Re: Re: Burning Fat for Energy- Warrior Diet- Heidi, Chris & others

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In a message dated 8/28/04 11:20:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dezinegal@... writes:

OK, so now what I'm wondering is why do you all who are doing the

Warrior Diet, are not worried about the studies showing a connection

between fructose elevating triglycerides, which seems to increase the

risk of heart disease?(I know they are not absolutely conclusive).

However, since fructose is found in all fruit and some veggies like

potatoes that might explain why the Inuit and Masai have no type 1 or 2

diabetes or heart disease when they stay on their native diets.

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Hi ,

I'm not particularly convinced that elevated triglycerides play much of a

role in heart disease, but I do believe, based on the research, that long-term

consumption of fructose damages glucose tolerance.

Except for occasional binges, usually when I'm low on money, my fructose

consumption is pretty low. I don't drink fruit juices, and I don't even eat a

large amount of fruit, and I don't consume high fructose corn syrup, and I

prefer

to use glucose-based sugars like maltose over sucrose if I use sweeteners.

So I'm not really sure what the issue is with the Warrior Diet. Ori does

recommend fruits and veggies during the undereating phase, but he doesn't

recommend pigging out on them, and he says in his second book that one should

maximize their dietary glucose to fructose ratio.

Chris

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> Re: Re: Burning Fat for Energy- Warrior Diet- Heidi, Chris

> & others

>

>

>OK, so now what I'm wondering is why do you all who are doing the

>Warrior Diet, are not worried about the studies showing a connection

>between fructose elevating triglycerides, which seems to increase the

>risk of heart disease?(I know they are not absolutely conclusive).

>However, since fructose is found in all fruit and some veggies like

>potatoes that might explain why the Inuit and Masai have no type 1 or 2

>diabetes or heart disease when they stay on their native diets.

>

>~

NONE of Price's primitives had either type of diabetes when eating their

native diets. Also, FWIW, both the Masai and Eskimos ate a small amount of

fruit.

Suze Fisher

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/29/04 9:27:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

Also, FWIW, both the Masai and Eskimos ate a small amount of

fruit.

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Didn't the Inuit get nearly all of their carbs from fruit? I thought they

principally ate berries as a carb food.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>OK, so now what I'm wondering is why do you all who are doing the

>Warrior Diet, are not worried about the studies showing a connection

>between fructose elevating triglycerides, which seems to increase the

>risk of heart disease?(I know they are not absolutely conclusive).

>However, since fructose is found in all fruit and some veggies like

>potatoes that might explain why the Inuit and Masai have no type 1 or 2

>diabetes or heart disease when they stay on their native diets.

>

>~Emil

My take on fructose is that the basic issue is, at the core, pushing

*too much* fructose (and other sugars/starches) into the body.

Most of the fructose ingested in this country is either in juices

or, more commonly, as corn syrup, so you can eat a huge quantity

of fructose really fast, and it goes straight into the bloodstream.

Now, if you eat an apple ... first, it's in chunks, so it doesn't

hit the bloodstream fast. But really WHO can eat more than

one apple? Well, MAYBE two. An apple has like 50 calories

and 10 grams of carb, and has maybe 1/4 cup of apple juice?

But people can and do drink a whole Big Gulp, which is maybe 30 apples?

When you think that the SAD is absolutely drenched in fructose,

that is a really different problem (for most folks) than just

eating a few pieces of fruit. Most people never even eat

the minimal fruit specified on the food pyramid (or vegies ...

they eat mainly starch/sugar and a little meat and some vegie oils.

Anyway, I just don't think whole fruit is a problem. I don't

drink fruit juice, and I don't like sweet foods in general, but

I don't notice any ill effects from eating fruit through the day,

and it is really difficult to overdose on raw fruit, probably because

they are full of nutrients and fiber.

And there were groups of people who ate a lot of fruit and

remained thin and diabetes free. The Hawaiians are an interesting

case ... they ate taro (mostly fermented) and lots of fruit and

meat, but they were thin and active when Cook met them. But

now they are fat and diabetic.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>> An apple has like 50 calories

and 10 grams of carb <<

Actually, a medium sized apple has 21 grams of carbs and 80 calories.

And 3.7 grams of fiber.

Christie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/04 3:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dezinegal@... writes:

I'm also wondering if the

USDA database is now low on carb counts because some of today's

apples/fruits are *so* sweet they taste like they've been injected with

sugar! I tried to eat a Fuji apple last week that i couldnt finish as

it was *way* too sweet.

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I do think that producers tend to go for " sweeter, " but you may also be more

sensitive to the sweet taste now that you are reducing your carb intake. When

I stopped eating sugar, fruits and other sweet things became sweeter to me.

And most desserts became nauseatingly excessively sweet.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>> Actually, a medium sized apple has 21 grams of carbs and 80 calories.

>>

>> And 3.7 grams of fiber.

Maybe I was on the 1/2 cup line ... anyway, I looked up a soda (small can)

and it has 38 g. of carbs and zero fiber. When they do studies of " fructose "

they usually use something like soda, or corn syrup ... an apple stays in

your stomach longer and digests slower, and you generally eat just one.

But if a small pop has 38 g of carb how much does a Big Gulp have?

Heidi Jean