How many of you eat a low carb diet?

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Ada,

I do a protein metabolic type famine/feast combo. Before 5PM I eat as

hungry, once or twice, protein type allowed eggs, meat, fish, avocado,

olives, celery with nut butter. Used to run out the door on workdays with

just coconut milk. Wiley an earlier metabolic typer in Biobalance says

animal protein 3 X day, no dairy substitute. Few ounces animal protein in AM

sustains me better than coconut milk. Wiley's total daily animal protein for

weight loss is ounces equal to your ideal weight divided by 15. Do you eat

the protein type vegetables cauliflower, asparagus, spinach, mushrooms and

artichokes?

Wanita

> Thanks Heidi,

>

> I've been trying to get to the Warrior Diet but haven't made it yet. I

drink

> two cups of decaf with cream in the morning, and am taking my VCO and CLO

> around 11:00, if I'm famished I will eat some protein. I wanted to take

the

> VCO midday to get the energy boost that I need due to my hypothyroid. As

you

> can see this is not exactly low calorie.

>

> I can't handle fruits much at all, except an occasional 1/2 apple or so.

I'm

> very reactive to berries especially blueberries I guess I could have a

> salad, or some other vegetable, but think it would only wet my appetite

for

> more food.

>

> I'm not sure how to get over this hump, and any suggestions would be

greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Ada

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At 11:26 AM 9/21/04 -0700, you wrote:

>Don't worry

>if you can't exercise MUCH ... when I started out my

>limit was say, squatting 4 inches or lifting a weight a few times.

>Weight lifting is easier than aerobics though, because you

>don't have to do it for very LONG to get results. Don't

>get intimidated by folks like Chis who have been at it

>for awhile.

Yeah, I graduated from elementary weight school only yesterday - moved all

the way up to 20 and 25-lb weights. I believe I called the trainer

" mean " when I caught her sneaking them into the workout. :-D

MFJ

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still be found in the most amazing places.

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For fitness help i can't recommend the Body for Life protocol enough. It is

all about working within your limits and pushing in ways that are intense to

*you.* It is a very doable exercise program that i credit for getting me off

my bum and turning exercise into a habit. Just ignore his diet advice! His

journal is also great for helping you turn around bad lifestyle habits. You

can do it! Trust me, it's enjoyable and you will come to look forward to it.

I currently have a bad ankle and have been challenged by that but found ways

to exercise on the bike and hopefully this winter by swimming.

Elaine

> I don't exercise as much as I should, so pushing my limits wouldn't take

> very long at all I have a bad knee which hinders most aerobic types of

> exercise. I've been trying to get the nerve to try weight lifting with the

> small dumbbells. I have a book called Bottom's Up! that I think would suit

> at least for starters.

>

> I know it looks like laziness to those who don't have hypothyroid disease,

> but getting anything done, much less " pushing your limits " exercise, is a

> real project.

>

> Having said that, I know that you are right so I guess I'd better get on

> with it. It just might be a lot slower than the average person.

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--- shawnalendzion <services@...> wrote:

> I see quite a bit of this even on NT-style groups

> these days. I am

> sure people have their own unique reasons for why

> they do this, and I

> am curious as to how people have benefitted from a

> low carb diet.

>

HI a

I've come to this a bit late, but I'll still reply

before reading all the other replies.

I have been on a low carb diet for 4.5 years. I lost

all my weight (dropped to a size 4 from a size 12) on

a low carb diet. However, nutrition became my hobby,

and in my readings, I came across NT and have been

following some of the guidelines for a year now. LC

addressed most of my health issues before finding NT,

so I didn't experience the major turnaround that

others did (I'd already had that on LC), however, it

has helped me identify and address health issues that

weren't resolved by LC alone.

Jo

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--- shawnalendzion <services@...> wrote:

> I see quite a bit of this even on NT-style groups

> these days. I am

> sure people have their own unique reasons for why

> they do this, and I

> am curious as to how people have benefitted from a

> low carb diet.

>

HI a

I've come to this a bit late, but I'll still reply

before reading all the other replies.

I have been on a low carb diet for 4.5 years. I lost

all my weight (dropped to a size 4 from a size 12) on

a low carb diet. However, nutrition became my hobby,

and in my readings, I came across NT and have been

following some of the guidelines for a year now. LC

addressed most of my health issues before finding NT,

so I didn't experience the major turnaround that

others did (I'd already had that on LC), however, it

has helped me identify and address health issues that

weren't resolved by LC alone.

Jo

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Ada-

>You are right. I have begged for help from my doctor, but she is

>intractable.

Welcome to the wonderful world of not getting adequately treated

practically no matter what you do. It's very, very frustrating.

>My TSH is in the normal range and she's married to L-thyroxine.

I sympathize, believe me.

>I guess I

>should be grateful that they aren't loading me up on a bunch more

>medications since I already take enough (for BP and peri-osteoporosis)

I don't know anything about peri-osteoporosis specifically, but if you eat

right and fix your digestion and absorption, you shouldn't need any

medications to remineralize your bones, and some osteoporosis medications

(e.g. Fosamax) actually make things a lot worse. I'd also strongly

recommend exploring dietary alternatives to blood pressure

medications. Getting off these meds, if you're able to do it safely (and

please be sure to take due care!) could help a lot with your metabolism.

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I don't know anything about peri-osteoporosis specifically, but if you eat

This simply means that I am in the earliest stages.

right and fix your digestion and absorption, you shouldn't need any

medications to remineralize your bones, and some osteoporosis medications

(e.g. Fosamax) actually make things a lot worse.

I have added bone broth, raw milk, CLO and kefir to my diet. I also

occasionally take calcium supplements, but would really prefer to do this

with healthy foods if possible.

I'd also strongly

recommend exploring dietary alternatives to blood pressure

medications.

Other than simply feeling better this is one of the major reasons I am low

carbing to lose weight.

Getting off these meds, if you're able to do it safely (and

please be sure to take due care!) could help a lot with your metabolism.

Yes, I know, it all seems to be a vicious circle doesn't it?

Ada

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ya know, ada - this is going to be a huge part of your problem. you've

really got to be 100% faithful to your ratio.

I agree. I did overstate the situation with the spaghetti fable, but I just

might be letting up often enough to cause my problem. I really do have to be

more cognizant of what I'm doing. Thank you.

Ada

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I was just about to ask you how you were treating your hypothyroidism.

You realize the answer is immediately find a new doctor, right?

I belong to Kaiser which is pretty darn expensive for my limited budget. I

would like to go to a doctor who specializes in this kind of thing, but need

to put the money together first.

I'm

assuming at this point that you realized you're hypothyroid based on

symptoms, then, since your test results are " normal " ? (*insert sick

grin while pronouncing the word " normal " )*

No, I've been on thyroid medication off and on for about 30 years.

Ada

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Christie,

Yes, I think you are right about lifting weights. I'm not a big believer in

aerobic exercise. I used to go to classes and sweated by buns off and felt

better, but didn't lose any weight. I trained for 4 months with the Leukemia

Society to bike ride around 100 miles (Lake Tahoe). I did it too. It was

great fun and I felt better, but I only lost 11 pounds for a very intense

commitment. Granted I replaced some of the fat with muscle, but what woman

wants big calves and thighs? These are the only body parts I have that are

on the trim side and was not happy to seem the increase. Having said all

this, I had a great time and it was a wonderful experience.

Do think it's okay to start with the little bitty stuff before I get to the

gym and use the professional equipment? Or is that a waste of time?

Ada

[Guest guest]

For fitness help i can't recommend the Body for Life protocol enough. It is

all about working within your limits and pushing in ways that are intense to

*you.* It is a very doable exercise program that i credit for getting me off

my bum and turning exercise into a habit. Just ignore his diet advice! His

Are you talking about the book ?

Ada

[Guest guest]

Wanita,

Your technique sounds very similar to what I have been trying to do. The

foods are almost identical, except I avoid the goitrogens like cauliflower,

broccoli and cabbage because of my thyroid.

Ada

I do a protein metabolic type famine/feast combo. Before 5PM I eat as

hungry, once or twice, protein type allowed eggs, meat, fish, avocado,

olives, celery with nut butter. Used to run out the door on workdays with

just coconut milk. Wiley an earlier metabolic typer in Biobalance says

animal protein 3 X day, no dairy substitute. Few ounces animal protein in AM

sustains me better than coconut milk. Wiley's total daily animal protein for

weight loss is ounces equal to your ideal weight divided by 15. Do you eat

the protein type vegetables cauliflower, asparagus, spinach, mushrooms and

artichokes?

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>> Do think it's okay to start with the little bitty stuff before I get to

the

gym and use the professional equipment? Or is that a waste of time? <<

The little bitty stuff is a waste of time. This is my favorite weight

lifting website - it has tons and tons of great stuff:

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

She has suggested programs for beginners, for people who don't belong to a

gym, for overweight women, and even for people who don't own ANY weights at

all. She's really wonderful. I wrote her once for advice and she was just

fantastic. I don't fully agree with her diet advice but it's head and

shoulders above the usual " low fat " type advice you normally see. And her

site is also hysterically funny.

GOOD LUCK!

Christie

[Guest guest]

Yes, he has a book and a journal. I found the journal helpful getting me

into the program. I now do a radically different weight training program,

but like i say, his book got me going bc it was very doable. Re: the gym. I

personally like the gym. I need to get away from my kids and the housework

and be in a place where i'm focused on exercising. Plus i don't have room at

home for weights and a bench. I'm also using weights now quite a bit heavier

than i could use at home, although that wasn't the case when i began. When

the weather is nice (i live in the NW) i avoid the gym and just ride my bike

pulling my kids in the trailer up and down the hills. That is a thousand

times more enjoyable than being in the gym, but the gym is nice in its own

way. Weight training is great but i can't imagine not doing some cardio too.

Good interval workouts make you fitter, which is the ultimate goal, no?

Elaine

> Are you talking about the book ?

[Guest guest]

Ada,

Understand your concern with your thyroid and cauliflower. Broccoli and

cabbage are carb and mixed type vegetables. Don't touch them and could

always live without them, even cabbage now in a boiled dinner. Have never

seen goitrogens mentioned by any metabolic typing researchers interestingly.

Included cauliflower because like the others it deacidifies protein types.

Wonder if there's some difference in goitrogen quantity in cauliflower vs.

other in family if there's a difference in acid and alkaline creation in

different metabolic types?

Wanita

> Wanita,

>

> Your technique sounds very similar to what I have been trying to do. The

> foods are almost identical, except I avoid the goitrogens like

cauliflower,

> broccoli and cabbage because of my thyroid.

>

> Ada

>

> I do a protein metabolic type famine/feast combo. Before 5PM I eat as

> hungry, once or twice, protein type allowed eggs, meat, fish, avocado,

> olives, celery with nut butter. Used to run out the door on workdays with

> just coconut milk. Wiley an earlier metabolic typer in Biobalance says

> animal protein 3 X day, no dairy substitute. Few ounces animal protein in

AM

> sustains me better than coconut milk. Wiley's total daily animal protein

for

> weight loss is ounces equal to your ideal weight divided by 15. Do you eat

> the protein type vegetables cauliflower, asparagus, spinach, mushrooms and

> artichokes?

>

> Wanita

[Guest guest]

Earlier I asked if the fermentation process neutralized goitrogenic compounds in

vegetables. Anyone have any insight on this? Thanks - Carol

Wanita Sears <wanitawa@...> wrote:Ada,

Understand your concern with your thyroid and cauliflower. Broccoli and

cabbage are carb and mixed type vegetables. Don't touch them and could

always live without them, even cabbage now in a boiled dinner. Have never

seen goitrogens mentioned by any metabolic typing researchers interestingly.

Included cauliflower because like the others it deacidifies protein types.

Wonder if there's some difference in goitrogen quantity in cauliflower vs.

other in family if there's a difference in acid and alkaline creation in

different metabolic types?

Wanita

> Wanita,

>

> Your technique sounds very similar to what I have been trying to do. The

> foods are almost identical, except I avoid the goitrogens like

cauliflower,

> broccoli and cabbage because of my thyroid.

>

> Ada

>

> I do a protein metabolic type famine/feast combo. Before 5PM I eat as

> hungry, once or twice, protein type allowed eggs, meat, fish, avocado,

> olives, celery with nut butter. Used to run out the door on workdays with

> just coconut milk. Wiley an earlier metabolic typer in Biobalance says

> animal protein 3 X day, no dairy substitute. Few ounces animal protein in

AM

> sustains me better than coconut milk. Wiley's total daily animal protein

for

> weight loss is ounces equal to your ideal weight divided by 15. Do you eat

> the protein type vegetables cauliflower, asparagus, spinach, mushrooms and

> artichokes?

>

> Wanita

[Guest guest]

Sorry I have taken so long to respond, but we were on vacation last week.

I have yet to find a good whole meal baking book. Laurels Kitchen and

Laurels bread book are suppose to be good, but that is totally a matter of

opinion and I don't agree. They make bread making a real hassle, not what

I want.

I bought my mill from Lehmans and it uses the same base for my grain mill,

rollers, meat grinder and slicer/shreddar. I have both a powered base and

a hand crank, which I find is real handy with all the attachments. We roll

oats, wheat, buckwheat and barley for morning cereal. It does not look the

same as store bought, and I am not too sure about using home rolled oats in

cookies.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

>Hi Kim. I don't do well on a low-carb diet either, and coincidentally just

>purchased a grain mill. Do you have any favorite books that you can

>recommend?

>

>What type of roller do you use for your oats. I really don't know much about

>them, but would like to know the freshness of my oatmeal.

>

>Thanks.

>

>~~ Jocelyne

>

>

>

>

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Kim wrote:

>Sorry I have taken so long to respond, but we

>were on vacation last week.

>

>I have yet to find a good whole meal baking book.

>Laurels Kitchen and Laurels bread book are suppose

>to be good, but that is totally a matter of opinion

>and I don't agree. They make bread making a real

>hassle, not what I want.

>

>I bought my mill from Lehmans and it uses the same

>base for my grain mill, > rollers, meat grinder and

>slicer/shreddar. I have both a powered base and

>a hand crank, which I find is real handy with all

>the attachments. We roll > oats, wheat, buckwheat

>and barley for morning cereal. It does not look the

>same as store bought, and I am not too sure about

>using home rolled oats in cookies.

Thanks for the info Kim. I am going to try some of the NT recipes, and see

how that works out.

~~ Jocelyne