Re: Post workout NT food ideas

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

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University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

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>

September 15, 2004

it depends on what your goals are, but generally the accepted theory (in the

exercise world) is you want to have some higher GI carbs PWO and protein.

save the fat for before and later on. milk is ok, as it's relatively lower

in fat (coconut milk is way higher in fat i believe) high in carbs, and has

protein as well. fruit such as banana, dates, or something like that is

great. you could make a milk and raw egg smoothie with berries for

antioxidants (which are needed PWO due to the stress on the body). honey

has been shown in some studies to be very good for a workout/pwo supplement.

i would save it for during or just after your workout if you choose to use

it. you could mix it with your drink. you would also most likely want to

eat a decent sized meal within about an hour or so of working out, meaning a

high protein meal which could also contain carbs such as lower GI foods like

rice, lower gi fruits and potatoes etc. if you eat that sort of thing, the

hour after you workout is the time to do it.

Post workout NT food ideas

Hello,

Thanks to those of you who mentioned Kettlebells on this forum. I've

recently started and they are the absolute BOMB!

For those working out with K-bells or other weights, what is your

post-workout food? I'm totally NT, can't stand thought of protein

powders. Just curious to what others are doing especially post-

workout. I'm eating a lot more meat in general.

cheers,

September 15, 2004

I read a study a while ago that talked about honey PWO. I'll have to see if I

can dig it up. I don't recall exactly why it's good, but it's a whole food and

it will give a moderate insulin response after working out. this is important

supposedly because it will force the sugar in the blood into the muscles which

allows them to recover and grow. i have heard of some athletes who do just fine

without this, but i think it really depends on what you are trying to do. a

marathon runner and a bodybuilder will have different needs and goals. if your

current diet is NOT giving you the results you want and the health you are

looking for, then by all means change it.

as far as you missing out on something by not eating sugar PWO... well, yes and

no. if your body can't handle sugar in any form, then it's completely OK for

you to NOT eat sugary foods. You have to be the judge. I am able to eat high

GI foods right after (and sometimes during) my workouts without feeling the

affects of the sugar rush/crash. any other time, and I definately am affected

by them in a negative way.

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Hi ,

I saw eats honey PWO, too.

What makes it a good? Just curious?

fruit such as banana, dates, or something like that is

great.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I don't eat such starchy, sweet stuff--I get sugar madness. Am I missing

out on something important?

Thanks,

B.

September 15, 2004

> Re: Post workout NT food ideas

>

>In a message dated 9/15/2004 4:58:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>s.fisher22@... writes:

>

>That evening I'll eat about a pound of

>>meat or fish.

>>> live aggresively!

>>> Com. B.

>>

>>A pound of meat?!! Now that is what I'm talking about!!

>>

>>You and Suze should have a little powwow about how to do the WD, LOL!

>>

>

>Very funny. If I *could* eat a pound of meat, I would. My stomach

>just won't

>tolerate that much at one sitting. We'll see though as I step up my

>workouts...

>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===

>Stomach? Huh? I just make more room on my big butt...

> B.

>(getting ready for the butt-pageant at the conference)

Ha! Mee too. My goal at the conference is to beat Dady's butt, which

*she* thinks is large. We'll see...

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

>

September 15, 2004

> Re: Post workout NT food ideas

>

>In a message dated 9/15/2004 7:30:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>downwardog@... writes:

>

>That evening I'll eat about a pound of

>>meat or fish.

>>> live aggresively!

>>> Com. B.

>>

>>A pound of meat?!! Now that is what I'm talking about!!

>>

>>You and Suze should have a little powwow about how to do the WD, LOL!

>>

>

>Very funny. If I *could* eat a pound of meat, I would. My stomach just

>won't

>tolerate that much at one sitting. We'll see though as I step up my

>workouts...

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>I forgot something important: The fish is raw ceviche and the

>meat is only

>just-seared.

>If I ate a pound of fully-cooked meat it would be harder to get down and

>feel a lot heavier for a lot longer.

>But the quantity is still the same.

> B.

Oh funny, I'm eating ceviche as I write this. And I must confess, probably

the main reason I can't get a pound of meat down at my WD meal is because

I've already downed a few brews and a big snack before digging in to dinner!

Plus I've been lax in my workouts lately. OK, I'm getting back on track

today!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

>

September 15, 2004

Elaine,

You need to eat enough, sleep a lot and keep the stress of your

outside-of-training-life down.

Otherwise, you'll just feel exhausted and keep your cortisol levels

elevated. It sounds like you're over-ambitious.

No expert, here,

B.

September 15, 2004

Hello,

Thanks to everyone for replies!

Tried the Warrior diet a while ago but i sided with breakfast. Now

that I am working out with k-bells in late afternoon, i want a big

dinner with lots of protein and calories. Then just fruit for

breakfast. So going back to trying that out. Interesting that

the 'warrior diet' only starts to work when living the 'warrior

life.'

cheers,

> I read a study a while ago that talked about honey PWO. I'll have

to see if I can dig it up. I don't recall exactly why it's good, but

it's a whole food and it will give a moderate insulin response after

working out. this is important supposedly because it will force the

sugar in the blood into the muscles which allows them to recover and

grow. i have heard of some athletes who do just fine without this,

but i think it really depends on what you are trying to do. a

marathon runner and a bodybuilder will have different needs and

goals. if your current diet is NOT giving you the results you want

and the health you are looking for, then by all means change it.

> as far as you missing out on something by not eating sugar PWO...

well, yes and no. if your body can't handle sugar in any form, then

it's completely OK for you to NOT eat sugary foods. You have to be

the judge. I am able to eat high GI foods right after (and sometimes

during) my workouts without feeling the affects of the sugar

rush/crash. any other time, and I definately am affected by them in

a negative way.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> Hi ,

> I saw eats honey PWO, too.

> What makes it a good? Just curious?

>

> fruit such as banana, dates, or something like that is

> great.

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> I don't eat such starchy, sweet stuff--I get sugar madness. Am I

missing

> out on something important?

> Thanks,

> B.

>

September 15, 2004

Cool - another Northern Californian who trains with kettlebells, is into NT and

shops at the same places at Ferry Plaza farmer's market. Are you sure you're not

me?

-------------- Original message --------------

>

> Hello,

>

> Thanks to everyone for replies!

>

> Tried the Warrior diet a while ago but i sided with breakfast. Now

> that I am working out with k-bells in late afternoon, i want a big

> dinner with lots of protein and calories. Then just fruit for

> breakfast. So going back to trying that out. Interesting that

> the 'warrior diet' only starts to work when living the 'warrior

> life.'

>

> cheers,

>

> > I read a study a while ago that talked about honey PWO. I'll have

> to see if I can dig it up. I don't recall exactly why it's good, but

> it's a whole food and it will give a moderate insulin response after

> working out. this is important supposedly because it will force the

> sugar in the blood into the muscles which allows them to recover and

> grow. i have heard of some athletes who do just fine without this,

> but i think it really depends on what you are trying to do. a

> marathon runner and a bodybuilder will have different needs and

> goals. if your current diet is NOT giving you the results you want

> and the health you are looking for, then by all means change it.

> > as far as you missing out on something by not eating sugar PWO...

> well, yes and no. if your body can't handle sugar in any form, then

> it's completely OK for you to NOT eat sugary foods. You have to be

> the judge. I am able to eat high GI foods right after (and sometimes

> during) my workouts without feeling the affects of the sugar

> rush/crash. any other time, and I definately am affected by them in

> a negative way.

> >

> > -------------- Original message --------------

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I saw eats honey PWO, too.

> > What makes it a good? Just curious?

> >

> > fruit such as banana, dates, or something like that is

> > great.

> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> > I don't eat such starchy, sweet stuff--I get sugar madness. Am I

> missing

> > out on something important?

> > Thanks,

> > B.

> >

September 15, 2004

Right now I'm using a quart of raw milk with 4 tbsp maple syrup, 1/4 tsp

salt, 1/4 tsp cinnamon. (The latter two are to make the sugar absorb and be

utilized faster).

I'd use raw skim milk if you can get it for post-workout. If you skimmed

your own, use the cream later in the evening.

(Not advocating skim milk for general use, just for post-workout, to hasten

absorption of the protein and sugar.)

Chris

September 15, 2004

In a message dated 9/15/04 7:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

Very funny. If I *could* eat a pound of meat, I would. My stomach just won't

tolerate that much at one sitting. We'll see though as I step up my

workouts...

____

~~~~> Pound of meat? I can eat a pound of steak and two half-pound burgers

in one sitting! (More, if I have it, if you include a " sitting " as consecutive

meals over a couple hours.)

Chris

September 15, 2004

In a message dated 9/15/04 8:55:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lisabujak@... writes:

fruit such as banana, dates, or something like that is

great.

____

~~~> I wouldn't use fruit, becasue fructose is converted to glucose at a

realtively low rate (60% or so) and over time. I'd value honey the highest,

which

has some fructose, but a high percentage of free glucose.

Chris

September 15, 2004

In a message dated 9/15/04 5:15:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

itchyink@... writes:

Maybe you all can help me. Whenever i weight train, which is about three

days a week, i'm wiped out the rest of the day. Is this normal?

____

~~~> No, it isn't. You should feel good.

____

Or am i not

replenishing something? I'm also a nursing mom and generally sleep-deprived

to some extent, but lifting weights (i do the low reps with lots of weight

method) seems to take it out of me for the rest of the day. I'm also doing

those 20 full squats.

_____

~~~~> FWIW, I found 20-rep squats to be exhausting, and all my other workouts

to be energizing. I'm not big on high-rep exercises.

_____

I don't want to quit and in fact i want to check out

the kettle balls. I'm also trying to lose 40 pounds of fat so i can't go all

out foodwise. Nothing seems to pep me back up and i start craving stimulants

(sugar and caffeine).

_____

~~~> You should probably try using sugar after your workout. Use a quality

source. You may be depleting your glycogen and not replenishing it.

I also find L-glutamine gives me a boost after a workout.

Chris

September 15, 2004

Maybe you all can help me. Whenever i weight train, which is about three

days a week, i'm wiped out the rest of the day. Is this normal? Or am i not

replenishing something? I'm also a nursing mom and generally sleep-deprived

to some extent, but lifting weights (i do the low reps with lots of weight

method) seems to take it out of me for the rest of the day. I'm also doing

those 20 full squats. I don't want to quit and in fact i want to check out

the kettle balls. I'm also trying to lose 40 pounds of fat so i can't go all

out foodwise. Nothing seems to pep me back up and i start craving stimulants

(sugar and caffeine).

Elaine

September 16, 2004

> Re: Post workout NT food ideas

>

>In a message dated 9/15/04 7:58:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>s.fisher22@... writes:

>Very funny. If I *could* eat a pound of meat, I would. My stomach

>just won't

>tolerate that much at one sitting. We'll see though as I step up my

>workouts...

>____

>

>~~~~> Pound of meat? I can eat a pound of steak and two

>half-pound burgers

>in one sitting! (More, if I have it, if you include a " sitting "

>as consecutive

>meals over a couple hours.)

>

>Chris

>

Right. That's why I referred to you as a " pig " in a previous post.

;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics