Re: hungry, opinionated teenagers--compromise?

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will he eat cheese and meat?

if it were my son, i would sit him down (with hubby) and explain carefully

why the new diet is important. no " i'm too cool for this, ma " accepted. i'd

make it clear that it's not optional. then i'd ask him what foods he LIKES

of the new stuff. if he likes meat and cheese, fine. kefir is not required,

ya know? maybe he'd eat kimchi instead. i'd get a list from him about what

he'll eat that is on the tolerated list, and i'd make that available. if

that's steak and cheese, that's what i'd make. (with no bread, of course).

last night we had our own version of onion rings - sauteed onions with two

fabulous dipping sauces, into which i snuck some kefir. i've found you can

get some kefir into smoothies too with no problem.

anyway, the agreement would be: i would make sure the approved stuff he

DOES like is around to snack on, and he would agree to try everything at

least once, quarterly - quarterly cause tastes change, and at least once

cause that way he can continue to add to his list of stuff he likes as you

find more stuff.

one way to try to switch the milk - if you both can agree on it: you can

buy your regular milk he is used to, and mix in raw milk in increasingly

larger amounts, to allow him to " work up to it " . if you did it over the

course of a month...

i'll post my newest kefir creation next...i bet he'll like it!

-katja

At 09:10 AM 9/8/2004, you wrote:

>I have a 15 year old son who has decided that he doesn't like

>the " new " foods--including all that gorgeous raw milk, yogurt, and

>cream I have access to. I also bought him organic peanut butter (no

>sugar.) He HAD been filling up his empty spaces with bread, PB, and

>milk, sometimes as often as between each meal and before bed. Now,

>he is basically doing a hunger-strike, only eating the things he

>likes and complaining about being hungry.

>

>What can I use to fill him up? He's eating 3-4 bananas a day right

>now. I can make smoothies from sweet milk, but not anything tart

>like kefir or yogurt. Should I just make smoothies at every meal

>and in-between as well? (Timely smoothie thread going on right now,

>huh?) I dread buying cookies and granola bars again--all that sugar

>and so little actual nutrition.

>

>(Trust me, I'm the sort of abstract person that will die for a

>cause, eat anything if I believe in the PRINCIPLE behind it. I

>laugh at hunger-strikes . . . the appetite and growing bodies seem

>to work in the parents' favor here. HOWEVER, my husband has a

>tender heart (a good thing, since I LACK one) and hubby hasn't read

>all the books that I have lately. Hubby has asked that I find some

>sort of " middle-ground. " I'm keeping my husband (((smile))) and

>CHOOSING to yield on this point. He is a reasonable man . . . I

>just need some time to bring him up to speed on all the data AND I

>have to feed my son in the meantime.)

>

>Danelle in Kansas

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh also: if he liked granola bars and cookies, you can make your own - use

my oatmealless raisin cookie recipe for cookies, and you can probably

modify that and make your own granola bars too...

-katja

At 09:10 AM 9/8/2004, you wrote:

>I have a 15 year old son who has decided that he doesn't like

>the " new " foods--including all that gorgeous raw milk, yogurt, and

>cream I have access to. I also bought him organic peanut butter (no

>sugar.) He HAD been filling up his empty spaces with bread, PB, and

>milk, sometimes as often as between each meal and before bed. Now,

>he is basically doing a hunger-strike, only eating the things he

>likes and complaining about being hungry.

>

>What can I use to fill him up? He's eating 3-4 bananas a day right

>now. I can make smoothies from sweet milk, but not anything tart

>like kefir or yogurt. Should I just make smoothies at every meal

>and in-between as well? (Timely smoothie thread going on right now,

>huh?) I dread buying cookies and granola bars again--all that sugar

>and so little actual nutrition.

>

>(Trust me, I'm the sort of abstract person that will die for a

>cause, eat anything if I believe in the PRINCIPLE behind it. I

>laugh at hunger-strikes . . . the appetite and growing bodies seem

>to work in the parents' favor here. HOWEVER, my husband has a

>tender heart (a good thing, since I LACK one) and hubby hasn't read

>all the books that I have lately. Hubby has asked that I find some

>sort of " middle-ground. " I'm keeping my husband (((smile))) and

>CHOOSING to yield on this point. He is a reasonable man . . . I

>just need some time to bring him up to speed on all the data AND I

>have to feed my son in the meantime.)

>

>Danelle in Kansas

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you gotta add chocalate syrup to the milk. Adding your own suger

is still a step in the correct direction, and less than anything

storebought. I mixed my milk products half and half. Your son's body is

craving sweet things because of candida overgrowth. If you have whey, mix a

tablespoon in the mayo and ketchup bottles.

It's a lot of work but I have been changing for about 9 months now. I have a

7 yr old ADHD who has real issues with texture. My hubby isn't a dairy eater

by any stretch of the imagination..cream sauces-yuck and I adore them.

Make the crispy nuts. I mix whey in with storebought creamcheese. French

meadow Summer loaf is fantastic.

Soup is goood food, quick and easy.Calcium rich broth in a familar setting.

Change the easy things first. Add butter to everything-he will become

satiated.

Good Luck

C

hungry, opinionated teenagers--compromise?

> I have a 15 year old son who has decided that he doesn't like

> the " new " foods--including all that gorgeous raw milk, yogurt, and

> cream I have access to. I also bought him organic peanut butter (no

> sugar.) He HAD been filling up his empty spaces with bread, PB, and

> milk, sometimes as often as between each meal and before bed. Now,

> he is basically doing a hunger-strike, only eating the things he

> likes and complaining about being hungry.

>

> What can I use to fill him up? He's eating 3-4 bananas a day right

> now. I can make smoothies from sweet milk, but not anything tart

> like kefir or yogurt. Should I just make smoothies at every meal

> and in-between as well? (Timely smoothie thread going on right now,

> huh?) I dread buying cookies and granola bars again--all that sugar

> and so little actual nutrition.

>

> (Trust me, I'm the sort of abstract person that will die for a

> cause, eat anything if I believe in the PRINCIPLE behind it. I

> laugh at hunger-strikes . . . the appetite and growing bodies seem

> to work in the parents' favor here. HOWEVER, my husband has a

> tender heart (a good thing, since I LACK one) and hubby hasn't read

> all the books that I have lately. Hubby has asked that I find some

> sort of " middle-ground. " I'm keeping my husband (((smile))) and

> CHOOSING to yield on this point. He is a reasonable man . . . I

> just need some time to bring him up to speed on all the data AND I

> have to feed my son in the meantime.)

>

> Danelle in Kansas

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does your son eat meat?... eggs?... fish?... sandwiches made with good breads

and fillings?...

My 19 & 14 yr old boys are also always hungry in that teenage-boys kind of

way... they love omelettes with ham... generous portions of cold turkey roast

and any other meat-loaded dish... sometimes I make them a 'pâté' from avocados

and hard-boiled eggs, salt & pepper... that's between meals stuff... at dinner

they eat whatever I cook that day... unfortunately they won't eat sourdough

bread of real pâté but I guess we can't have it all :-)

Would your son eat that kind of food?

Dedy

From: homesweethome <<I have a 15 year old son who has decided that he doesn't

like the " new " foods--including all that gorgeous raw milk, yogurt, and cream I

have access to. I also bought him organic peanut butter (no sugar.) He HAD

been filling up his empty spaces with bread, PB, and milk, sometimes as often as

between each meal and before bed. Now,

he is basically doing a hunger-strike, only eating the things he

likes and complaining about being hungry.

What can I use to fill him up? He's eating 3-4 bananas a day right

now. I can make smoothies from sweet milk, but not anything tart

like kefir or yogurt. Should I just make smoothies at every meal

and in-between as well? (Timely smoothie thread going on right now,

huh?) I dread buying cookies and granola bars again--all that sugar

and so little actual nutrition.

(Trust me, I'm the sort of abstract person that will die for a

cause, eat anything if I believe in the PRINCIPLE behind it. I

laugh at hunger-strikes . . . the appetite and growing bodies seem

to work in the parents' favor here. HOWEVER, my husband has a

tender heart (a good thing, since I LACK one) and hubby hasn't read

all the books that I have lately. Hubby has asked that I find some

sort of " middle-ground. " I'm keeping my husband (((smile))) and

CHOOSING to yield on this point. He is a reasonable man . . . I

just need some time to bring him up to speed on all the data AND I

have to feed my son in the meantime.)

Danelle in Kansas

[Guest guest]

Danelle,

I don't have any advice about your son, but for your husband. I had been going

on about NT for over a year with mine to no avail. I think him reading it was

way too daunting. When Maker's Diet came out, though, he was willing to read

that - his IBS may have helped, too. :-) It's sort of a mini version of NT.

Jordan (the author) is a Messianic Jew.

HTH. Steph (SL1)

" French Meadow Summer loaf is fantastic. "

I second that one!

[Guest guest]

--- homesweethome <homesweethome@...> wrote:

> I have a 15 year old son who has decided that he

> doesn't like

> the " new " foods--including all that gorgeous raw

> milk, yogurt, and

> cream I have access to.

Hi Danelle

I don't have kids, so I'm not really qualified to

comment, but can you transfer your raw milk to a

standard milk carton, and keep on reusing the carton?

Ditto on the yoghurt.

JO

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>

> anyway, the agreement would be: i would make sure the approved

stuff he

> DOES like is around to snack on, and he would agree to try

everything at

> least once, quarterly - quarterly cause tastes change, and at

least once

> cause that way he can continue to add to his list of stuff he

likes as you

> find more stuff.

A plan! Bravo--I needed some boundaries to give him--thanks!

>

> one way to try to switch the milk - if you both can agree on it:

you can

> buy your regular milk he is used to, and mix in raw milk in

increasingly

> larger amounts, to allow him to " work up to it " . if you did it

over the

> course of a month...

Great idea! Hubby wanted to just make both available, but that just

seemed to be prolonging the agony. Wean him off the store stuff--

that will work.

Thank you!

Danelle in Kansas

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--- In , " Steph " <flybabysteph@b...>

wrote:

When Maker's Diet came out, though, he was willing to read that -

his IBS may have helped, too. :-) It's sort of a mini version of

NT. Jordan (the author) is a Messianic Jew.

I've got it on hold at the library! Thanks!

> " French Meadow Summer loaf is fantastic. "

> I second that one!

>

Is French Meadow a bread? Sausage?

Danelle in Kansas

[Guest guest]

>

>A plan! Bravo--I needed some boundaries to give him--thanks!

> >

> > one way to try to switch the milk - if you both can agree on it:

>you can

> > buy your regular milk he is used to, and mix in raw milk in

>increasingly

> > larger amounts, to allow him to " work up to it " . if you did it

>over the

> > course of a month...

>

>Great idea! Hubby wanted to just make both available, but that just

>seemed to be prolonging the agony. Wean him off the store stuff--

>that will work.

you're welcome!

the problem with hubby's plan, btw, is that the stuff he wants is

addictive, so given the choice, son doesn't really have a choice because

the addiction will do the choosing for him. but by giving him things that

taste good which are still healthy, like cookies made from ground nuts

instead of flour and with a bit of applesauce and raisins instead of sugar,

ya know? you can still enjoy a food ( " cookies " ) without the damage...

another thing that's important in that weaning - it doesn't work to just

" trick " a kid - they will know the difference and it's dishonest anyway.

better to address why he doesn't like it - it tastes different/it's too

" thick " /whatever. and then agree that it's healthier and work your way

towards it consciously. it's fine if at first you're only adding one

tablespoon to a quart of his usual milk - and even if you go on that way

only increasing by one tablespoon each time - whatever works. but i do

think that it needs to be conscious on everyone's part so that he truly

understands *why* it matters. otherwise you'll never be able to let him out

of your sight!

let us know how it goes talking with him!

-katja

>Thank you!

>Danelle in Kansas

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>

can you transfer your raw milk to a

> standard milk carton, and keep on reusing the carton?

> Ditto on the yoghurt.

LOL--well, it's worth a try. However our raw milk DOES smell

different, and then you always have to shake it to mix the cream in

before you pour. Getting the milk jug clean would be another

issue. I'm leaning toward Katja's blending trick . . .

Thanks!

Danelle in Kansas, collecting ideas

[Guest guest]

>>

> the problem with hubby's plan, btw, is that the stuff he wants is

> addictive, so given the choice, son doesn't really have a choice

because

> the addiction will do the choosing for him.

Yep, I've done enough reading to understand this principle. I

probably just pulled all the " bad " stuff before I had " replacements "

and staring at empty shelves can be unnerving for a kid. We have

plenty of protein on hand, meat-cheese-nuts-eggs, but it wasn't the

familiar form of a cookie, and it wasn't coming close to that sweet

craving.

>

> another thing that's important in that weaning - it doesn't work

to just

> " trick " a kid - they will know the difference and it's dishonest

anyway.

> better to address why he doesn't like it - it tastes

different/it's too

> " thick " /whatever. and then agree that it's healthier and work your

way

> towards it consciously.

Now we're back to my dream . . . I want to teach my kids how to make

healthy choices, not choose FOR them and not deceive them. We'll

need to take a step back and actually have him read/study a

nutrition unit (being a homeschooler comes in handy sometimes!) NT

feels like hiking in the mountains--just when you get to the top of

a ridge, you realize that there is still a VALLEY between you and

the top of the mountain--LOL! All I need is time . . . which feels

in short supply with a 15 year old.

Danelle in Kansas, thinking things through

[Guest guest]

French Meadow is bread prepared with the same guidelines as NT. They have lots

of different types of loaves. The Summer loaf is very mild with a slight

sourdough flavor. You might can find it at your local health food type store.

My picky 6 year old will eat it.

Steph

" > " French Meadow Summer loaf is fantastic. "

> I second that one!

>

Is French Meadow a bread? Sausage?

Danelle in Kansas "