SV: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

[Guest guest]

Tony,

Do you easily get cold

hands/ feet?. If that’s the case, try hand warming techniques. MIght

improve your condition.

You can use a

thermometer to check  finger temperature. You can also check hand temperature  by

placing palm of hand against the side of your face and notice if your hand is

colder than your cheek. Personally I like hand and cheek to feel as if they

melt together. It’s a sign of that I’m calm and collected.

Hand warming is done

easily with good breathing excersises.

http://www.aapb.org/files/public/Temperature.pdf

Good luck!

Jim

Fra:

braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] På vegne av karyn.tony@...

Sendt: 16. januar 2008 02:17

Til: braintrainer

Emne: RE: NFB

Novice - initial advice sought

I totally agree with all the previous posts but strongly recommend

Dr s suggestion as to the up grade to the A3 it

will save you money in the long run.

Cheers Tony

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Message-----

From: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of Bruce Z. Berman

Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2008 2:04 p.m.

To: braintrainer

Subject: Re: NFB

Novice - initial advice sought

Are you

refering to the bipolar set up for the migraines. In other words your training

the difference between the two sites, correct?

Thanks,

PS: I love

that arousal scale you constructed.

Bruce

-----

Original Message -----

From: R.

To: braintrainer

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:31 PM

Subject: Re: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

Hi Bob,

best wishes

for you! This is a fascinating world. Welcome

I strongly

recommend you the EEG Pendant because I've been using it since 2006 with

excellent results. If you are able to upgrade to the A3, go for it! Is more

versatile than the Pendant. The " most read " book is Demo's

Starting with Neurofeedback.

I also

recommend you to do a TLC assessment for yourself before start your training so

you may be sure where and what to do on your brain. Do the Subjective and the

objective. Also consider the Arousal Scale to determine your ANS Rhythm or best

frequency to train at T3-T4. With this specific protocol at the best rewarding

frequency for your brain you may find extraordinary response for your migraines.

Hope these

helps.

Miami,FL

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Message ----

From: r.wakely <r.wakelybigpond (DOT) net.au>

To: braintrainer

Sent: Tuesday,

January 15, 2008 3:51:10

PM

Subject: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

Greetings,

I'm excited to be a member of this forum and looking forward to

learning heaps. I live in Melbourne, Australia and I'm a complete

novice to NFB. In fact I haven't even bought the equiptment yet -

I'll be ordering that soon.

I suffer bad migrains and have become very interested in NFB to help

me 'stave' them off. I'm also a violinist and teacher and would like

to improve my thinking processes such concentration and staying

in 'the zone' during performance if possible. I read an interesting

piece of research about NFB and music performance -

http://www.aapb.

org/i4a/pages/ index.cfm? pageid=3609

I expect this will be a long process but that's ok. I have a steep

learning curve ahead of me.

As a novice, what book would you recommend for me to read? Which

device would you suggest I purchase - the pendant or A3? What is the

best initial pathway I should begin with on my NFB journey?

Regards, Bob

Never miss a

thing. Make

Yahoo your homepage.

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G'day Bob,

FYI, there are quite a few neurofeedback practitioners here in the land of Oz, particularly in your fair city of Melbourne. There is a partial list on the website of the newly formed Applied Neuroscience Society of Australasia (www.ansa.au.com).

I'm up on the Sunshine Coast. I may be slow to respond over the next few days ... my computer crashed and I'm only accessing webmail when I can.

All the best,

Mark Darling

On Wed Jan 16 19:19 , ' Van Deusen' sent:

Comparing the A3 and the Pendant:

If you think you will, now or eventually, want to be able to do BOTH the types of HEG training and EEG training, then the Pocket is cost-effective. If you are likely only to want to do one type of HEG and EEG, then two Pendants are a bit less costly.

If you think you will want to do training without a computer, then the Pocket is the option. Just be aware that the feedback is a lot more limited with the little screen of the Pocket than if you are training with BioExplorer and either of the devices.

Getting two Pendants vs. getting one Pocket to do your training: Any Minder Labs device communicates with the computer through the same dongle/receiving unit. Hence, if you buy two Pendants, you have one extra dongle that stays in your drawer, and you install the other to use with both Pendants (or Pocket). That way, if one dongle fails, which they do from time to time, you send the bad one back, pull the other out of the drawer, and keep on training while awaiting the replacement of the first. If that happens to a Pocket user, you lose the ability to do EEG and HEG. If one of the Pendants fails, you still have the ability to do one of the training modalities as well.

If you are planning on carting the device around from place to place, the Pendant is almost indestructible--except perhaps for yanking the battery wire loose. The Pocket's screen is susceptible to pressure in a bag or whatever. I've had to send two pockets for repair because the screen developed a big black spot that made it impossible to see the display after a trip.

If you are in any way challenged by computers or video games, be aware that the Pocket does require you to learn a menu system that remains beyond many people. After years of using it, I can generally find my way around it okay, but rarely without stumbling off into a side street by pressing the right button instead of the left or vice-versa.

Both are great devices, and you can get good results with both.

Pete

Greetings,

Thank you all for your advice. I'll order the book 'Starting with

NFB'.

Please suggest any other things that you feel would be important for

a novice. I'll be ordering equiptment soon - most likely the A3-

just need to save a few more pennies(-:

Regards

Bob

>

>

>

> Tony,

>

>

>

> Do you easily get cold hands/ feet?. If that's the case, try hand

warming

> techniques. MIght improve your condition.

>

>

>

> You can use a thermometer to check finger temperature. You can

also check

> hand temperature by placing palm of hand against the side of your

face and

> notice if your hand is colder than your cheek. Personally I like

hand and

> cheek to feel as if they melt together. It's a sign of that I'm

calm and

> collected.

>

>

>

> Hand warming is done easily with good breathing excersises.

>

>

>

> http://www.aapb.org/files/public/Temperature.pdf

>

>

>

>

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Fra: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] På

> vegne av karyn.tony@...

> Sendt: 16. januar 2008 02:17

> Til: braintrainer

> Emne: RE: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> I totally agree with all the previous posts but strongly recommend

Dr s

> suggestion as to the up grade to the A3 it will save you money in

the long

> run.

>

> Cheers Tony

>

>

>

> Re: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> Are you refering to the bipolar set up for the migraines. In other

words

> your training the difference between the two sites, correct?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> PS: I love that arousal scale you constructed.

>

>

>

> Bruce

>

> NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

> Greetings,

> I'm excited to be a member of this forum and looking forward to

> learning heaps. I live in Melbourne, Australia and I'm a complete

> novice to NFB. In fact I haven't even bought the equiptment yet -

> I'll be ordering that soon.

>

> I suffer bad migrains and have become very interested in NFB to

help

> me 'stave' them off. I'm also a violinist and teacher and would

like

> to improve my thinking processes such concentration and staying

> in 'the zone' during performance if possible. I read an

interesting

> piece of research about NFB and music performance -

> http://www.aapb. <http://www.aapb.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?

pageid=3609>

> org/i4a/pages/ index.cfm? pageid=3609

>

> I expect this will be a long process but that's ok. I have a steep

> learning curve ahead of me.

>

> As a novice, what book would you recommend for me to read? Which

> device would you suggest I purchase - the pendant or A3? What is

the

> best initial pathway I should begin with on my NFB journey?

>

> Regards, Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Never miss a thing. Make

> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs >

Yahoo your

> homepage.

>

>

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

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> 5:39 p.m.

>

>

>

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>

--

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http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160

The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

G'day Bob,

FYI, there are quite a few neurofeedback practitioners here in the land of Oz, particularly in your fair city of Melbourne. There is a partial list on the website of the newly formed Applied Neuroscience Society of Australasia (www.ansa.au.com).

I'm up on the Sunshine Coast. I may be slow to respond over the next few days ... my computer crashed and I'm only accessing webmail when I can.

All the best,

Mark Darling

On Wed Jan 16 19:19 , ' Van Deusen' sent:

Comparing the A3 and the Pendant:

If you think you will, now or eventually, want to be able to do BOTH the types of HEG training and EEG training, then the Pocket is cost-effective. If you are likely only to want to do one type of HEG and EEG, then two Pendants are a bit less costly.

If you think you will want to do training without a computer, then the Pocket is the option. Just be aware that the feedback is a lot more limited with the little screen of the Pocket than if you are training with BioExplorer and either of the devices.

Getting two Pendants vs. getting one Pocket to do your training: Any Minder Labs device communicates with the computer through the same dongle/receiving unit. Hence, if you buy two Pendants, you have one extra dongle that stays in your drawer, and you install the other to use with both Pendants (or Pocket). That way, if one dongle fails, which they do from time to time, you send the bad one back, pull the other out of the drawer, and keep on training while awaiting the replacement of the first. If that happens to a Pocket user, you lose the ability to do EEG and HEG. If one of the Pendants fails, you still have the ability to do one of the training modalities as well.

If you are planning on carting the device around from place to place, the Pendant is almost indestructible--except perhaps for yanking the battery wire loose. The Pocket's screen is susceptible to pressure in a bag or whatever. I've had to send two pockets for repair because the screen developed a big black spot that made it impossible to see the display after a trip.

If you are in any way challenged by computers or video games, be aware that the Pocket does require you to learn a menu system that remains beyond many people. After years of using it, I can generally find my way around it okay, but rarely without stumbling off into a side street by pressing the right button instead of the left or vice-versa.

Both are great devices, and you can get good results with both.

Pete

Greetings,

Thank you all for your advice. I'll order the book 'Starting with

NFB'.

Please suggest any other things that you feel would be important for

a novice. I'll be ordering equiptment soon - most likely the A3-

just need to save a few more pennies(-:

Regards

Bob

>

>

>

> Tony,

>

>

>

> Do you easily get cold hands/ feet?. If that's the case, try hand

warming

> techniques. MIght improve your condition.

>

>

>

> You can use a thermometer to check finger temperature. You can

also check

> hand temperature by placing palm of hand against the side of your

face and

> notice if your hand is colder than your cheek. Personally I like

hand and

> cheek to feel as if they melt together. It's a sign of that I'm

calm and

> collected.

>

>

>

> Hand warming is done easily with good breathing excersises.

>

>

>

> http://www.aapb.org/files/public/Temperature.pdf

>

>

>

>

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Fra: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] På

> vegne av karyn.tony@...

> Sendt: 16. januar 2008 02:17

> Til: braintrainer

> Emne: RE: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> I totally agree with all the previous posts but strongly recommend

Dr s

> suggestion as to the up grade to the A3 it will save you money in

the long

> run.

>

> Cheers Tony

>

>

>

> Re: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> Are you refering to the bipolar set up for the migraines. In other

words

> your training the difference between the two sites, correct?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> PS: I love that arousal scale you constructed.

>

>

>

> Bruce

>

> NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

> Greetings,

> I'm excited to be a member of this forum and looking forward to

> learning heaps. I live in Melbourne, Australia and I'm a complete

> novice to NFB. In fact I haven't even bought the equiptment yet -

> I'll be ordering that soon.

>

> I suffer bad migrains and have become very interested in NFB to

help

> me 'stave' them off. I'm also a violinist and teacher and would

like

> to improve my thinking processes such concentration and staying

> in 'the zone' during performance if possible. I read an

interesting

> piece of research about NFB and music performance -

> http://www.aapb. <http://www.aapb.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?

pageid=3609>

> org/i4a/pages/ index.cfm? pageid=3609

>

> I expect this will be a long process but that's ok. I have a steep

> learning curve ahead of me.

>

> As a novice, what book would you recommend for me to read? Which

> device would you suggest I purchase - the pendant or A3? What is

the

> best initial pathway I should begin with on my NFB journey?

>

> Regards, Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Never miss a thing. Make

> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs >

Yahoo your

> homepage.

>

>

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date:

1/14/2008

> 5:39 p.m.

>

>

>

> No virus found in this outgoing message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date:

1/14/2008

> 5:39 p.m.

>

--

Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160

The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

G'day Bob,

FYI, there are quite a few neurofeedback practitioners here in the land of Oz, particularly in your fair city of Melbourne. There is a partial list on the website of the newly formed Applied Neuroscience Society of Australasia (www.ansa.au.com).

I'm up on the Sunshine Coast. I may be slow to respond over the next few days ... my computer crashed and I'm only accessing webmail when I can.

All the best,

Mark Darling

On Wed Jan 16 19:19 , ' Van Deusen' sent:

Comparing the A3 and the Pendant:

If you think you will, now or eventually, want to be able to do BOTH the types of HEG training and EEG training, then the Pocket is cost-effective. If you are likely only to want to do one type of HEG and EEG, then two Pendants are a bit less costly.

If you think you will want to do training without a computer, then the Pocket is the option. Just be aware that the feedback is a lot more limited with the little screen of the Pocket than if you are training with BioExplorer and either of the devices.

Getting two Pendants vs. getting one Pocket to do your training: Any Minder Labs device communicates with the computer through the same dongle/receiving unit. Hence, if you buy two Pendants, you have one extra dongle that stays in your drawer, and you install the other to use with both Pendants (or Pocket). That way, if one dongle fails, which they do from time to time, you send the bad one back, pull the other out of the drawer, and keep on training while awaiting the replacement of the first. If that happens to a Pocket user, you lose the ability to do EEG and HEG. If one of the Pendants fails, you still have the ability to do one of the training modalities as well.

If you are planning on carting the device around from place to place, the Pendant is almost indestructible--except perhaps for yanking the battery wire loose. The Pocket's screen is susceptible to pressure in a bag or whatever. I've had to send two pockets for repair because the screen developed a big black spot that made it impossible to see the display after a trip.

If you are in any way challenged by computers or video games, be aware that the Pocket does require you to learn a menu system that remains beyond many people. After years of using it, I can generally find my way around it okay, but rarely without stumbling off into a side street by pressing the right button instead of the left or vice-versa.

Both are great devices, and you can get good results with both.

Pete

Greetings,

Thank you all for your advice. I'll order the book 'Starting with

NFB'.

Please suggest any other things that you feel would be important for

a novice. I'll be ordering equiptment soon - most likely the A3-

just need to save a few more pennies(-:

Regards

Bob

>

>

>

> Tony,

>

>

>

> Do you easily get cold hands/ feet?. If that's the case, try hand

warming

> techniques. MIght improve your condition.

>

>

>

> You can use a thermometer to check finger temperature. You can

also check

> hand temperature by placing palm of hand against the side of your

face and

> notice if your hand is colder than your cheek. Personally I like

hand and

> cheek to feel as if they melt together. It's a sign of that I'm

calm and

> collected.

>

>

>

> Hand warming is done easily with good breathing excersises.

>

>

>

> http://www.aapb.org/files/public/Temperature.pdf

>

>

>

>

>

> Good luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Fra: braintrainer

[mailto:braintrainer ] På

> vegne av karyn.tony@...

> Sendt: 16. januar 2008 02:17

> Til: braintrainer

> Emne: RE: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> I totally agree with all the previous posts but strongly recommend

Dr s

> suggestion as to the up grade to the A3 it will save you money in

the long

> run.

>

> Cheers Tony

>

>

>

> Re: NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

>

>

> Are you refering to the bipolar set up for the migraines. In other

words

> your training the difference between the two sites, correct?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> PS: I love that arousal scale you constructed.

>

>

>

> Bruce

>

> NFB Novice - initial advice sought

>

> Greetings,

> I'm excited to be a member of this forum and looking forward to

> learning heaps. I live in Melbourne, Australia and I'm a complete

> novice to NFB. In fact I haven't even bought the equiptment yet -

> I'll be ordering that soon.

>

> I suffer bad migrains and have become very interested in NFB to

help

> me 'stave' them off. I'm also a violinist and teacher and would

like

> to improve my thinking processes such concentration and staying

> in 'the zone' during performance if possible. I read an

interesting

> piece of research about NFB and music performance -

> http://www.aapb. <http://www.aapb.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?

pageid=3609>

> org/i4a/pages/ index.cfm? pageid=3609

>

> I expect this will be a long process but that's ok. I have a steep

> learning curve ahead of me.

>

> As a novice, what book would you recommend for me to read? Which

> device would you suggest I purchase - the pendant or A3? What is

the

> best initial pathway I should begin with on my NFB journey?

>

> Regards, Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Never miss a thing. Make

> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs >

Yahoo your

> homepage.

>

>

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date:

1/14/2008

> 5:39 p.m.

>

>

>

> No virus found in this outgoing message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date:

1/14/2008

> 5:39 p.m.

>

--

Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160

The Learning Curve, Inc.