Re: Are all grains really bad for you?

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the double post, but I just did a search and found the post

I was referring to in my last post. Katja wrote:

>there's nothing good for you about grains anyway - they're just empty

calories even if you go to the trouble of soaking and sprouting them.

Is that really true?

Ciao,

Dawn

--- In , " dawnciano " <dawnciano@y...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I can't remember who wrote it, but the other day someone in the group

> stated that all grains are bad for you regardless of whether you

> sprout or soak them. Can that statement be backed up? Didn't Price

> find that the best diet overall was a combination of whole grains and

> fish?

>

> Just curious,

>

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Katja,

> the grain you can buy today like as not is grown in

> crappy soil, so you can't count on any particular vitamin content,

Isn't that true for vegetables as well? And what about the lands that

cows, sheep etc. graze on? They're probably pretty depleted too, no?

Probably the only place that is not depleted is the ocean or the sea.

>if you *lurrrrve* yourself some long-soaked oatmeal on a

> winter morning, by all means, go for it, but understand that it's

just for

> the happy, not for any kind of real health benefit.

Then why does Fallon, in " Nasty, Brutish and Short? " , write:

" Weston Price's studies convinced him that the best diet was one that

combined nutrient-dense WHOLE GRAINS [my emphasis] with animal

products, particularly fish. The healthiest African tribe he studied

was the Dinkas, a Sudanese tribe on the western bank of the Nile. They

were not as tall as the cattle-herding Neurs groups but they were

physically better proportioned and had greater strength. Their diet

consisted mainly of fish and CEREAL GRAINS [my emphasis]. This is one

of the most important lessons of Price's research?that a mixed diet of

whole foods, one that avoids the extremes of the carnivorous Masai and

the largely vegetarian Bantu, ensures optimum physical development. "

Do you disagree with her and Price? If you do, what research have you

seen that argues so strongly against grains? Do you not eat any

grains at all or are they some types that you think are better than

others?

I'm not trying to be a pain in the behind. I'm just trying to figure

out what is the best diet overall. I know that everyone is different

and not everyone does well eating the same things, but there must be

some general guidelines. Quite honestly, when I think about it

sometimes, it seems that there's a problem with everything one would

want to eat.

To eat grains or not to eat grains... that is the question

Ciao,

Dawn

[Guest guest]

> all i could think reading this, though, is " you must be new

here " ...imagine

> it said just the right way by that bartender (or whatever) in all the

> movies when somebody walks in off the street with wide eyes

Well, sort of. I haven't had much time to post since my daughter

was born last October, but I've been following the NT diet for about

two years now. Thanks for answering my post even though you didn't

have much time.

> 3. nope, we don't eat any grains at all. we DO eat lots and lots of

> vegetables, nuts, some fruit, and all kinds of animal products: fish,

> poultry, beef, beef, beef, pork, dairy and more dairy. all of it

grassfed,

> pasture raised, and none* of it has ever eaten any grain.

I'm having a problem finding raw dairy here in Rome (Italy not Rome,

Georgia ). I have found good raw cheeses from Italy and France

(there's a great site for a Parisian shop that ships worldwide - they

even have raw Brie). Do you think that raw cheeses are as good as raw

yogurt?

>

> 3b. yep, there's definitely some grains better than others. all

> non-glutenous grains are better than all glutenous grains, which are

not in

> any way* fit for human consumption. (*unless you belong to a remote

inbred

> middle eastern tribe, in which case you may actually have adapted

away the

> genes for gluten intolerance.) probably some day i'll get a craving

for a

> good rice pudding...

So, essentially all humans are gluten intolerant...hmmm that's

interesting. Maybe I should stop eating grains and see if my sinus

allergies clear up. That would be a beautiful thing. I could

definitely give up grain if it meant I didn't have to deal with

sneezing and itching.

Don't feel obliged to answer all my questions if you don't have hte

time. I'm just curious about how you feed your family because it

sounds like you really know your stuff. I really want my baby

daughter to grow up eating healthy things as much as possible so

she'll never have to deal with allergies, cavities etc. etc. Any

websites you could recommend with good non-grain recipes and

information about the " evils " of gluten?

Ciao,

Dawn

>

> At 03:55 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote:

> >Hi Katja,

> >

> > > the grain you can buy today like as not is grown in

> > > crappy soil, so you can't count on any particular vitamin content,

> >

> >Isn't that true for vegetables as well? And what about the lands that

> >cows, sheep etc. graze on? They're probably pretty depleted too, no?

> > Probably the only place that is not depleted is the ocean or the sea.

> >

> >

> > >if you *lurrrrve* yourself some long-soaked oatmeal on a

> > > winter morning, by all means, go for it, but understand that it's

> >just for

> > > the happy, not for any kind of real health benefit.

> >

> >Then why does Fallon, in " Nasty, Brutish and Short? " , write:

> > " Weston Price's studies convinced him that the best diet was one that

> >combined nutrient-dense WHOLE GRAINS [my emphasis] with animal

> >products, particularly fish. The healthiest African tribe he studied

> >was the Dinkas, a Sudanese tribe on the western bank of the Nile. They

> >were not as tall as the cattle-herding Neurs groups but they were

> >physically better proportioned and had greater strength. Their diet

> >consisted mainly of fish and CEREAL GRAINS [my emphasis]. This is one

> >of the most important lessons of Price's research?that a mixed diet of

> >whole foods, one that avoids the extremes of the carnivorous Masai and

> >the largely vegetarian Bantu, ensures optimum physical development. "

> >

> >Do you disagree with her and Price? If you do, what research have you

> >seen that argues so strongly against grains? Do you not eat any

> >grains at all or are they some types that you think are better than

> >others?

> >

> >I'm not trying to be a pain in the behind. I'm just trying to figure

> >out what is the best diet overall. I know that everyone is different

> >and not everyone does well eating the same things, but there must be

> >some general guidelines. Quite honestly, when I think about it

> >sometimes, it seems that there's a problem with everything one would

> >want to eat.

> >

> >To eat grains or not to eat grains... that is the question

> >

> >Ciao,

> >

> >Dawn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Are you referring to a brand of pasta, and is it brown rice pasta? I see this

in my co-op catalog, so I may order some and try it.

Steph

Oh, and if it hasn't been posted by the time I send this (I'm on digest), would

you mind posting the brownie recipe? Sounds delicious. TIA.

" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:36:20 -0700

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer

Subject: Re: Re: Are all grains really " bad " for you?

Tinkyada pasta tastes like wheat pasta "

[Guest guest]

> ooh, fun! are you also italian, or a displaced american?

Displaced American, but after living here for almost a total of 7

years, I'm starting to feel Italian. The no gluten thing is going to

be tough on my husband who is Italian. Never deprive an Italian of

his pasta! (I guess I'll have to keep making that for him every now

and again - maybe I'll find some good rice pasta).

>

> raw cheeses are not necessarily cultured, and the culture is the

best thing

> about yogurt. that said, i still think raw milk cheeses are glorious!

I'll have to make do with raw cheeses and pasteurized organic yogurt

for now I guess.

> >So, essentially all humans are gluten intolerant...hmmm that's

> >interesting. Maybe I should stop eating grains and see if my sinus

> >allergies clear up. That would be a beautiful thing. I could

> >definitely give up grain if it meant I didn't have to deal with

> >sneezing and itching.

>

> yes yes yes!!! you absolutely should! just ask heidi!

> i'll forward my gluten reference sheet to the list - it includes a

summary

> of (some but not all) related disorders. you'll be shocked! other

people

> will also add having metal fillings removed...

I still have my mercury fillings because I'm still breastfeeding. I

want them removed asap once I stop.

>

Any

> >websites you could recommend with good non-grain recipes and

> >information about the " evils " of gluten?

>

> nonono, it's no problem. this is a particular passion of mine. i'm

like,

> the glutenator in training! ( " the glutenator " is the name someone gave

> heidi jean for starting us all down this path )

>

> check out the reference list following, and also i have a great cookie

> recipe i'll forward separately too

Thanks! You may have another " glutenator " in training

Ciao,

Dawn

[Guest guest]

I'd have to concur with the idea that the ocean is bummin' these

days too. In two totally different magazines I read this last week,

there were in detail reports of what fishes are safe and not safe to

eat, and which ones had highest levels of mercury and contaminants.

Neither of these were food periodicals and were actually fairly

different genres of information. After reading it, the choices are

extraordinarily limited in what's safe to eat anymore. And what is

safe is insanely expensive. So while I used to enjoy nothing like a

good fried bluegill when I was a kid, I think I'll be passing on the

fish plate.

>

> here's the short short though:

> 1. yep. everything's depleted (except the few high-brix farmers

who are

> changing that). sucks! all the more reason to be careful what you

buy and

> to not waste calories with anything that *isn't* nutrient dense.

(i'm

> pretty sure the ocean is bummin' too these days.)

> -katja