you off. Sometimes the

:best stuff comes after a good online fight or some inadvertant

:stupidity.

Are we name calling now?

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>Are we name calling now?

Sorry, it was meant humorously, in

reference to a previous talk about

carmudgeons ... I certainly did not

mean to speak carmudgeonly myself ... !

Heidi Jean

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