Re: Adrenal support, anyone?

[Guest guest]

I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw you

over)is the cause of your problem with asthma. Have you ever had

problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

the car accident? When did the asthma start?

Chris

> Hi,

> I read all your posts and they didn't tell my anything except that

> you are new to asthma.  Did you have anything stressful happen to

you

> in the  two years before your asthma started? (car accident,

> bankruptsy, divorce, lost a loved one, etc).

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> Oh that last one was just the past year.

>

> 8/02 son became epileptic

> 7/02 son had surgery

> 8/02 son had 2 more surgeries

>

> let's see that's 7 episodes in the past 2 years.

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw you

over)is the cause of your problem with asthma.  Have you ever had

problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

the car accident?  When did the asthma start?

Chris

I don't think so.

8 months after accident

end of January

had something like asthma 3 times before that

that was 2 months after accident

end of August

but I really don't know what those things are

what is low cortisol??

HUGS!!!

PRECIOUS MARIE

KISS ME I'M IRISH!

mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex partial,

simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered cord,

allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

-mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw you

over)is the cause of your problem with asthma.  Have you ever had

problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

the car accident?  When did the asthma start?

Chris

I don't think so.

8 months after accident

end of January

had something like asthma 3 times before that

that was 2 months after accident

end of August

but I really don't know what those things are

what is low cortisol??

HUGS!!!

PRECIOUS MARIE

KISS ME I'M IRISH!

mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex partial,

simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered cord,

allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

-mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw you

over)is the cause of your problem with asthma.  Have you ever had

problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

the car accident?  When did the asthma start?

Chris

I don't think so.

8 months after accident

end of January

had something like asthma 3 times before that

that was 2 months after accident

end of August

but I really don't know what those things are

what is low cortisol??

HUGS!!!

PRECIOUS MARIE

KISS ME I'M IRISH!

mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex partial,

simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered cord,

allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

-mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

I can't figure out from your post, when you became asthmatic, but I

still believe that you have an adrenal insufficiency. I highly

recommend that you see and osteopath or and environmental doctor (I

see environ. Don't see an endocrinologist, they have very poor track

records with adrenal problems). They will give you an ACTH

stimulation test (make sure you ask for it) and they can figure out

how bad the adrenal problem is. If adrenals are the cause of the

asthma, they can be treated and the asthma should go away as did

mine.

I can't promise anything, but I feel very sure that is your problem,

it really doesn't matter if the asthma happened before or after the

car accident, you already had an avalanche fall on you.

See this page to find an environmental doc near you. Best money I

ever spent on a doctor. Call them on Monday.

http://www.aaem.com/referable_physicians.htm

Hope you keep us informed.

Chris

> I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

> cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw

you

> over)is the cause of your problem with asthma.  Have you ever had

> problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

> the car accident?  When did the asthma start?

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> I don't think so.

> 8 months after accident

> end of January

> had something like asthma 3 times before that

> that was 2 months after accident

> end of August

> but I really don't know what those things are

> what is low cortisol??

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

I can't figure out from your post, when you became asthmatic, but I

still believe that you have an adrenal insufficiency. I highly

recommend that you see and osteopath or and environmental doctor (I

see environ. Don't see an endocrinologist, they have very poor track

records with adrenal problems). They will give you an ACTH

stimulation test (make sure you ask for it) and they can figure out

how bad the adrenal problem is. If adrenals are the cause of the

asthma, they can be treated and the asthma should go away as did

mine.

I can't promise anything, but I feel very sure that is your problem,

it really doesn't matter if the asthma happened before or after the

car accident, you already had an avalanche fall on you.

See this page to find an environmental doc near you. Best money I

ever spent on a doctor. Call them on Monday.

http://www.aaem.com/referable_physicians.htm

Hope you keep us informed.

Chris

> I highly suspect that you have an adrenal insufficiency (low

> cortisol - you were already stressed,car accident probably threw

you

> over)is the cause of your problem with asthma.  Have you ever had

> problems with Irritable Bowel sydrome or Post traumatic Stress from

> the car accident?  When did the asthma start?

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> I don't think so.

> 8 months after accident

> end of January

> had something like asthma 3 times before that

> that was 2 months after accident

> end of August

> but I really don't know what those things are

> what is low cortisol??

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

Well I have 4 of the 9 symptoms of 's Disease.

HUGS!!!

PRECIOUS MARIE

KISS ME I'M IRISH!

mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex partial,

simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered cord,

allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

-mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

Well I have 4 of the 9 symptoms of 's Disease.

HUGS!!!

PRECIOUS MARIE

KISS ME I'M IRISH!

mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex partial,

simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered cord,

allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

-mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are real familiar with 's. Sometimes an

ian can suffer with asthma for years like I did before it is

figured out. The only way to know for SURE is to have the ACTH

stimulation test. That is the gold standard, the only standard to

figure if 's or a less serious adrenal insufficiency.

ACTH is a messenger hormone made in pituitary that causes the

adrenals to increase or to slow down production of cortisol. Feel

free to contact me (email me since we are drifting way off topic now)

if you have questions about it.

Chris

> Well I have 4 of the 9 symptoms of 's Disease.

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are real familiar with 's. Sometimes an

ian can suffer with asthma for years like I did before it is

figured out. The only way to know for SURE is to have the ACTH

stimulation test. That is the gold standard, the only standard to

figure if 's or a less serious adrenal insufficiency.

ACTH is a messenger hormone made in pituitary that causes the

adrenals to increase or to slow down production of cortisol. Feel

free to contact me (email me since we are drifting way off topic now)

if you have questions about it.

Chris

> Well I have 4 of the 9 symptoms of 's Disease.

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are real familiar with 's. Sometimes an

ian can suffer with asthma for years like I did before it is

figured out. The only way to know for SURE is to have the ACTH

stimulation test. That is the gold standard, the only standard to

figure if 's or a less serious adrenal insufficiency.

ACTH is a messenger hormone made in pituitary that causes the

adrenals to increase or to slow down production of cortisol. Feel

free to contact me (email me since we are drifting way off topic now)

if you have questions about it.

Chris

> Well I have 4 of the 9 symptoms of 's Disease.

>

> HUGS!!!

> PRECIOUS MARIE

> KISS ME I'M IRISH!

> mother of Tomas-spinal bifida, hydrophaleus, sciolosis,

> right ear deafness, epilepsy (Tonic-clonic, absence, complex

partial,

> simple partial, atonic, myoclonic), left-field blindness, tethered

cord,

> allergies, ezema, lazy eye, developmentally delayed

> Anastasia-ezema, allergies, nosebleeds

> -mild mental disability(MMD),ezema, allergies, asthma

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST

> To: asthma

> Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?

>

>

This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought.

One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If

trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory

boost be enough to set one's system right again?

Or is this another therapy that is " forever? "

Joan

Hi,

This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just

have to respond here.

I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe

hormonal problem called 's disease.

I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750

mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the

time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared.

It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my

cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels

(adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).

The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than

prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong

enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as prednisone but much

easier on the liver).

My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having

anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma

I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St.

Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this

spring.

I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when

deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a

hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was

also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low

(HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into

DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a

hundred other hormones).

If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident

(after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found

the cause to be low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of

the event),

months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had

asthma before, here is probably what happened.

The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma

stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma

continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick

every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it,

another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that

hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the

hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or

pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not

the adrenals are the cause.

I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the

adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another

symptom of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).

I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take

hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly.

" Dhea A Practical Guide " and " Pregnenolone " Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women

to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)

Read this

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 -

50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body

adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel

like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide

and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.

I am on the 's board also.

I hoped this post benefited some of you.

in St. Louis

> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?

> Joan

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST

> To: asthma

> Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?

>

>

This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought.

One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If

trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory

boost be enough to set one's system right again?

Or is this another therapy that is " forever? "

Joan

Hi,

This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just

have to respond here.

I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe

hormonal problem called 's disease.

I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750

mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the

time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared.

It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my

cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels

(adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).

The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than

prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong

enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as prednisone but much

easier on the liver).

My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having

anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma

I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St.

Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this

spring.

I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when

deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a

hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was

also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low

(HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into

DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a

hundred other hormones).

If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident

(after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found

the cause to be low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of

the event),

months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had

asthma before, here is probably what happened.

The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma

stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma

continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick

every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it,

another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that

hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the

hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or

pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not

the adrenals are the cause.

I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the

adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another

symptom of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).

I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take

hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly.

" Dhea A Practical Guide " and " Pregnenolone " Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women

to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)

Read this

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 -

50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body

adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel

like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide

and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.

I am on the 's board also.

I hoped this post benefited some of you.

in St. Louis

> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?

> Joan

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST

> To: asthma

> Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?

>

>

This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought.

One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If

trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory

boost be enough to set one's system right again?

Or is this another therapy that is " forever? "

Joan

Hi,

This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just

have to respond here.

I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe

hormonal problem called 's disease.

I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750

mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the

time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared.

It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my

cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels

(adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).

The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than

prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong

enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as prednisone but much

easier on the liver).

My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having

anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma

I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St.

Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this

spring.

I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when

deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a

hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was

also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low

(HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into

DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a

hundred other hormones).

If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident

(after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found

the cause to be low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of

the event),

months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had

asthma before, here is probably what happened.

The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma

stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma

continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick

every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it,

another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that

hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the

hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or

pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not

the adrenals are the cause.

I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the

adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another

symptom of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).

I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take

hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly.

" Dhea A Practical Guide " and " Pregnenolone " Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women

to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)

Read this

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 -

50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body

adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel

like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide

and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.

I am on the 's board also.

I hoped this post benefited some of you.

in St. Louis

> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?

> Joan

[Guest guest]

Hi,

One thing about hormonal deficiencies - they do not get fixed quickly. With an adrenal problem, it depends on just how bad it is in the first place as to how fast they come back up. If stress knocked down adrenals then you could be taking DHEA for months. If adrenals are severely knocked down then possibly hydocortisone could be needed too.

The DHEA does not make the body make more (DHEA does not surpress natural DHEA production, so if very safe), same with hydrocortisone and prednisone (both are synthetic cortisol), it just replunishes what is not being made. The adrenals take a long time to bring back up their own production of hormones when knocked down.

If you think that you have an adrenal problem, it would be wise to see a doctor. I always promote osteopaths and environmental docs as endocrinolgist (my experiance and many others) have a poor track record with adrenal problems.

The therapy hydro and prednisone (you don't have to take DHEA) is forever if you have 's disease. The DHEA can be taken forever (DHEA goes down as you age) even if in good health

I highly suggest you read these books

"The Super Hormone Promise" and"The Melatonin Miracle" Regelson M.D., & Carol Colman. (Everyone should read these two, even if they are healthy)

Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome L. N.D.,D.C.,Ph.D.

From Fatigued to Fantastic Teitelbaum, M.D.

"Dhea A Practical Guide" Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

America Exhausted Dr. J. Conley

You'll gain a ton of knowledge on these subjects, if you read them.

People take vitamins, minerals and herbs, but if they dont look into over the counter hormone supplements they are shorting their body.

I am not a doc, always check out what I or others say about any kind of supplements.

Always feel free to ask me questions.

Chrisjoan.bruce@... wrote:

> > > Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST> To: asthma > Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?> > This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought. One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory boost be enough to set one's system right again?Or is this another therapy that is "forever?"JoanHi,This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just have to respond here.I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe hormonal problem called 's disease.I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750 mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared. It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels (adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as

prednisone but much easier on the liver). My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St. Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this spring.I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low (HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a hundred other hormones).If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident (after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found the cause to be

low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of the event), months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had asthma before, here is probably what happened.The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it, another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not the adrenals are the cause.I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another symptom

of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly."Dhea A Practical Guide" and "Pregnenolone" Ray Sahelian, M.D.The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)Read thisPregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 - 50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.I am on the 's board also.I hoped this

post benefited some of you.in St. Louis> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?> Joan

[Guest guest]

Hi,

One thing about hormonal deficiencies - they do not get fixed quickly. With an adrenal problem, it depends on just how bad it is in the first place as to how fast they come back up. If stress knocked down adrenals then you could be taking DHEA for months. If adrenals are severely knocked down then possibly hydocortisone could be needed too.

The DHEA does not make the body make more (DHEA does not surpress natural DHEA production, so if very safe), same with hydrocortisone and prednisone (both are synthetic cortisol), it just replunishes what is not being made. The adrenals take a long time to bring back up their own production of hormones when knocked down.

If you think that you have an adrenal problem, it would be wise to see a doctor. I always promote osteopaths and environmental docs as endocrinolgist (my experiance and many others) have a poor track record with adrenal problems.

The therapy hydro and prednisone (you don't have to take DHEA) is forever if you have 's disease. The DHEA can be taken forever (DHEA goes down as you age) even if in good health

I highly suggest you read these books

"The Super Hormone Promise" and"The Melatonin Miracle" Regelson M.D., & Carol Colman. (Everyone should read these two, even if they are healthy)

Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome L. N.D.,D.C.,Ph.D.

From Fatigued to Fantastic Teitelbaum, M.D.

"Dhea A Practical Guide" Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

America Exhausted Dr. J. Conley

You'll gain a ton of knowledge on these subjects, if you read them.

People take vitamins, minerals and herbs, but if they dont look into over the counter hormone supplements they are shorting their body.

I am not a doc, always check out what I or others say about any kind of supplements.

Always feel free to ask me questions.

Chrisjoan.bruce@... wrote:

> > > Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST> To: asthma > Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?> > This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought. One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory boost be enough to set one's system right again?Or is this another therapy that is "forever?"JoanHi,This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just have to respond here.I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe hormonal problem called 's disease.I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750 mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared. It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels (adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as

prednisone but much easier on the liver). My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St. Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this spring.I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low (HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a hundred other hormones).If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident (after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found the cause to be

low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of the event), months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had asthma before, here is probably what happened.The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it, another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not the adrenals are the cause.I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another symptom

of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly."Dhea A Practical Guide" and "Pregnenolone" Ray Sahelian, M.D.The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)Read thisPregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 - 50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.I am on the 's board also.I hoped this

post benefited some of you.in St. Louis> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?> Joan

[Guest guest]

Hi,

One thing about hormonal deficiencies - they do not get fixed quickly. With an adrenal problem, it depends on just how bad it is in the first place as to how fast they come back up. If stress knocked down adrenals then you could be taking DHEA for months. If adrenals are severely knocked down then possibly hydocortisone could be needed too.

The DHEA does not make the body make more (DHEA does not surpress natural DHEA production, so if very safe), same with hydrocortisone and prednisone (both are synthetic cortisol), it just replunishes what is not being made. The adrenals take a long time to bring back up their own production of hormones when knocked down.

If you think that you have an adrenal problem, it would be wise to see a doctor. I always promote osteopaths and environmental docs as endocrinolgist (my experiance and many others) have a poor track record with adrenal problems.

The therapy hydro and prednisone (you don't have to take DHEA) is forever if you have 's disease. The DHEA can be taken forever (DHEA goes down as you age) even if in good health

I highly suggest you read these books

"The Super Hormone Promise" and"The Melatonin Miracle" Regelson M.D., & Carol Colman. (Everyone should read these two, even if they are healthy)

Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome L. N.D.,D.C.,Ph.D.

From Fatigued to Fantastic Teitelbaum, M.D.

"Dhea A Practical Guide" Ray Sahelian, M.D.

The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.

Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.

America Exhausted Dr. J. Conley

You'll gain a ton of knowledge on these subjects, if you read them.

People take vitamins, minerals and herbs, but if they dont look into over the counter hormone supplements they are shorting their body.

I am not a doc, always check out what I or others say about any kind of supplements.

Always feel free to ask me questions.

Chrisjoan.bruce@... wrote:

> > > Date: 2004/03/20 Sat AM 01:06:21 CST> To: asthma > Subject: Re: Adrenal support, anyone?> > This is a very interesting discussion. Thanks for the info and food for thought. One question--is DHEA something that you take for limited period of time? If trauma or stress is the culprit in adrenal insufficiency, wouldn't a tempory boost be enough to set one's system right again?Or is this another therapy that is "forever?"JoanHi,This is my first time here and your post was perfect timing. I just have to respond here.I had asthma for 9 years, before I figured out I have a severe hormonal problem called 's disease.I took DHEA, a hormone made in the adrenals for several months (750 mg at the before I found a doc that knew how to help me). During the time I took the DHEA my asthma disapeared. It turned out, I learned later, that the DHEA was helping raises my cortisol level (another adrenal hormone) and my testosterone levels (adrenals make 25% testosterone in men).The doc I see put my on hydrocortisone (4 times weaker than prednisone per mg). After a month he decided hydro was not strong enough so I was put on prednisolone (same as

prednisone but much easier on the liver). My asthma is 99% gone. My doc and I don't figure on me having anymore problems with asthma. I should mention that with the asthma I had terrible allergy problems (mainly fall and spring, live in St. Louis). Allergys did not hit last fall and so far have not hit this spring.I imagine you all are falling over.. let me explain. Cortisol when deficient will cause hard to control asthma and when you have a hormonal deficiency its never just one hormone, so turned out I was also deficient in Dhea and two steps above my HDL cholesteral was low (HDL Cholesterol-a hormone makes pregnenolone, which is made into DHEA, which is made into cortisol, estrogen, testosterone and over a hundred other hormones).If you had a stressful event like a bad car accident (after bad car accident I had PTSD which science has recently found the cause to be

low cortisol levels before and or after the stress of the event), months or even over a year before getting asthma and you never had asthma before, here is probably what happened.The stress of the event crashed your cortisol production. The asthma stresses the adrenals, keeping cortisol low, which makes the asthma continue and possibly get worse. During this time you can get sick every day for months. I would get sick and as I was getting over it, another virus would hit. The reason I got sick all the time is that hormones help keep the immune system working good. Lower the hormones, the immune system follows. If you get influenza and or pnuemonia often then your adrenals are stressed out whether or not the adrenals are the cause.I don't care how you all got your asthma, asthma is stressful on the adrenal glands hormone production, consider trying DHEA. Another symptom

of an adrenal insufficiency is IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).I recommend you read these books before trying DHEA, never take hormones or herbs without checking it out thoroughly."Dhea A Practical Guide" and "Pregnenolone" Ray Sahelian, M.D.The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S.I also take Pregnenolone which some sourses say is better for women to take instead of DHEA (women 5 - 10 mg, men 5- 15 mg)Read thisPregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D.I mentioned that I took 750 mg daily of DHEA, the normal dose is 25 - 50 mg. Go slow, try 25 mg for a couple of weeks to get your body adapted and go up higher (add 25 mg extra per week) until you feel like you are getting a good benefit. Remember this is just a guide and read the books I mentioned and look at the internet too.I am on the 's board also.I hoped this

post benefited some of you.in St. Louis> Has anyone here used adrenal suppliments?> Joan

[Guest guest]

Since I take Chromium picolinate for my hyperinsulinism (was a 15,

doctor said should have been 5, 12 hour fasting blood sugar was 87) I

tried to check this out for you (never heard of this connection). I

tried real hard to find that info on the net, but all the sites

(looked at 60 and gave up)were selling something and I never read

those. I did look in my books on the DHEA-chromium connection and

one of them " The DHEA breakthrough " page 115 says that this

connection exists. My other DHEA books don't mention this. I alway

try to find at least three reliable sourses before I believe

anything, so if you think your info is reliable we just need to find

one more.

Chris

> Carper in her book Stop The Aging Now, on page 88 and

> following,.says that taking chromium picolinate boosts your own

DHEA

> production.(200 micrograms a day)for women and 400 micrograms for

> men.Not for diabetics though,Low toxicity. Acts in a few days to a

> few weeks.

> What does the list think about this? Do you think it could be true?

> Anastasia

[Guest guest]

Walt, why are you still trolling this group? You are a lunatic who

knows nothing about asthma. Why do you persist in posting messages

that no one reads? You must have quit taking your medication. Please

quit trying to jerk people around. Asthma is a serious disease and you

know nothing about it. What you do know about is the vast array of

tunnels and the underground cities and the Brown's Gas and the Chem

Trails and the governments plot to kill us and the human clones that

have been developed for the military and the kortrons. So why don't

you tell us about those things that you know about and quit blowing

smoke?

Did you think I had forgotten about you? No such luck Walt. As long as

you post to this group I will be here to expose your lunatic, paranoid

delusions.

greyskr

> Hi Chris: I have had lack of bowel responce and arms legs etc.

jumping too! Think its hormones. Think I have dhea somewhgere in my

boxes of remedies. Thanks for this advice.

>

> Walt