Re: homemade dishwasher soap

[Guest guest]

> How do you make your dishwashwer soap? I tried making some with

> half washing soda and half Borax, but the dishes didn't seem to come

> out clean.

I'm not Kim, but here's my recipe:

http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/view/49371

My current favorite essential oils to use are tea tree and peppermint.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

That is what I use, but I have very soft water with no chlorine and a brand

new dishwasher. My Mom has very hard water and has found that it will work

as long as she adds an equal amount of calgon water softner to the mix.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 09:34 AM 9/18/2004, you wrote:

>Kim,

>

>How do you make your dishwashwer soap? I tried making some with

>half washing soda and half Borax, but the dishes didn't seem to come

>out clean.

>

>Thanks,

>Emma

>

>

> > Greetings a,

> >

> > Many things are excluded from my diet. All junk and processed

>foods such

> > as store bought grain products. All grain fed ruminants, all

>factory

> > raised food such as chicken and eggs, pasteurized milk products of

>all

> > types. Our standing comment is: " If I don't know the animals name

>that it

> > came from, I won't eat it. " All our meat is home butcher so I

>know it was

> > done right.

> >

> > No chlorinated water, not even to shower in. No chemicals on my

>skin, such

> > as deodorant. No detergents such as shampoo, dish washing soap

>and

> > dishwasher soap allowed in the house, we make all our own.

> >

> > No chemically raised veggies, we raise all our own food or buy

>organic. I

> > personally love potatoes, especially just out of the garden. Wash

>them,

> > steam them and smother them in good Jersey cow butter with some

>fresh

> > chopped chives.

> >

> > Right now I am eating honeydew melon fresh off the vine. Tastes

>nothing

> > like the store bought stuff.

> >

> > I do eat potato chips and dip, the homemade kind. My good organic

> > potatoes, slice thin and fried in my good lard from my own pigs.

>Kefir

> > that has been drained for 24 hours with some sea salt and fresh

>chopped

> > dill mixed in. Wonderful snack foods for special occasions.

> >

> > Bright Blessings,

> > Kim

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

Do you have a recipe for washing-up LIQUID for doing dishes by hand?

TIA

Dedy

From: Lynn Siprelle <<I'm not Kim, but here's my recipe:

http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/view/49371

My current favorite essential oils to use are tea tree and peppermint.>>

[Guest guest]

> Do you have a recipe for washing-up LIQUID for doing dishes by hand?

That's next on my list of things to do, but in the meantime I'd just

use diluted Dr Bronner's.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

> Do you have a recipe for washing-up LIQUID for doing dishes by hand?

That's next on my list of things to do, but in the meantime I'd just

use diluted Dr Bronner's.

Lynn S.

------

Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Lynn, I'm going to try it. I am trying to cut

cornors as much as possible so I can afford to buy organic, pasture

raised etc.

What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for that

too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water with a

softener for the whole house.

Del

Lynn Siprelle wrote:

> > How do you make your dishwashwer soap? I tried making some with

> > half washing soda and half Borax, but the dishes didn't seem to

come

> > out clean.

>

> I'm not Kim, but here's my recipe:

>

> http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/view/49371

>

> My current favorite essential oils to use are tea tree and

peppermint.

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn... I've been using Ecover products for many years but feel that I

could perhaps go a step greener than that :-)

Dedy

From: Lynn Siprelle <<That's next on my list of things to do, but in the

meantime I'd just use diluted Dr Bronner's.>>

> Do you have a recipe for washing-up LIQUID for doing dishes by hand?>

[Guest guest]

> What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for that

> too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water with a

> softener for the whole house.

Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old detergent a

friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're pretty

work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them out.

I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though, for

that matter.

Lynn S.

------

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http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

I am not familier with Dr. B's but will check it out. Is it

something usually available at the HFS or will I have to order

online somewhere?

Del

Lynn Siprelle wrote:

> > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for

that

> > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water with

a

> > softener for the whole house.

>

> Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

detergent a

> friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

> couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

pretty

> work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them

out.

> I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though,

for

> that matter.

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

I am not Lynn but I have a liquid soap that is wonderful. I use 3 parts

coconut oil to 1 part goat tallow then decide how much I want and plug it

into a lye calculator. I don't think it matters what tallow you use as

long as it is moisturizing as the coconut is very drying. This soap cuts

grease real well. I tend to mix it as 1 part dish soap to 3 parts Castile

for shampoo. I hope this gives you some ideas.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 01:19 PM 9/18/2004, you wrote:

>Lynn,

>

>Do you have a recipe for washing-up LIQUID for doing dishes by hand?

>

>TIA

>

>Dedy

>

>

>From: Lynn Siprelle <<I'm not Kim, but here's my recipe:

>http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/view/49371

>My current favorite essential oils to use are tea tree and peppermint.>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the dishwasher soap recipe, Lynn. I am going to try that as

sometimes my recipe does not get the heavy cream off my glasses. [We have

our own cow]

I do use home made laundry soap, but I use 2 different recipes depending on

what I am washing. For heavily soiled clothes that are really sweaty,

[hubby is oil field, I farm] I grate a bar of Fels Naptha, put it in a pot

with 1 quart of water on minimum until it is liquid. Then I add I cup each

of borax, washing soda and 1 more quart of hot water. When I get that to a

liquid state, I add 2.5 gallons of water, simmer for an hour and keep

stirring to make sure it stays liquid. Cool and bottle. I use 1.5 cups of

soap per load and the soap must go into the water before the clothes. I

use a double rinse and add 1 cup of vinegar to the second rinse. This will

deal with the dirtiest clothes.

For normal to light soiled clothes, I grate 4 oz. of goat tallow soap

instead of Fels Naptha. Follow the above recipe except I just do a

standard double rinse, no vinegar required.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 08:54 PM 9/18/2004, you wrote:

> > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for that

> > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water with a

> > softener for the whole house.

>

>Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old detergent a

>friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

>couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're pretty

>work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them out.

>I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though, for

>that matter.

>

>Lynn S.

>

>------

>Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

>http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

>http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn. I like your website-a lot of good info!

Emma

--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> > How do you make your dishwashwer soap? I tried making some with

> > half washing soda and half Borax, but the dishes didn't seem to

come

> > out clean.

>

> I'm not Kim, but here's my recipe:

>

> http://www.thenewhomemaker.com/node/view/49371

>

> My current favorite essential oils to use are tea tree and

peppermint.

>

> Lynn S.

>

> ------

> Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Lynn. I like your website-a lot of good info!

Thanks! Been working on it for five years.

Lynn S.

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http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

> I am not familier with Dr. B's but will check it out. Is it

> something usually available at the HFS or will I have to order

> online somewhere?

It's Dr. Bronner's soap, and most HFS's carry it. The peppermint is

especially nice, as is the lavender.

Lynn S.

------

Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha soap

though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try this

also. Thanks,

Del

> > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for

that

> > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water

with a

> > > softener for the whole house.

> >

> >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

detergent a

> >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

> >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

pretty

> >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them

out.

> >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though,

for

> >that matter.

> >

> >Lynn S.

> >

> >------

> >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> >http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying it to

clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at Kroger in

Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

>understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha soap

>though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try this

>also. Thanks,

>

>Del

>

>

> > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for

>that

> > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water

>with a

> > > > softener for the whole house.

> > >

> > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

>detergent a

> > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

> > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

>pretty

> > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them

>out.

> > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though,

>for

> > >that matter.

> > >

> > >Lynn S.

> > >

> > >------

> > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think HFS stands for Health Food Store. I hear that many grocery

stores carry it, although I haven't looked really hard.

Kristi

Re: homemade dishwasher soap

I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying it to

clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at Kroger in

Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

>understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha soap

>though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try this

>also. Thanks,

>

>Del

>

>

> > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for

>that

> > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water

>with a

> > > > softener for the whole house.

> > >

> > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

>detergent a

> > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

> > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

>pretty

> > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them

>out.

> > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though,

>for

> > >that matter.

> > >

> > >Lynn S.

> > >

> > >------

> > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No, I don't think the health food stores would carry it, a regular grocer,

not walmart, probably does.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 04:44 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

>I think HFS stands for Health Food Store. I hear that many grocery

>stores carry it, although I haven't looked really hard.

>

>Kristi

>

> Re: homemade dishwasher soap

>

>I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying it to

>clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at Kroger in

>Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

>Bright Blessings,

>Kim

>

>At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> >Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

> >understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha soap

> >though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try this

> >also. Thanks,

> >

> >Del

> >

> >

> > > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe for

> >that

> > > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water

> >with a

> > > > > softener for the whole house.

> > > >

> > > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

> >detergent a

> > > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've got a

> > > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

> >pretty

> > > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check them

> >out.

> > > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too, though,

> >for

> > > >that matter.

> > > >

> > > >Lynn S.

> > > >

> > > >------

> > > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

HFS = health food store :-)

Kim & Garth wrote:

> I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying

it to

> clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at

Kroger in

> Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

> Bright Blessings,

> Kim

>

> At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> >Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

> >understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha

soap

> >though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try

this

> >also. Thanks,

> >

> >Del

> >

> >

> > > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a recipe

for

> >that

> > > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well water

> >with a

> > > > > softener for the whole house.

> > > >

> > > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

> >detergent a

> > > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer. I've

got a

> > > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

> >pretty

> > > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check

them

> >out.

> > > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too,

though,

> >for

> > > >that matter.

> > > >

> > > >Lynn S.

> > > >

> > > >------

> > > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I hate to keep this going but does it come in a bar like a bar of

soap.

Del

Kim & Garth wrote:

> No, I don't think the health food stores would carry it, a regular

grocer,

> not walmart, probably does.

> Bright Blessings,

> Kim

>

> At 04:44 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> >I think HFS stands for Health Food Store. I hear that many

grocery

> >stores carry it, although I haven't looked really hard.

> >

> >Kristi

> >

> > Re: homemade dishwasher soap

> >

> >I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying

it to

> >clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at

Kroger in

> >Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

> >Bright Blessings,

> >Kim

> >

> >At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> > >Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

> > >understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha

soap

> > >though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try

this

> > >also. Thanks,

> > >

> > >Del

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a

recipe for

> > >that

> > > > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well

water

> > >with a

> > > > > > softener for the whole house.

> > > > >

> > > > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

> > >detergent a

> > > > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer.

I've got a

> > > > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

> > >pretty

> > > > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check

them

> > >out.

> > > > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too,

though,

> > >for

> > > > >that matter.

> > > > >

> > > > >Lynn S.

> > > > >

> > > > >------

> > > > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > > > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > > > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com *

http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

What comes out like a bar of soap? My recipe for dish washing soap uses

KOH not NaOH, that is potassium hydroxide not sodium hydroxide and it makes

a liquid soap. Believe me if you add 3 gallons of water to 4 ounces of

grated bar soap with 8 ounces each of borax and washing soda, it is liquid.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

At 05:54 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

>I hate to keep this going but does it come in a bar like a bar of

>soap.

>

>Del

>

> Kim & Garth wrote:

> > No, I don't think the health food stores would carry it, a regular

>grocer,

> > not walmart, probably does.

> > Bright Blessings,

> > Kim

> >

> > At 04:44 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> > >I think HFS stands for Health Food Store. I hear that many

>grocery

> > >stores carry it, although I haven't looked really hard.

> > >

> > >Kristi

> > >

> > > Re: homemade dishwasher soap

> > >

> > >I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers buying

>it to

> > >clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at

>Kroger in

> > >Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

> > >Bright Blessings,

> > >Kim

> > >

> > >At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> > > >Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was very

> > > >understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels Naptha

>soap

> > > >though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will try

>this

> > > >also. Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >Del

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a

>recipe for

> > > >that

> > > > > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well

>water

> > > >with a

> > > > > > > softener for the whole house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular old

> > > >detergent a

> > > > > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer.

>I've got a

> > > > > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far they're

> > > >pretty

> > > > > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really check

>them

> > > >out.

> > > > > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too,

>though,

> > > >for

> > > > > >that matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Lynn S.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >------

> > > > > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > > > > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > > > > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com *

>http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

LOL! I am talking about Fels Naptha soap. Does that come in a bar? I

Have my answer though. In the recipe " grate a bar of Fels Naptha

soap "

Thanks,

Del

Kim & Garth wrote:

> What comes out like a bar of soap? My recipe for dish washing

soap uses

> KOH not NaOH, that is potassium hydroxide not sodium hydroxide and

it makes

> a liquid soap. Believe me if you add 3 gallons of water to 4

ounces of

> grated bar soap with 8 ounces each of borax and washing soda, it

is liquid.

> Bright Blessings,

> Kim

>

> At 05:54 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> >I hate to keep this going but does it come in a bar like a bar of

> >soap.

> >

> >Del

> >

> > Kim & Garth wrote:

> > > No, I don't think the health food stores would carry it, a

regular

> >grocer,

> > > not walmart, probably does.

> > > Bright Blessings,

> > > Kim

> > >

> > > At 04:44 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> > > >I think HFS stands for Health Food Store. I hear that many

> >grocery

> > > >stores carry it, although I haven't looked really hard.

> > > >

> > > >Kristi

> > > >

> > > > Re: homemade dishwasher soap

> > > >

> > > >I am not sure what HFS is, but my Mom in Canada remembers

buying

> >it to

> > > >clean my Dad's uniforms long before I was born. I buy it at

> >Kroger in

> > > >Texas, so it is a pretty universal product.

> > > >Bright Blessings,

> > > >Kim

> > > >

> > > >At 02:28 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

> > > > >Thanks Kim for the clothes washing recipe. Your recipe was

very

> > > > >understandablely written. I have never neard of the Fels

Naptha

> >soap

> > > > >though, I hope it is something I can buy at my HFS. I will

try

> >this

> > > > >also. Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >Del

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > What do you use for washing clothes? Do you have a

> >recipe for

> > > > >that

> > > > > > > > too? I am moving into a house next week that has well

> >water

> > > > >with a

> > > > > > > > softener for the whole house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Right now I'm working through a huge stash of regular

old

> > > > >detergent a

> > > > > > >friend gave me when she got a new front-loading washer.

> >I've got a

> > > > > > >couple of different homemade soap recipes but so far

they're

> > > > >pretty

> > > > > > >work intensive so I'm not sure if I'm going to really

check

> >them

> > > > >out.

> > > > > > >I've gotten good results from Dr B's in the washer, too,

> >though,

> > > > >for

> > > > > > >that matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Lynn S.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >------

> > > > > > >Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky

> > > > > > >http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com

> > > > > > >http://www.democracyfororegon.com *

> >http://www.wisforwomen.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >