Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

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It's telling me "file not found on remote host", when it goes to download. What is this?

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0IpUQcFa1sXofTk10CUnPSioiWvIC0iwIDr3Yv1LQzCyIQOz_I-2B3eyQeTE1fLHeC1b8Hz-8rK7IixTWluEL3f3HVA8mg/Optimal%20treatment.zip

Is this what you are referring to?

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

It's telling me "file not found on remote host", when it goes to download. What is this?

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0IpUQcFa1sXofTk10CUnPSioiWvIC0iwIDr3Yv1LQzCyIQOz_I-2B3eyQeTE1fLHeC1b8Hz-8rK7IixTWluEL3f3HVA8mg/Optimal%20treatment.zip

Is this what you are referring to?

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

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I just read this, and I'd bet that this is the one. Excellent honest article, straight forward in saying "There's so much that we just don't know".

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

http://www.eje.org/eje/149/eje1490091.htm

Or this may be the one...

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

I just read this, and I'd bet that this is the one. Excellent honest article, straight forward in saying "There's so much that we just don't know".

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

http://www.eje.org/eje/149/eje1490091.htm

Or this may be the one...

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

Yep, I can't open it either.

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

No, that is a zipped file of Dr. Dommisse's paper on thyroid treatment. Danny (Meep) put that on our site, and I have never been able to open it. . . .

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This is just one more thing that makes me believe that size has nothing to do with thyroid dosage. This is one reason why I am very wary about listening to people saying that just about everyone could take dose of 4 to 5 grains, nor do I believe that some people aren't doing fine on a dose of 60 to 90 mgs Armour. Look at the size of a cat, compared to a human, and then look at how some people say that they've felt wonderful on anywhere from 1 on up to 8 grains of Armour. All our general body chemistries are very complicated and unique, so I'm very dubious about a "set" approach for all individuals. This "set" approach is just as bad as doctors putting all their patients on Synthroid and saying we're all the same. That's a crazy thing for a vet to say, since even before I knew much of anything about hypo, it was well known by almost anyone who knows cats that cats commonly have thyroid problems. Charlie, my daughters Tom cat (who has long since passed on), I now know was hyperthyroid. His eyes stood way out, he got very skinny, he ate to a ridiculous point, to the point of eating around the clock, and acted so crazy during his last days on the earth.

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BTW I fell this subject is all too true! I have now split my dosages into three times a day and every split I feel that much better. I also did another increase... Good news! My CAT went to the vet the other day for testing. Of course the veterinarians aren;t ANY better than our doctors so they did the wrong tests, even though I asked for Free T3 & T4 all I got was a Total T4. But at 2 grains of Armour a day, he is still low by even that test! The vet about dropped her jaw on the floor. She had told me when I was there that in 8 years of practice she had never had a hypothyroid cat. I asked her if she had ever tested any of the overweight kitties for it, and of course she had not. Maybe my kitty's problems will open the door for at least some other sick kitties to get proper treatment. I am sure many of the diabetic cats in the world got that way due to untreated/undiagnosed hypothyroidism. Every vet I have had him to just tells me.. cats don;t GET hypothyroidism. He is proving them wrong.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

This is just one more thing that makes me believe that size has nothing to do with thyroid dosage. This is one reason why I am very wary about listening to people saying that just about everyone could take dose of 4 to 5 grains, nor do I believe that some people aren't doing fine on a dose of 60 to 90 mgs Armour. Look at the size of a cat, compared to a human, and then look at how some people say that they've felt wonderful on anywhere from 1 on up to 8 grains of Armour. All our general body chemistries are very complicated and unique, so I'm very dubious about a "set" approach for all individuals. This "set" approach is just as bad as doctors putting all their patients on Synthroid and saying we're all the same. That's a crazy thing for a vet to say, since even before I knew much of anything about hypo, it was well known by almost anyone who knows cats that cats commonly have thyroid problems. Charlie, my daughters Tom cat (who has long since passed on), I now know was hyperthyroid. His eyes stood way out, he got very skinny, he ate to a ridiculous point, to the point of eating around the clock, and acted so crazy during his last days on the earth.

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

BTW I fell this subject is all too true! I have now split my dosages into three times a day and every split I feel that much better. I also did another increase... Good news! My CAT went to the vet the other day for testing. Of course the veterinarians aren;t ANY better than our doctors so they did the wrong tests, even though I asked for Free T3 & T4 all I got was a Total T4. But at 2 grains of Armour a day, he is still low by even that test! The vet about dropped her jaw on the floor. She had told me when I was there that in 8 years of practice she had never had a hypothyroid cat. I asked her if she had ever tested any of the overweight kitties for it, and of course she had not. Maybe my kitty's problems will open the door for at least some other sick kitties to get proper treatment. I am sure many of the diabetic cats in the world got that way due to untreated/undiagnosed hypothyroidism. Every vet I have had him to just tells me.. cats don;t GET hypothyroidism. He is proving them wrong.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

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This is sort of unrelated, but... After my debacle with Levoxyl,

my doctor has been loathe to increase my dosage, especially since he

was going on vacation for two weeks. My TSH at four weeks was

3.5 or so, and my Free T4 was at the bottom of the range, at .9

My Total T3 (I wanted a Free count, but someone screwed up) was

somewhere in the middle.

I would like to call late next week and have my dosage increased

nominally, as I am still somewhat symptomatic. What small amount

should I ask for? I am currently on 30 mgs.

Thanks--

Courtenay.

Body weight is just one factor. Individual absorption

rates vary greatly. There are large folks who need small doses and

small people who need large doses. I know one small lady locally who

was taking 360 mg of Armour. Her hypothyroidism had been caused by

aluminum poisoning. After chelation therapy, she was able to reduce

her Armour to 270 mg.

Courtenay

wrote:

Is full replacement done according to body

weight?

Best--

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

This is sort of unrelated, but... After my debacle with Levoxyl,

my doctor has been loathe to increase my dosage, especially since he

was going on vacation for two weeks. My TSH at four weeks was

3.5 or so, and my Free T4 was at the bottom of the range, at .9

My Total T3 (I wanted a Free count, but someone screwed up) was

somewhere in the middle.

I would like to call late next week and have my dosage increased

nominally, as I am still somewhat symptomatic. What small amount

should I ask for? I am currently on 30 mgs.

Thanks--

Courtenay.

Body weight is just one factor. Individual absorption

rates vary greatly. There are large folks who need small doses and

small people who need large doses. I know one small lady locally who

was taking 360 mg of Armour. Her hypothyroidism had been caused by

aluminum poisoning. After chelation therapy, she was able to reduce

her Armour to 270 mg.

Courtenay

wrote:

Is full replacement done according to body

weight?

Best--

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

I wonder if Armour could be compounded to be timed

released?

Debbie

--- lkwetter wrote:

> And, it's not as convenient, but I've found that,

> even though I've

> been feeling BETTER on the Armour, I still can't

> tolerate taking

> over 30 mgs at a time of it.

> _______________

>

> Maybe this will get better with time. It did for me.

> I could only

> tolerate a tiny amount every two hours and I did

> this for probably 4

> months. Then, I worked up to every 3 hours and

> finally I am on once

> every 8 hours and this seems to be ok.

>

> Tish

>

>

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>>I wonder if Armour could be compounded to be timedreleased?<<

Oh how I wish they would do that! I have said it a hundred times "I need a thyroid pump" just like a diabetic Insulin pump but for thyroid!"

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

It's a great idea, except I had a dance student who had a

diabetic device like that, and it clicked and whirred all the way

through dance class. She found it to be a nuisance physically if

she was doing any extreme activity.

Best--

Courtenay.

you know what would be really great?

a thyroid pump.

my former roommate is a diabetic that has been on a

pump for about a year. it's basically an electronic

pancrease, putting out small increments of insulin

into her system throughout the day and when she eats,

she gives herself a booster dose.

think how nice it would be to have an electronic

thyroid, gently releasing appropriate thyroid hormones

throughout the day into your system!

perhaps one day, researchers will become interested

enough in hypothyroid to work on something like this.

rachel.

--- Debbie W wrote:

> I wonder if Armour could be compounded to be

timed

> released?

[Guest guest]

Someone should come up with a skin patch made of Armour! I bet they'd make millions ... we wouldn't have to worry about swallowing versus sublingual (we would absorb all the calcitonin and parathyroid and all the other goodies) and we'd get a continuous amount of thyroid hormone, like the healthy thyroid provides. Say, who would like to suggest this to Forrest?????

Oink.

-----Original Message-----From: Jan Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:00 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

In general, compounded thyroid meds do not have a good track record. The compound is only as good as the compounder.

> And, it's not as convenient, but I've found that,> even though I've > been feeling BETTER on the Armour, I still can't> tolerate taking > over 30 mgs at a time of it. > _______________>

[Guest guest]

Someone should come up with a skin patch made of Armour! I bet they'd make millions ... we wouldn't have to worry about swallowing versus sublingual (we would absorb all the calcitonin and parathyroid and all the other goodies) and we'd get a continuous amount of thyroid hormone, like the healthy thyroid provides. Say, who would like to suggest this to Forrest?????

Oink.

-----Original Message-----From: Jan Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:00 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

In general, compounded thyroid meds do not have a good track record. The compound is only as good as the compounder.

> And, it's not as convenient, but I've found that,> even though I've > been feeling BETTER on the Armour, I still can't> tolerate taking > over 30 mgs at a time of it. > _______________>

[Guest guest]

Just try to go slow, Courtenay and have patience. If you try 30mg more and it seems too much, try 15mg more. Better yet, maybe 15mg more now, 15mg more in November? Best of luck to you!

-----Original Message-----From: Courtenay Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:25 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Suppressed tsh

I am pretty certain that my endo will go as high as fifteen before my next appointment in November, maybe even 30.. Up until now, I have been seeing him every four weeks, as my symptoms were so intolerable. During the worst of it, I had a standing free phone appointment once a week. As a safety net, he said that I can always, always, schedule an earlier appointment. Thanks for the advice.

What is still incredible to me is that at 2.5 TSH, when I was on Levoxyl, I felt as though I was going to die. And at 3.5 TSH on Armour, I am fatigued, but if I pace myself, I can do a variety of things at home. Even when I was in a "perfect" range on Levoxyl, my family was having to do practically everything for me, I was that sick.

Thanks for the advice; it's much appreciated.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Just try to go slow, Courtenay and have patience. If you try 30mg more and it seems too much, try 15mg more. Better yet, maybe 15mg more now, 15mg more in November? Best of luck to you!

-----Original Message-----From: Courtenay Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:25 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Suppressed tsh

I am pretty certain that my endo will go as high as fifteen before my next appointment in November, maybe even 30.. Up until now, I have been seeing him every four weeks, as my symptoms were so intolerable. During the worst of it, I had a standing free phone appointment once a week. As a safety net, he said that I can always, always, schedule an earlier appointment. Thanks for the advice.

What is still incredible to me is that at 2.5 TSH, when I was on Levoxyl, I felt as though I was going to die. And at 3.5 TSH on Armour, I am fatigued, but if I pace myself, I can do a variety of things at home. Even when I was in a "perfect" range on Levoxyl, my family was having to do practically everything for me, I was that sick.

Thanks for the advice; it's much appreciated.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Just try to go slow, Courtenay and have patience. If you try 30mg more and it seems too much, try 15mg more. Better yet, maybe 15mg more now, 15mg more in November? Best of luck to you!

-----Original Message-----From: Courtenay Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:25 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Suppressed tsh

I am pretty certain that my endo will go as high as fifteen before my next appointment in November, maybe even 30.. Up until now, I have been seeing him every four weeks, as my symptoms were so intolerable. During the worst of it, I had a standing free phone appointment once a week. As a safety net, he said that I can always, always, schedule an earlier appointment. Thanks for the advice.

What is still incredible to me is that at 2.5 TSH, when I was on Levoxyl, I felt as though I was going to die. And at 3.5 TSH on Armour, I am fatigued, but if I pace myself, I can do a variety of things at home. Even when I was in a "perfect" range on Levoxyl, my family was having to do practically everything for me, I was that sick.

Thanks for the advice; it's much appreciated.

Courtenay.

[Guest guest]

Well, that would be neat if a good natural thyroid med could be geared to

act like our original thyroids did. That would be a miracle, as far as I'm

concerned. There is a slow release T3, isn't there? Yet, it would have to

be made to release T4 at certain intervals also, as well as the T3. Here's

my idea---It could be one like one of those dosage forms of another drug

that is inserted under the skin, and set up to release tiny amts at a time

into the blood stream. Hey, why can't that be done now by science, come to

think of it?

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> I wonder if Armour could be compounded to be timed

> released?

[Guest guest]

Well, that would be neat if a good natural thyroid med could be geared to

act like our original thyroids did. That would be a miracle, as far as I'm

concerned. There is a slow release T3, isn't there? Yet, it would have to

be made to release T4 at certain intervals also, as well as the T3. Here's

my idea---It could be one like one of those dosage forms of another drug

that is inserted under the skin, and set up to release tiny amts at a time

into the blood stream. Hey, why can't that be done now by science, come to

think of it?

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

> I wonder if Armour could be compounded to be timed

> released?

[Guest guest]

You can have either of those forms prepared for you by a compounding pharmacy. I do not think Forest has any interest in developing new delivery systems for Armour. They can sell all they make as it is.leoyellowrose wrote:

(I posted this earlier but I don't know why it didn't show up!) My idea: an Armour (or levothyroxine if your prefer) patch you can wear on your skin. That way we can get all the calcitonin and parathyroid and all the other goodies without worrying whether to suck on that little sucker or swallow it -- AND we'd get a nice, steady dose, more like what the healthy thyroid would pump out, like Jan was saying. Who wants to contact Forrest????? Or should we patent this ourselves and become millionaires? :-)Oink!> > > I wonder if

Armour could be compounded to be timed> > released?__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You can have either of those forms prepared for you by a compounding pharmacy. I do not think Forest has any interest in developing new delivery systems for Armour. They can sell all they make as it is.leoyellowrose wrote:

(I posted this earlier but I don't know why it didn't show up!) My idea: an Armour (or levothyroxine if your prefer) patch you can wear on your skin. That way we can get all the calcitonin and parathyroid and all the other goodies without worrying whether to suck on that little sucker or swallow it -- AND we'd get a nice, steady dose, more like what the healthy thyroid would pump out, like Jan was saying. Who wants to contact Forrest????? Or should we patent this ourselves and become millionaires? :-)Oink!> > > I wonder if

Armour could be compounded to be timed> > released?__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I find that taking my thyroid meds with food slows down the absorption enough that the effect is very smooth, even though I only take them twice a day. I never experience a spike, and I only occasionally get a slight slump just before my second dose. wrote:

Well, that would be neat if a good natural thyroid med could be geared toact like our original thyroids did. That would be a miracle, as far as I'mconcerned. There is a slow release T3, isn't there? Yet, it would have tobe made to release T4 at certain intervals also, as well as the T3. Here'smy idea---It could be one like one of those dosage forms of another drugthat is inserted under the skin, and set up to release tiny amts at a timeinto the blood stream. Hey, why can't that be done now by science, come tothink of it? Re: Re: Suppressed tsh> I wonder if Armour could be

compounded to be timed> released?__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I find that taking my thyroid meds with food slows down the absorption enough that the effect is very smooth, even though I only take them twice a day. I never experience a spike, and I only occasionally get a slight slump just before my second dose. wrote:

Well, that would be neat if a good natural thyroid med could be geared toact like our original thyroids did. That would be a miracle, as far as I'mconcerned. There is a slow release T3, isn't there? Yet, it would have tobe made to release T4 at certain intervals also, as well as the T3. Here'smy idea---It could be one like one of those dosage forms of another drugthat is inserted under the skin, and set up to release tiny amts at a timeinto the blood stream. Hey, why can't that be done now by science, come tothink of it? Re: Re: Suppressed tsh> I wonder if Armour could be

compounded to be timed> released?__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I know they'd make a killin' on that! Constant thyroid hormone delivery system. Then everyone could fight over the patent just a few yrs later, but it would still be a miracle. If it was computerized, something like a pacemaker, to slow down or stop when not needed, then start and stop automatically during different times of day and night, I think it would make the world news. I'd join the study, that's for sure.

Re: Re: Suppressed tsh

You can have either of those forms prepared for you by a compounding pharmacy. I do not think Forest has any interest in developing new delivery systems for Armour. They can sell all they make as it is.