Re: Re: POLITICS - Voting

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The notion that voting is immoral is absolute crap. One can agree with much

of what you are saying below, and still reach the conclusion, for instance,

that in this present election that more people in the world will be less

worse off with Kerry rather than Bush. I consider both of them to be

reprehensible. Yet I will probably make the reasoned choice to vote for

Kerry. I respect your choice not to vote. However the notion that I am being

immoral is ridiculous.

> I will throw my two cents in here too. I myself used to vote, but

> now I choose not to. Not only do I find both of the choices morally

> objectionable, I find the whole system morally objectionable. It's

> a system that was once more pure but has been manipulated to the

> point where we loose either way. To me it would be like going to

> Vegas and playing a roulette game where if you bet red, house wins,

> if you bet black, house wins. I would not play that game.

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> Washington has managed to divide the country in half and pit us

> against each other, a pretty smart tactic. Meanwhile we take our

> eye off the true enemy, the republican and democrat politicians who

> are spending the country into bankruptcy, and will continue too.

> Neither will change that and it will probably prove to be the ruin

> of this country. We become obsessed with just winning the game,

> beating the other guy, regardless of the outcome.

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> Both sides primarily use the most primitive human motivator get

> people on their side, fear. One side using fear of foreign enemies

> (more military), the other side using fear of economic loss (more

> welfare). Its pretty obvious neither has the ability nor even the

> true desire to really protect us from these things, but rather uses

> our need for protection to their own advantage. It's the ultimate

> marketing. The government breaks you leg, gives you a crutch, and

> then says " see, you can't walk without me. "

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> Like most people I realize voting today is at the very least a waste

> of time. I would take it one step further and say it's immoral, at

> least in its modern form.

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[Guest guest]

>Like most people I realize voting today is at the very least a waste

>of time. I would take it one step further and say it's immoral, at

>least in its modern form.

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>-Joe

OK, so do you " do " politics on a local level? The part I can't relate to in

the " I don't vote " crowd is basically most of the folks I know in that

crowd are basically sticking their heads in the sand. Let the big boys

do what they want, they just won't get involved. Meanwhile other groups

ARE organising at a grass roots level and are getting what they want.

A good example of this is a neighborhood I used to house sit in.

Rich folks. The city wanted to put a freeway through their neighborhood.

They organized and called and pestered and had town meetings, and

the city moved the freeway and put sound barriers around it. Meanwhile,

in another neighborhood, the folks just ignored the whole issue and

got this noisy nasty freeway.

Another good example was the Civil Rights movement. Lots of folks

marching etc.... you may not agree with the movement (few people

did, esp. at first) but it DID change America at a time when most of

the power was in the hands of white males who had no intention of

changing.

Fact is, while I don't necessarily like the way we do politics, the

politicians DO change what they do based on the fact people vote

for them (or don't). And they take polls.

So yeah, don't vote, don't get involved, then blame " the system " when

you don't get what you want. If you don't care about the mercury

and dioxin and PCB content of your food, or the issues with farm

management and raw dairy, and think corporations should do whatever

they please, then tend to your life and hope for the best.

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Heidi Jean