Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 > > > > The current version of Discover magazine has a great article > about the " Inuit paradox " , which gets into a lot of the stuff > we've discussed here, including Steffanson's view of the > Inuit diet, why the Inuit didn't get scurvy, Loren Cordain's > views on diet, how the Inuit diet differs from Atkins, different > kinds of fat, etc. While some of the details aren't all there, > it's amazing stuff for a mainstream magazine! > Thanks for posting this, Heidi! I joined the site as a member and purchased the article for $1. It's unfortunate that, amid the great information, they talk about saturated fat being a villain. I keep reading how wild or pastured meat is higher in omega 3s and lower in saturated fat, and then researchers zero in on the omega 3s and a whole industry has been build around supplements to supply us with the missing 3s and to reduce or, more often, avoid the saturated fat. Just how much saturated fat is natural/optimal? This is where things get confusing for me. Price's findings that using high vitamin butter oil and high vitamin cod liver oil together restored many people's health, I can see the value of different fatty acids working together, but how much saturated fat is in that butter oil? And what about the CLA? All of these things work together, clearly. I hope that the WAPF will build the lab that Price envisioned to analyze foods - continue where Price left off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 >It's unfortunate that, amid the great information, they talk about >saturated fat being a villain. I keep reading how wild or pastured >meat is higher in omega 3s and lower in saturated fat, and then >researchers zero in on the omega 3s and a whole industry has been >build around supplements to supply us with the missing 3s and to >reduce or, more often, avoid the saturated fat. Just how much >saturated fat is natural/optimal? This is where things get confusing >for me. Price's findings that using high vitamin butter oil and high >vitamin cod liver oil together restored many people's health, I can >see the value of different fatty acids working together, but how much >saturated fat is in that butter oil? And what about the CLA? All of >these things work together, clearly. I hope that the WAPF will build >the lab that Price envisioned to analyze foods - continue where Price >left off. > > I noticed that too ... I don't know how it all fits together, though clearly the fact a fat is " saturated " isn't the villian (coconut oil is saturated and healthy, for a good example). It IS clear (to me anyway) that grain-fed beef are just plain unhealthy ... the cow isn't healthy, so sure, the fat isn't healthy! The fat on a grass fed cow is different ... yes, it's less saturated, but it also is different in other ways that I don't think have been studied. For instance, and overly fat person produces a lot of inflammatory compounds in the fat ... I would think an overly fat cow would do the same thing (and grain fed beef are overly fat on purpose). Those inflammatory compounds are what seem to cause heart disease (and is why anti-inflammatories like Omega 3's and olive oil compounds probably help prevent heart disease). But the researchers who do the studies just see " people who eat beef a lot get more problems than people who eat salmon " and assume it's the fact beef fat is saturated. There isn't a big group of humans eating grass fed beef for years and years to study, though heart disease was a lot rarer in the days before grain fed beef became popular. But a fat whale is SUPPOSED to be fat, so the fat is healthy. However, whales are in cold water, so the fat can't be as saturated or the whale would be a very stiff whale. Of course, overly fat humans are usually that way because they eat a lot of grain too, so maybe just eating food that isn't the food you are adapted for is the problem. Anyway, given that the whole question still hasn't been answered, I think they can be forgiven for assuming the status quo assumption ... at least they got it right that " wild fat " is ok. Also that trans fats are a BIG villian and an American that " eats a lot of fat " is likely getting many of them from trans fats. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 - > > Of course, overly fat humans are usually that way because they > eat a lot of grain too, so maybe just eating food that isn't > the food you are adapted for is the problem. > Yes. Imagine the drugs we'd have to take in order to force ourselves to digest grass. That's the analogy I use when I explain why grain feeding is so detrimental to cows - how it takes drugs and other nasty things to get them to process something that they aren't designed to digest. But grain feeding is detrimental to humans, too, of course. A good way to fatten us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 " That's the analogy I use when I explain why grain feeding is so detrimental to cows - how it takes drugs and other nasty things to get them to process something that they aren't designed to digest. Would you please explain what exactly you are talking about in the above statement. What drugs and other nasty things are you referring to... I'm lost. charlene -- Re: DISCOVER goes NT! - > > Of course, overly fat humans are usually that way because they > eat a lot of grain too, so maybe just eating food that isn't > the food you are adapted for is the problem. > Yes. Imagine the drugs we'd have to take in order to force ourselves to digest grass. That's the analogy I use when I explain why grain feeding is so detrimental to cows - how it takes drugs and other nasty things to get them to process something that they aren't designed to digest. But grain feeding is detrimental to humans, too, of course. A good way to fatten us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 > " That's the analogy I use when I explain why grain > feeding is so detrimental to cows - how it takes drugs and other nasty > things to get them to process something that they aren't designed to digest. > > > Would you please explain what exactly you are talking about in the above statement. What drugs and other nasty things are you referring to... I'm lost. > charlene Hi Charlene, There is a very good article about this called Power Steer http://www.strauscom.com/placements/Newyorktimesbeef.html I hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Message: 55026 From: charlene Received: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: DISCOVER goes NT! [Charlene quotes Adler] " That's the analogy I use when I explain why grain feeding is so detrimental to cows - how it takes drugs and other nasty things to get them to process something that they aren't designed to digest. [Charlene] Would you please explain what exactly you are talking about in the above statement. What drugs and other nasty things are you referring to... I'm lost. [Darrell] Well, grain is a 'hot' food due to its nitrogen content and cows' stomachs aren't well equipped to deal with such dense nutrition. The Mega feedlots only feed their cattle these 'hot' grain mixes at every feeding which can cause the cow to literally choke to death on backed up foamy mucus. To counteract the problem, chemicals that act sort of like an antacid are added to the grain mix. The Mega feedlots are a worst case scenario. Exclusively pasture fed cattle have no such problems. I may have oversimplified some things, but thats the gist of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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