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When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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I was just reading an article that involved A/T NFT. The audio feedback included a constant quiet background music and a "white noise" that Decreased in volume as Alpha was increased and Theta was Decreased. The subject was told that decreasing the white noise was "good". I find this approach to reinforcement curious. Is it just me or does it not seem more....practical if you will, to have the subject try to Increase a pleasant noise, such as ocean waves. (Isn't positive reinforcement is more effective in training than extinction?) And wouldnt it make for a more enjoyable experience for the client to increase pleasent noise than to have to suffer through unpleasent noise while the learning takes place? Do those of you in practice use either of the above methods in A/T, and is there applicable advantages to either approach?--Chris

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From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person. Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red). The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training. The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away. -Nita

Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person. Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red). The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training. The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away. -Nita

Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person. Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red). The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training. The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away. -Nita

Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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You can also set up the audio so that the volume increases and decreases rather than start and stop georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person.  Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red).  The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training.  The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away.  -Nita--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jill Ripley  wrote:Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM    When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training.  Rationale:  if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'.  Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water.  Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after.  If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client. JillMessages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topicMessages | CalendarMARKETPLACEFrom kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | UnsubscribeRecent Activity6New MembersVisit Your GroupYahoo! HealthHeartburn or WorseWhat symptomsare most serious?Meditation andLovingkindnessA Yahoo! Groupto share and learn.Search AdsGet new customers.List your web sitein Yahoo! Search.. 

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You can also set up the audio so that the volume increases and decreases rather than start and stop georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person.  Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red).  The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training.  The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away.  -Nita--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jill Ripley  wrote:Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM    When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training.  Rationale:  if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'.  Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water.  Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after.  If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client. JillMessages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topicMessages | CalendarMARKETPLACEFrom kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | UnsubscribeRecent Activity6New MembersVisit Your GroupYahoo! HealthHeartburn or WorseWhat symptomsare most serious?Meditation andLovingkindnessA Yahoo! Groupto share and learn.Search AdsGet new customers.List your web sitein Yahoo! Search.. 

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You can also set up the audio so that the volume increases and decreases rather than start and stop georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com From a hometrainers point of view I find this method to work very well, fit the music to the person.  Also I've found that my husband musician does best if I let him chose the music and then instead of having it go off and on when it crosses the threshold I have the white noise begin when he goes above the threshold (red).  The stopping and stopping makes him angry and it shows in his training.  The white noise irritates him but not as much so he works to keep the white noise away.  -Nita--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jill Ripley  wrote:Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM    When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training.  Rationale:  if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'.  Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water.  Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after.  If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client. JillMessages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topicMessages | CalendarMARKETPLACEFrom kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | UnsubscribeRecent Activity6New MembersVisit Your GroupYahoo! HealthHeartburn or WorseWhat symptomsare most serious?Meditation andLovingkindnessA Yahoo! Groupto share and learn.Search AdsGet new customers.List your web sitein Yahoo! Search.. 

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I understantd that the reason to increase the white noise it is so the

binaural beats encourage the brain to produce that frequency, 7hz this

alpha/theta protocol.

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:37:43 -0800, chris

wrote:

> I was just reading an article that involved A/T NFT. The audio feedback

> included a constant quiet background music and a " white noise " that

> Decreased in volume as Alpha was increased and Theta was Decreased. The

> subject was told that decreasing the white noise was " good " .

> I find this approach to reinforcement curious. Is it just me or does

> it not seem more....practical if you will, to have the subject try to

> Increase a pleasant noise, such as ocean waves. (Isn't positive

> reinforcement is more effective in training than extinction?)

> And wouldnt it make for a more enjoyable experience for the client to

> increase pleasent noise than to have to suffer through unpleasent noise

> while the learning takes place?

> Do those of you in practice use either of the above methods in A/T,

> and is there applicable advantages to either approach?

> --Chris

[Guest guest]

I understantd that the reason to increase the white noise it is so the

binaural beats encourage the brain to produce that frequency, 7hz this

alpha/theta protocol.

DiBiagio

---------------

Jaya - Biofeedback, Neurofeedback, Yoga Therapy

M.A. Transpersonal Psychology - BCIA-EEG Certification

2923 Beach Avenue, Venice, CA 90291

310-9852275

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:37:43 -0800, chris

wrote:

> I was just reading an article that involved A/T NFT. The audio feedback

> included a constant quiet background music and a " white noise " that

> Decreased in volume as Alpha was increased and Theta was Decreased. The

> subject was told that decreasing the white noise was " good " .

> I find this approach to reinforcement curious. Is it just me or does

> it not seem more....practical if you will, to have the subject try to

> Increase a pleasant noise, such as ocean waves. (Isn't positive

> reinforcement is more effective in training than extinction?)

> And wouldnt it make for a more enjoyable experience for the client to

> increase pleasent noise than to have to suffer through unpleasent noise

> while the learning takes place?

> Do those of you in practice use either of the above methods in A/T,

> and is there applicable advantages to either approach?

> --Chris

[Guest guest]

I understantd that the reason to increase the white noise it is so the

binaural beats encourage the brain to produce that frequency, 7hz this

alpha/theta protocol.

DiBiagio

---------------

Jaya - Biofeedback, Neurofeedback, Yoga Therapy

M.A. Transpersonal Psychology - BCIA-EEG Certification

2923 Beach Avenue, Venice, CA 90291

310-9852275

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:37:43 -0800, chris

wrote:

> I was just reading an article that involved A/T NFT. The audio feedback

> included a constant quiet background music and a " white noise " that

> Decreased in volume as Alpha was increased and Theta was Decreased. The

> subject was told that decreasing the white noise was " good " .

> I find this approach to reinforcement curious. Is it just me or does

> it not seem more....practical if you will, to have the subject try to

> Increase a pleasant noise, such as ocean waves. (Isn't positive

> reinforcement is more effective in training than extinction?)

> And wouldnt it make for a more enjoyable experience for the client to

> increase pleasent noise than to have to suffer through unpleasent noise

> while the learning takes place?

> Do those of you in practice use either of the above methods in A/T,

> and is there applicable advantages to either approach?

> --Chris

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I tried doing that -- having the volume decrease and increase-- and couldn't get it to work. I thought it would be a simple thing to accomplisth by setting the volume range from 85 to 100 and it still stopped and started What 's wrong?

nick mammano

From: Jill Ripley <voyagercyberport (DOT) net>Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

Jill

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I tried doing that -- having the volume decrease and increase-- and couldn't get it to work. I thought it would be a simple thing to accomplisth by setting the volume range from 85 to 100 and it still stopped and started What 's wrong?

nick mammano

From: Jill Ripley <voyagercyberport (DOT) net>Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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I tried doing that -- having the volume decrease and increase-- and couldn't get it to work. I thought it would be a simple thing to accomplisth by setting the volume range from 85 to 100 and it still stopped and started What 's wrong?

nick mammano

From: Jill Ripley <voyagercyberport (DOT) net>Subject: Re: question to group about a practical issueTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:16 PM

When doing alpha-theta training, I consider it important to find out what kinds of sound are pleasant for the client, and what kinds may induce some sort of negative reaction before I ever start the actual training. Rationale: if a client once had an experience of being sucked under by dangerous ocean currents, I'd probably try to stay away from the ocean wave sound either as 'white noise' or as the 'reward'. Some women for example can't stand the sound of running water. Quickly their minds turn to the amount of time it will take them to reach the bathroom, rather than the calm, hypnogogic state we're after. If your software has a selection of sounds, you can use about anything so long as the sounds are easily distinguishable for the client.

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