Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _ -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _ -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _ -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Tony,Cygnet is actually a set of designs for BioEra. The Designs were done by/for/with the input of the Othmers but the base engine is BioEra.If what you want to do is the routines the Othmers do (the interhemispheric, some alpha/theta and HEG) then is would be a complete package. If you are interested in other types of training then you would need to create your own or purchase other BioEra desingns. Given that Cygnet is powered by BIoEra I would suspect that you would be able to use other designs with it as well.In terms of the HEG I am not sure which systems other than the one the runs with NeuroAmp, are supported. BioEra itself does support Jeff Carmen's HEG. BioEra does also support the somatic games so you would not have to use Cygnet to use them. I have been very impressed with BioEra. I have been working with it, learning it and working on some designs for a couple months now. The program offers most of what BIoEx does and plus much more. The flexibility of the program is quite astounding. You can for instance have any element (Same as BioEx object) control other elements as well. For example one of the things Cygnet does is narrow the reward band as you go lower with it. Another example would be having the averaging in a threshold change automatically when you change filter types. Jarek, the developer, is very responsive. I have asked about a particular feature or a bug of some sort and generally hear back from him within hours. He has createdbug fix updates with 24 hours at times.BioEra is a bit harder to learn in terms of creating designs. For instance in order to do a bandpass filter like BioEx you have to use a filter which will output the filtered wave form then run it through an object called the scalarinstanttransform to get the amplitude. This breaking down of function into multiple specialized elements adds steps to design creation, but also increases then power and flexibility of the program.The basic interface is spartan but it is possible to import graphics and make the interface quite pleasing. HiHas anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated.Cheers Tony------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Tony,Cygnet is actually a set of designs for BioEra. The Designs were done by/for/with the input of the Othmers but the base engine is BioEra.If what you want to do is the routines the Othmers do (the interhemispheric, some alpha/theta and HEG) then is would be a complete package. If you are interested in other types of training then you would need to create your own or purchase other BioEra desingns. Given that Cygnet is powered by BIoEra I would suspect that you would be able to use other designs with it as well.In terms of the HEG I am not sure which systems other than the one the runs with NeuroAmp, are supported. BioEra itself does support Jeff Carmen's HEG. BioEra does also support the somatic games so you would not have to use Cygnet to use them. I have been very impressed with BioEra. I have been working with it, learning it and working on some designs for a couple months now. The program offers most of what BIoEx does and plus much more. The flexibility of the program is quite astounding. You can for instance have any element (Same as BioEx object) control other elements as well. For example one of the things Cygnet does is narrow the reward band as you go lower with it. Another example would be having the averaging in a threshold change automatically when you change filter types. Jarek, the developer, is very responsive. I have asked about a particular feature or a bug of some sort and generally hear back from him within hours. He has createdbug fix updates with 24 hours at times.BioEra is a bit harder to learn in terms of creating designs. For instance in order to do a bandpass filter like BioEx you have to use a filter which will output the filtered wave form then run it through an object called the scalarinstanttransform to get the amplitude. This breaking down of function into multiple specialized elements adds steps to design creation, but also increases then power and flexibility of the program.The basic interface is spartan but it is possible to import graphics and make the interface quite pleasing. HiHas anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated.Cheers Tony------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Pete,It is quite expensive given that it runs over Bioera which costs just $250.00.Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. PeteHas anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated.. _-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Pete,It is quite expensive given that it runs over Bioera which costs just $250.00.Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. PeteHas anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated.. _-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Hi guys, I have a Neuroamp and Cygnet, so I'll just chime in with my humble opinion on what may be a clarifiaction for Tony. Cygnet is designed to run on the Neuroamp, period. It's the Othmers' way of providing a sofware interface to support their approach to training. I haven't heard any talk that Cygnet will be supporting platforms other than Neuroamp. Now, it may be possible to hijack Cygnet to work with the underlysing BioEra software, but if you do it by going through Cygnet, don't expect to get support from EEG Info for this. The folks there are good to work with, but the primary agenda is explicitly their very low frequency approach. If your agenda is to do otherwise you might be better off to just buy BioEra and tough out the learning curve. Again, just my opinion. Good luck, -------------- Original message from : -------------- Pete, It is quite expensive given that it runs over Bioera which costs just $250.00. Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Tony <karyn.tonyxtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. georgemartinnorthstarneurofeedback www.northstarneurofeedback.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Hi guys, I have a Neuroamp and Cygnet, so I'll just chime in with my humble opinion on what may be a clarifiaction for Tony. Cygnet is designed to run on the Neuroamp, period. It's the Othmers' way of providing a sofware interface to support their approach to training. I haven't heard any talk that Cygnet will be supporting platforms other than Neuroamp. Now, it may be possible to hijack Cygnet to work with the underlysing BioEra software, but if you do it by going through Cygnet, don't expect to get support from EEG Info for this. The folks there are good to work with, but the primary agenda is explicitly their very low frequency approach. If your agenda is to do otherwise you might be better off to just buy BioEra and tough out the learning curve. Again, just my opinion. Good luck, -------------- Original message from : -------------- Pete, It is quite expensive given that it runs over Bioera which costs just $250.00. Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Tony <karyn.tonyxtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. georgemartinnorthstarneurofeedback www.northstarneurofeedback.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Hi guys, I have a Neuroamp and Cygnet, so I'll just chime in with my humble opinion on what may be a clarifiaction for Tony. Cygnet is designed to run on the Neuroamp, period. It's the Othmers' way of providing a sofware interface to support their approach to training. I haven't heard any talk that Cygnet will be supporting platforms other than Neuroamp. Now, it may be possible to hijack Cygnet to work with the underlysing BioEra software, but if you do it by going through Cygnet, don't expect to get support from EEG Info for this. The folks there are good to work with, but the primary agenda is explicitly their very low frequency approach. If your agenda is to do otherwise you might be better off to just buy BioEra and tough out the learning curve. Again, just my opinion. Good luck, -------------- Original message from : -------------- Pete, It is quite expensive given that it runs over Bioera which costs just $250.00. Tony, It's not true that Somatic Vision games require you to use only their designs. You can set them up to work with any design. If there is enough interest, I'll do a one-hour workshop online on how to adapt designs for these programs. Cygnet is apparently a shell that runs over BioReview. That's a great idea, but my understanding has been that it's pretty expensive and that currently it is limited to one main design. Pete On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Tony <karyn.tonyxtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Has anybody started using Cygnet yet it seems like a one stop shop, that is going to have on going support. Am not sure if it will have the flexibility to enable design changes etc. I am finding with somatic games you have to use their designs. With bioexplorer seemingly to be left to flounder by its creator. It does seem a cheaper option than just buying the games one by one. Your thoughts on the matter would be much apreciated. .. _-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. georgemartinnorthstarneurofeedback www.northstarneurofeedback.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Tony, I'm finishing a mini-workshop on video that shows how to use the Server. If you'd like something a little more immediate or some specific help, back-channel me at pvdtlc@... with a phone number for you, your time zone and best time to reach you. If you can get on the internet with your BE computer, I'll call you and we'll get online together, and I'll show you. Pete Thankyou for the replies. The power of advertising I guess. Yes Pete I would be interested in the online training to learn how to hook the designs up to Somatic .. -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com 305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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