Re: left temporal EMG and hi beta --evolution graph

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Are there programs to plot the evolution of alpha, theta, delta, beta, hibeta over time?

Rolland

Hello Jan,

sessions have you run?

If you have 5 sessions, you might plot the evolution graph and get a bigger picture:

Has she made a change tendency in fast wave or slow wave amplitudes?

Is there any other dynamic in the graphs? for example, increase in amplitudes at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15)?

Another global question (to be in context with How many sessions you have run so far):

You say she has relieved symptoms with this training. Is this symptom lasting between sessions?

How many sessions a week? Finally,

How is her sleep pattern responding to training?

Small phenomenon can be less disturbing when we put it in context of global perspective.

Physiology changes.

Life/Sensitivity changes.

(I'm speaking "practically" here. The phenomenon itself is INTERESTING and worth further study for the scientifically minded).

Especially not a problem, if this is one of the moments that she feels very good.

Anyhow, I hope this serves more as a vote of confidence from a perspective of GLOBAL / BIG PICTURE CHANGES.

I look forward to reading your responses to the above.

Empower. Employ, ENJOY!

left temporal EMG and hi beta

Hello list,I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy-like symptoms (low energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock). We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is Biograph Infiniti.A few things happen, that I cannot explain:a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary (sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward. b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick is: 'let it go...' c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is more proportional to the right site.Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles, cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot there all the time.It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta surges, though I am not sure.My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which becomes worse during the second half of the training period. However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should come from the right cortex... Anybody who can offer an explanation?Thanks,Jan Schene, health psychologistHaarlemNederland

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Are there programs to plot the evolution of alpha, theta, delta, beta, hibeta over time?

Rolland

Hello Jan,

sessions have you run?

If you have 5 sessions, you might plot the evolution graph and get a bigger picture:

Has she made a change tendency in fast wave or slow wave amplitudes?

Is there any other dynamic in the graphs? for example, increase in amplitudes at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15)?

Another global question (to be in context with How many sessions you have run so far):

You say she has relieved symptoms with this training. Is this symptom lasting between sessions?

How many sessions a week? Finally,

How is her sleep pattern responding to training?

Small phenomenon can be less disturbing when we put it in context of global perspective.

Physiology changes.

Life/Sensitivity changes.

(I'm speaking "practically" here. The phenomenon itself is INTERESTING and worth further study for the scientifically minded).

Especially not a problem, if this is one of the moments that she feels very good.

Anyhow, I hope this serves more as a vote of confidence from a perspective of GLOBAL / BIG PICTURE CHANGES.

I look forward to reading your responses to the above.

Empower. Employ, ENJOY!

left temporal EMG and hi beta

Hello list,I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy-like symptoms (low energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock). We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is Biograph Infiniti.A few things happen, that I cannot explain:a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary (sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward. b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick is: 'let it go...' c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is more proportional to the right site.Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles, cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot there all the time.It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta surges, though I am not sure.My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which becomes worse during the second half of the training period. However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should come from the right cortex... Anybody who can offer an explanation?Thanks,Jan Schene, health psychologistHaarlemNederland

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[Guest guest]

Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

sessions?

Mike

>

>

> Subject: Re: left temporal EMG and hi beta --

evolution graph

> To: braintrainer

> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:31 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

> Are there programs to plot the evolution of alpha, theta, delta,

beta, hibeta over time?

>  

> Rolland

>  

>

> In a message dated 11/22/2008 10:57:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,

adriancmvdhotmail (DOT) com writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello Jan,

>  

> sessions have you run?

> If you have 5 sessions, you might plot the evolution graph and get

a bigger picture:

> Has she made a change tendency in fast wave or slow wave

amplitudes?

> Is there any other dynamic in the graphs? for example, increase in

amplitudes at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15)?

>  

> Another global question (to be in context with How many sessions

you have run so far):

> You say she has relieved symptoms with this training. Is this

symptom lasting between sessions?

> How many sessions a week?  Finally,

> How is her sleep pattern responding to training?

>  

> Small phenomenon can be less disturbing when we put it in context

of global perspective.

> Physiology changes.

> Life/Sensitivity changes.

> (I'm speaking " practically " here. The phenomenon itself is

INTERESTING and worth further study for the scientifically minded).

>  

> Especially not a problem, if this is one of the moments that she

feels very good.

>  

> Anyhow, I hope this serves more as a vote of confidence from a

perspective of GLOBAL / BIG PICTURE CHANGES.

>  

> I look forward to reading your responses to the above.

>

> Empower. Employ, ENJOY!

>  

>

>  

>  

>  

>

> left temporal EMG and hi beta

>

>

>

> Hello list,

>

> I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy- like symptoms (low

energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any

sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock).

> We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives

relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last

week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.

> We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is

Biograph Infiniti.

>

> A few things happen, that I cannot explain:

>

> a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high

frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The

amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower

beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary

(sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward.

>

> b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT

accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely

high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these

trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram

always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick

is: 'let it go...'

>

> c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is

more proportional to the right site.

>

> Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles,

cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG

doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I

described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot

there all the time.

> It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she

wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta

surges, though I am not sure.

> My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which

becomes worse during the second half of the training period.

However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this

left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should

come from the right cortex...

>

> Anybody who can offer an explanation?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jan Schene, health psychologist

> Haarlem

> Nederland

>

>

>

>

>

>

> One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks,

and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!

>

[Guest guest]

Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

sessions?

Mike

>

>

> Subject: Re: left temporal EMG and hi beta --

evolution graph

> To: braintrainer

> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:31 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

> Are there programs to plot the evolution of alpha, theta, delta,

beta, hibeta over time?

>  

> Rolland

>  

>

> In a message dated 11/22/2008 10:57:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,

adriancmvdhotmail (DOT) com writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello Jan,

>  

> sessions have you run?

> If you have 5 sessions, you might plot the evolution graph and get

a bigger picture:

> Has she made a change tendency in fast wave or slow wave

amplitudes?

> Is there any other dynamic in the graphs? for example, increase in

amplitudes at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15)?

>  

> Another global question (to be in context with How many sessions

you have run so far):

> You say she has relieved symptoms with this training. Is this

symptom lasting between sessions?

> How many sessions a week?  Finally,

> How is her sleep pattern responding to training?

>  

> Small phenomenon can be less disturbing when we put it in context

of global perspective.

> Physiology changes.

> Life/Sensitivity changes.

> (I'm speaking " practically " here. The phenomenon itself is

INTERESTING and worth further study for the scientifically minded).

>  

> Especially not a problem, if this is one of the moments that she

feels very good.

>  

> Anyhow, I hope this serves more as a vote of confidence from a

perspective of GLOBAL / BIG PICTURE CHANGES.

>  

> I look forward to reading your responses to the above.

>

> Empower. Employ, ENJOY!

>  

>

>  

>  

>  

>

> left temporal EMG and hi beta

>

>

>

> Hello list,

>

> I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy- like symptoms (low

energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any

sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock).

> We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives

relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last

week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.

> We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is

Biograph Infiniti.

>

> A few things happen, that I cannot explain:

>

> a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high

frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The

amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower

beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary

(sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward.

>

> b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT

accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely

high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these

trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram

always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick

is: 'let it go...'

>

> c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is

more proportional to the right site.

>

> Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles,

cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG

doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I

described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot

there all the time.

> It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she

wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta

surges, though I am not sure.

> My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which

becomes worse during the second half of the training period.

However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this

left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should

come from the right cortex...

>

> Anybody who can offer an explanation?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jan Schene, health psychologist

> Haarlem

> Nederland

>

>

>

>

>

>

> One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks,

and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,You can use BioReview to export the session data (choosing the level of resolution to 1 point/second, 1 per minute, etc.) and then open the text files in Excel and graph them. The problem with this is generally that one ends up with maybe 5 or 6 plots on the same graph, which is difficult to read. The other is to output a single point for the session for each measure, and graph these points over sessions. If you choose to do this, it's worth noting that with most amplifiers you are taking 256 readings per second, about 15,000 per minute, about 300,000 in a 20-minute session, and reducing them all to one number.

If you choose to do this, you can also use Export Settings in the Design menu to select which data you want to output and set some preferences for how they will be calculated. The result will be that you'll end up with an automatically generated text file with the same name as your session in the same folder, without ever opening BioReview.

Pete

Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

sessions?

Mike-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Mike,You can use BioReview to export the session data (choosing the level of resolution to 1 point/second, 1 per minute, etc.) and then open the text files in Excel and graph them. The problem with this is generally that one ends up with maybe 5 or 6 plots on the same graph, which is difficult to read. The other is to output a single point for the session for each measure, and graph these points over sessions. If you choose to do this, it's worth noting that with most amplifiers you are taking 256 readings per second, about 15,000 per minute, about 300,000 in a 20-minute session, and reducing them all to one number.

If you choose to do this, you can also use Export Settings in the Design menu to select which data you want to output and set some preferences for how they will be calculated. The result will be that you'll end up with an automatically generated text file with the same name as your session in the same folder, without ever opening BioReview.

Pete

Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

sessions?

Mike-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

Mike

>

> > Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

> > sessions?

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

Mike

>

> > Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

> > sessions?

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

Mike

>

> > Is there a way to track/chart/graph this over several or more

> > sessions?

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,No, you can't sample a recorded signal in BE. If you want to try out various options, open the recorded file in BioReview and export you text files from that. Then when you find what you like, you can apply it to BioExplorer.

Pete

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Mike,No, you can't sample a recorded signal in BE. If you want to try out various options, open the recorded file in BioReview and export you text files from that. Then when you find what you like, you can apply it to BioExplorer.

Pete

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Mike,No, you can't sample a recorded signal in BE. If you want to try out various options, open the recorded file in BioReview and export you text files from that. Then when you find what you like, you can apply it to BioExplorer.

Pete

Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings and

get back with you if I have questions.

Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions and

not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time " session

so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pete!

Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pete!

Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pete!

Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Roland, ,

Of course. Overall progress is easily exported by Bioexplorer. Though not always programmed into the designs by every BioExplorer programmer that you buy designs from.

An obvious place to plug www.itallis.com/ourdesigns

These packs have the design which automatically exports session stats and has an automated Evolution Graph as well as an individual Session Graph.

Meanwhile, the basic B.E. resource is found and configured in the DESIGN menu of B.Explorer. EXPORT STATISTICS...

if you have TAB option set in the first TAB, then jump to the second tab. There you can choose the stats you want to export. HOWEVER. Then you will open the resulting file in EXCEL to graph.

That said- once again- we've done the work for you.

Have fun with our design PACKS.

left temporal EMG and hi beta> > > > Hello list,> > I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy- like symptoms (low energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock). > We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.> We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is Biograph Infiniti.> > A few things happen, that I cannot explain:> > a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary (sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward. > > b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick is: 'let it go...' > > c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is more proportional to the right site.> > Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles, cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot there all the time.> It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta surges, though I am not sure.> My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which becomes worse during the second half of the training period. However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should come from the right cortex... > > Anybody who can offer an explanation?> > Thanks,> > Jan Schene, health psychologist> Haarlem> Nederland > > > > > > > One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!>

[Guest guest]

Roland, ,

Of course. Overall progress is easily exported by Bioexplorer. Though not always programmed into the designs by every BioExplorer programmer that you buy designs from.

An obvious place to plug www.itallis.com/ourdesigns

These packs have the design which automatically exports session stats and has an automated Evolution Graph as well as an individual Session Graph.

Meanwhile, the basic B.E. resource is found and configured in the DESIGN menu of B.Explorer. EXPORT STATISTICS...

if you have TAB option set in the first TAB, then jump to the second tab. There you can choose the stats you want to export. HOWEVER. Then you will open the resulting file in EXCEL to graph.

That said- once again- we've done the work for you.

Have fun with our design PACKS.

left temporal EMG and hi beta> > > > Hello list,> > I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy- like symptoms (low energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock). > We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.> We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is Biograph Infiniti.> > A few things happen, that I cannot explain:> > a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary (sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward. > > b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick is: 'let it go...' > > c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is more proportional to the right site.> > Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles, cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot there all the time.> It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta surges, though I am not sure.> My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which becomes worse during the second half of the training period. However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should come from the right cortex... > > Anybody who can offer an explanation?> > Thanks,> > Jan Schene, health psychologist> Haarlem> Nederland > > > > > > > One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!>

[Guest guest]

Roland, ,

Of course. Overall progress is easily exported by Bioexplorer. Though not always programmed into the designs by every BioExplorer programmer that you buy designs from.

An obvious place to plug www.itallis.com/ourdesigns

These packs have the design which automatically exports session stats and has an automated Evolution Graph as well as an individual Session Graph.

Meanwhile, the basic B.E. resource is found and configured in the DESIGN menu of B.Explorer. EXPORT STATISTICS...

if you have TAB option set in the first TAB, then jump to the second tab. There you can choose the stats you want to export. HOWEVER. Then you will open the resulting file in EXCEL to graph.

That said- once again- we've done the work for you.

Have fun with our design PACKS.

left temporal EMG and hi beta> > > > Hello list,> > I am training a 50y old women for fibromyalgy- like symptoms (low energy, busy mind, irritable, sore muscles, and overreacting to any sensory stimulation, even the ticking of the clock). > We are doing a WSq training at T3 (12-18) - T4 (10-15), that gives relieve of symptoms. We trained at a fixed threshold of 30, last week lowering it to 25 because of improvements.> We do 6 trials of 5 minutes each per session. My equipment is Biograph Infiniti.> > A few things happen, that I cannot explain:> > a. Sometimes the EEG shows a sudden and significant raise in high frequency (52-58Hz) at the left temporal (and not at the right). The amplitude is oscillates around 7 or 8. This leaks into the lower beta regions of the EEG, and a change in threshold is necessary (sometimes to 50) in order to receive any reward. > > b. Sometimes there is this raise in left temporal hi beta but NOT accompanied by increase in 52-58 Hz. That is: 18-38 is extremely high, but the EMG amplitude stays under, say, 4 or 5... During these trials she reacts very good at feedback and the 5 second histogram always shows a wonderful decline of hi beta. Her mental trick is: 'let it go...' > > c. During other trials (always 5 minute) 18-38 as well as 52-58 is more proportional to the right site.> > Artifact tests did not give a clue. We tested facial muscles, cheeks, neck and shoulder with son tecnniques but the EEG doesnot react at it as much as during the spontaneous surges that I described. Equipment errors can be ruled out, as the problem isnot there all the time.> It seems that inter-trail overactivity (talking a lot, as if she wants to empty her busy mind) sometimes predict these hi beta surges, though I am not sure.> My client usually has more pain in left shoulder and neck, which becomes worse during the second half of the training period. However, she confuses muscle tension with muscle soreness. If this left side pain is because of chronic high muscle tone, it should come from the right cortex... > > Anybody who can offer an explanation?> > Thanks,> > Jan Schene, health psychologist> Haarlem> Nederland > > > > > > > One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!>

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Sorry, but I'm not getting it. The other night when I followed these

intructions I was able to get a graph on the Excel spreadsheet but

tonight I'm doing something wrong and coming up empty. Can we take

this one step at a time?

Right now when I open a file in BioReview the design schematic comes

up. I've " run session " but that doesn't seem to give me anything

that " enables " the export function...which remains grayed out.

Also Millie recorded a session with the Export Settings enabled and

parameters chosen which came up with a text file that opens up with

raw numbers but no graph.

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks!! Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Sorry, but I'm not getting it. The other night when I followed these

intructions I was able to get a graph on the Excel spreadsheet but

tonight I'm doing something wrong and coming up empty. Can we take

this one step at a time?

Right now when I open a file in BioReview the design schematic comes

up. I've " run session " but that doesn't seem to give me anything

that " enables " the export function...which remains grayed out.

Also Millie recorded a session with the Export Settings enabled and

parameters chosen which came up with a text file that opens up with

raw numbers but no graph.

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks!! Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Sorry, but I'm not getting it. The other night when I followed these

intructions I was able to get a graph on the Excel spreadsheet but

tonight I'm doing something wrong and coming up empty. Can we take

this one step at a time?

Right now when I open a file in BioReview the design schematic comes

up. I've " run session " but that doesn't seem to give me anything

that " enables " the export function...which remains grayed out.

Also Millie recorded a session with the Export Settings enabled and

parameters chosen which came up with a text file that opens up with

raw numbers but no graph.

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks!! Mike

>

> > Thanks Pete! I'll be experimenting with the different settings

and

> > get back with you if I have questions.

> >

> > Am I correct that this only operates during real time sessions

and

> > not playback? Is so is there a way to trick BioExplorer into

> > thinking that a " playback " session is an actual " real time "

session

> > so that I can see how this will look on the Excel spreadsheet?

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 305/433-3160

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Here is a link to a video showing briefly how to set Export Settings

in the BioExplorer design and then make a graph using the text file

that you open in Excel.

1) Open either Epochs for one recording's data or Cumulative Summary

for an overview of several recordings.

2) Highlight the data you want to see on your graph.

3) Click the Chart Wizard (or Insert Chart).

This makes a basic graph, but you can make very nice graphs if you

know how to get around in Excel.

In BioReview, maybe you opened the design in BioReview and not a

report? If that's the case you need to create a new View and Add

Signals that you want to graph, then Run on Session. Then you can

export from that view.

Then open the text file in Excel and create a graph as described.

Rah

>

[Guest guest]

Rah, Pete and ,

Ok I'm starting to get it now! Thanks for the instructions and links

to ITALLIS both the website and the youtube tutorials. Lots of

information on the youtube vids! I stayed up way to late last night

trying to digest this and I'm almost there. A little more

experimenting and I'll probably have it...

The offerings on the ITALLIS website are quiet an expansion of what

is offered on TLC. I'm surprised I didn't know about it already.

Mike

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