Re: safe suppliments

------------------------

October 5, 2005

I have to say I dont think In and Out is as bad as Mc s, at least its all

fresh! We dont eat Mc s But I think Id die if I couldnt have In & Out

at least once a month!

Aimee

Amnesty wrote:

In and Out is a fast food place like Mc's here in California.

Aimee is trying to get her daughter to GAIN weight, so using oils and

making fried foods is what she needs

Amnesty

> what is of in and out fries? never to hear of that script before?

>

> Olive oils and other oils used in excess though can cause of weight

> gains so one needs to moderate like all things but it is of a

better

> oil for th heart. I too am of a person who likes fried foods and

salty

> crispy foods or spicey such as italian foods my issues is at some

> places finding good spicy foods I to like without the added cheeses

to

> the dish such as love olive garden but have to be very firm to say

NO

> DAIRY added to the food but often it can still come back sprinkled

> with cheeses LOL/ I to love their salads which does have dairy but

I

> to not have them add any more to it because then it will be too

much.

> Their salad often makes me to feel day dreamy but not aggressive.

the

> husband often says when we to go out to eat I to just mid way begin

to

> stare out and seem as if completely withdrew mentally from the

place

> and begin eating much slower. If really hungry he to says I to be

to

> hyper focus to the food alone and not want wany words to come to me

> until done to eat LOL and he to say when we go to dates it is of to

> share in words and he to gets confused because my brain tends to

not

> connect but disconnect from him and the areas and only tend to

focus

> to the food alone. I to tell him well cant always multi task

> everywhere can only do that in mom role.

> Sondra

------------------------

October 5, 2005

Ok I dont need anymore words to add to my list of things to find out what they

mean....so please stop! LOL What the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a

car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 5, 2005

I really wouldn't know...I'm a life-long vegetarian, I've never been

to In and Out, only driven by! I've only been to McD's a few times,

and only for salads/shakes. Even their fries have meat in them.

eeewwww....

Amnesty

> > what is of in and out fries? never to hear of that script before?

> >

> > Olive oils and other oils used in excess though can cause of

weight

> > gains so one needs to moderate like all things but it is of a

> better

> > oil for th heart. I too am of a person who likes fried foods and

> salty

> > crispy foods or spicey such as italian foods my issues is at some

> > places finding good spicy foods I to like without the added

cheeses

> to

> > the dish such as love olive garden but have to be very firm to

say

> NO

> > DAIRY added to the food but often it can still come back

sprinkled

> > with cheeses LOL/ I to love their salads which does have dairy

but

> I

> > to not have them add any more to it because then it will be too

> much.

> > Their salad often makes me to feel day dreamy but not aggressive.

> the

> > husband often says when we to go out to eat I to just mid way

begin

> to

> > stare out and seem as if completely withdrew mentally from the

> place

> > and begin eating much slower. If really hungry he to says I to be

> to

> > hyper focus to the food alone and not want wany words to come to

me

> > until done to eat LOL and he to say when we go to dates it is of

to

> > share in words and he to gets confused because my brain tends to

> not

> > connect but disconnect from him and the areas and only tend to

> focus

> > to the food alone. I to tell him well cant always multi task

> > everywhere can only do that in mom role.

> > Sondra

>

> ------------------------

>

October 6, 2005

Debi,

You remembered right. Most kids on the gfcf do lose weight at first (are eating

a lot less of

the junk they were before, so most of the food being eaten is absorbed properly

and not

being wasted) and almost seem to " get worse " before they get better. This is

especially

true if done cold turkey. Most kids (or adults for that matter) feel more

lethargic at the

beginning. But, if you go cold turkey, there isn't much to eat until you figure

the whole

thing out. It's importamt to keep in mind while some people see immediate

results, others

also can take up to a year, and most find they are still unknowingly exposing

themselves

to the offending gluten in ways they didn't know. I did this with my kids back

in

2000/2001, and we were like zombies for a long time and I lost nearly 20 pounds

for the

first several months. I will say, we were all far healthier, though. I did not

get my annual

bronchitis that year, my daughter's lack of attention improved drastically, my

son's

hyperactivity decreased, and the therapies they were in at the time were

intensified due to

the changes in their focusing abilites and we saw big improvements during that

time

period. My middle son had his chronic stomachaches and a chronically plugged

nose and

cough that cleared up 100%, and this was done from fall to spring in our house,

and no

one had even a sniffle. I needed medical proof though (the bloodwork wasn't

enough), for

the courts to force my ex to follow this intervention during his visitation with

the children,

so my daughter was tested for celiac by endoscopy (had to put all the gluten

back in for a

month prior to the test to be accurate), tested negative (although being

retested over the

next few weeks again, since it's been 5 years) and we have not been on it since,

since there

was no " medical need " for it, according to the attorneys and my ex denied all

claims of

difference, even when pointed out by teachers, babysitters, family members and

therapists. Maybe someday, when medical proof can be obtained, e can do our

best. In

the meantime, we eat a lot healthier, but not the best we could be.

I never heard the weight loss was because of fecal matter and swollen gut, but

when you

alter the individual biologcal chemistry of any person drastically, especially

quickly, you'll

have a letdown while your body detoxs. Sidney Baker is famous for writing about

detoxifcation and an excellent speaker. Also, a healthier lifestyle usually

means a leaner

body...look at anyone who has had heart surgery and lives on a somewhat

restricted diet

afterwards. My boyfriend had a triple bypass a few years ago and no matter what

he eats

now, he cannot rebuild the body mass (and he was a prior power lifter, and heavy

nto

nutrition and eating " okay " ). Once your body starts eatng right, it will go

through some

" pains along the way first " . I'm not sure about simply adding fats and oils for

weight gain,

but a good nutritionist (try Braun on google.com, not the nurse, but the

woman

who has the nutritional business, and was a DAN! practitioner) should have

training and

knowledge in the specifics of a gfcf diet. The nutritionist I met with (before

discovering

Braun) for an hour at Children's Hospoital in Akron back in 2000 for help

with this,

handed me a Quaker Oats cookbook and highlighted recipes that had no wheat. She

did

not have a clue as to what gluten actually was, just showed me wheat free

recipes, and I

was not in the mood to train her! I needed help! lauren Braun, however, was a

vital source

to me and my children. She helped me to find things for the diet and gave

realistic advice

on hiw to to implement, and at that time, she spoke around the country on gfcf

diets and

implementation, and had offices in Beachwood, Akron and Florida. I believe she

may be in

Florida now, but she does have a website to visit.

Also, gluten is hidden in so many things that people are unaware of (I have

freinds with

chidlren woth celiac in their 20's, and can tell you it can be found in drywall

(paste from

seams), postage stamps, playdoh, nail polish, prescription meds, Chapstick, most

make-

up, toothpastes, even 100% organic raisins (conveyor belts can be dusted with

flour to

keep the raisins from sticking), cross contamination from dipping a knife in a

margarine

tub that was used on regular bread, then applying it to gf bread, you need

separate

toasters, etc. I have found those are the unsuspecting places where parents

have

unknowingly still gotten gluten in their kiddos, then claimed it did not work

for them.

Cross contamination is the worst. Or they find it wasn't the gluten or the

casein afterall,

but some other completely different food or preservative or salicylate. Solid

tsting and

elimination doets need to be attempted and monitored very closely.

and the ANDI website along with celiac sites are the best places for

solid,

documented advice. LIVING WITHOUT magazine is amazing at recipes and where to

find

products, too.

Just my humble opinion.

> I don't know if this is accurate, but as I was reading this last email

> a flash came to me that kids tend to lose weight the first few mos of

> gfcf but then stabilize. If I remember this correctly, the reasoning

> is their guts are getting " cleaned out " from the fecal matter and

> swollen intestines, along with the child literally feeling the

> withdrawl effects. As they begin to feel better, however, the

> appetite/weight tends to pick up.

>

> You could check with the gfcfrecipes board and ask if this is the

> case. used to be on the board, along with lots of others

> well-versed about the diet.

>

> Debi

October 6, 2005

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

OK I SAY WE ALL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEW KNOWLEDGE AND PUT OUT AN AUTISM

DICTIONARY!

SELL IT AND RAISE MONEY FOR THE CAUSE!

AIMEE

DEBI, IM EXPECTING YOUR HELP....A LOT! LOL:)

Tillmann wrote:

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

OK I SAY WE ALL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEW KNOWLEDGE AND PUT OUT AN AUTISM

DICTIONARY!

SELL IT AND RAISE MONEY FOR THE CAUSE!

AIMEE

DEBI, IM EXPECTING YOUR HELP....A LOT! LOL:)

Tillmann wrote:

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

OK I SAY WE ALL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEW KNOWLEDGE AND PUT OUT AN AUTISM

DICTIONARY!

SELL IT AND RAISE MONEY FOR THE CAUSE!

AIMEE

DEBI, IM EXPECTING YOUR HELP....A LOT! LOL:)

Tillmann wrote:

I'm with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a different language!

aimee henkel wrote:Ok I dont need anymore words to add

to my list of things to find out what they mean....so please stop! LOL What

the heck is overmethylator? It sounds like a car part!

Aimee

Debi wrote:

Someone pls correct me if wrong, but I *think* olive oil might cause

problems *if* they child is an overmethylator. Sunflower oil is also

good and relatively inexpensive. Safflower is good too, but more

expensive.

Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

OK U R THE GURU...SO DO YOU KNOW IF IN & OUT FRIES ARE OK?

AIMEE

CAN U HELP ME WITH THESE?

SAFE...

LAUNDRY DET.

BATH SOAP

SHAMPOO

TOOTHPASTE

SANDWICH MEAT

CLEANING SUPPLIES (R THESE SAFE ALREADY?)

BUTTER (OTHER THAN GHEE, NO SOY PREFERABLY!)

TIA

AIMEE

theautismguru wrote:

Debi,

You remembered right. Most kids on the gfcf do lose weight at first (are eating

a lot less of

the junk they were before, so most of the food being eaten is absorbed properly

and not

being wasted) and almost seem to " get worse " before they get better. This is

especially

true if done cold turkey. Most kids (or adults for that matter) feel more

lethargic at the

beginning. But, if you go cold turkey, there isn't much to eat until you figure

the whole

thing out. It's importamt to keep in mind while some people see immediate

results, others

also can take up to a year, and most find they are still unknowingly exposing

themselves

to the offending gluten in ways they didn't know. I did this with my kids back

in

2000/2001, and we were like zombies for a long time and I lost nearly 20 pounds

for the

first several months. I will say, we were all far healthier, though. I did not

get my annual

bronchitis that year, my daughter's lack of attention improved drastically, my

son's

hyperactivity decreased, and the therapies they were in at the time were

intensified due to

the changes in their focusing abilites and we saw big improvements during that

time

period. My middle son had his chronic stomachaches and a chronically plugged

nose and

cough that cleared up 100%, and this was done from fall to spring in our house,

and no

one had even a sniffle. I needed medical proof though (the bloodwork wasn't

enough), for

the courts to force my ex to follow this intervention during his visitation with

the children,

so my daughter was tested for celiac by endoscopy (had to put all the gluten

back in for a

month prior to the test to be accurate), tested negative (although being

retested over the

next few weeks again, since it's been 5 years) and we have not been on it since,

since there

was no " medical need " for it, according to the attorneys and my ex denied all

claims of

difference, even when pointed out by teachers, babysitters, family members and

therapists. Maybe someday, when medical proof can be obtained, e can do our

best. In

the meantime, we eat a lot healthier, but not the best we could be.

I never heard the weight loss was because of fecal matter and swollen gut, but

when you

alter the individual biologcal chemistry of any person drastically, especially

quickly, you'll

have a letdown while your body detoxs. Sidney Baker is famous for writing about

detoxifcation and an excellent speaker. Also, a healthier lifestyle usually

means a leaner

body...look at anyone who has had heart surgery and lives on a somewhat

restricted diet

afterwards. My boyfriend had a triple bypass a few years ago and no matter what

he eats

now, he cannot rebuild the body mass (and he was a prior power lifter, and heavy

nto

nutrition and eating " okay " ). Once your body starts eatng right, it will go

through some

" pains along the way first " . I'm not sure about simply adding fats and oils for

weight gain,

but a good nutritionist (try Braun on google.com, not the nurse, but the

woman

who has the nutritional business, and was a DAN! practitioner) should have

training and

knowledge in the specifics of a gfcf diet. The nutritionist I met with (before

discovering

Braun) for an hour at Children's Hospoital in Akron back in 2000 for help

with this,

handed me a Quaker Oats cookbook and highlighted recipes that had no wheat. She

did

not have a clue as to what gluten actually was, just showed me wheat free

recipes, and I

was not in the mood to train her! I needed help! lauren Braun, however, was a

vital source

to me and my children. She helped me to find things for the diet and gave

realistic advice

on hiw to to implement, and at that time, she spoke around the country on gfcf

diets and

implementation, and had offices in Beachwood, Akron and Florida. I believe she

may be in

Florida now, but she does have a website to visit.

Also, gluten is hidden in so many things that people are unaware of (I have

freinds with

chidlren woth celiac in their 20's, and can tell you it can be found in drywall

(paste from

seams), postage stamps, playdoh, nail polish, prescription meds, Chapstick, most

make-

up, toothpastes, even 100% organic raisins (conveyor belts can be dusted with

flour to

keep the raisins from sticking), cross contamination from dipping a knife in a

margarine

tub that was used on regular bread, then applying it to gf bread, you need

separate

toasters, etc. I have found those are the unsuspecting places where parents

have

unknowingly still gotten gluten in their kiddos, then claimed it did not work

for them.

Cross contamination is the worst. Or they find it wasn't the gluten or the

casein afterall,

but some other completely different food or preservative or salicylate. Solid

tsting and

elimination doets need to be attempted and monitored very closely.

and the ANDI website along with celiac sites are the best places for

solid,

documented advice. LIVING WITHOUT magazine is amazing at recipes and where to

find

products, too.

Just my humble opinion.

> I don't know if this is accurate, but as I was reading this last email

> a flash came to me that kids tend to lose weight the first few mos of

> gfcf but then stabilize. If I remember this correctly, the reasoning

> is their guts are getting " cleaned out " from the fecal matter and

> swollen intestines, along with the child literally feeling the

> withdrawl effects. As they begin to feel better, however, the

> appetite/weight tends to pick up.

>

> You could check with the gfcfrecipes board and ask if this is the

> case. used to be on the board, along with lots of others

> well-versed about the diet.

>

> Debi

------------------------

October 6, 2005

OK SO I HAVE A BUNCH OF VEGETARIAN FRIENDS WHO WOULD DIE WITHOUT IN & OUT

TOO....ORDER THEIR " WISH BURGER " ASK FOR GRILLED ONIONS IF YOU LIKE THEM...I EAT

MEAT, SO I HAVENT HAD ONE, BUT I HEAR THEY ARE TO DIE FOR. MY HUBBY CANT EAT ANY

BREAD OR DAIRY SO WE GET HIM A SPECIAL BURGER FROM THEIR TOO DRY WITH NO BUN,

(ITS THE " PROTIEN STYLE) i DONT THINK THEIR FRIES HAVE MEAT...THATS JUST

WRONG!!!

AIMEE

Amnesty wrote:

I really wouldn't know...I'm a life-long vegetarian, I've never been

to In and Out, only driven by! I've only been to McD's a few times,

and only for salads/shakes. Even their fries have meat in them.

eeewwww....

Amnesty

> > what is of in and out fries? never to hear of that script before?

> >

> > Olive oils and other oils used in excess though can cause of

weight

> > gains so one needs to moderate like all things but it is of a

> better

> > oil for th heart. I too am of a person who likes fried foods and

> salty

> > crispy foods or spicey such as italian foods my issues is at some

> > places finding good spicy foods I to like without the added

cheeses

> to

> > the dish such as love olive garden but have to be very firm to

say

> NO

> > DAIRY added to the food but often it can still come back

sprinkled

> > with cheeses LOL/ I to love their salads which does have dairy

but

> I

> > to not have them add any more to it because then it will be too

> much.

> > Their salad often makes me to feel day dreamy but not aggressive.

> the

> > husband often says when we to go out to eat I to just mid way

begin

> to

> > stare out and seem as if completely withdrew mentally from the

> place

> > and begin eating much slower. If really hungry he to says I to be

> to

> > hyper focus to the food alone and not want wany words to come to

me

> > until done to eat LOL and he to say when we go to dates it is of

to

> > share in words and he to gets confused because my brain tends to

> not

> > connect but disconnect from him and the areas and only tend to

> focus

> > to the food alone. I to tell him well cant always multi task

> > everywhere can only do that in mom role.

> > Sondra

>

> ------------------------

>

October 6, 2005

OK SO I HAVE A BUNCH OF VEGETARIAN FRIENDS WHO WOULD DIE WITHOUT IN & OUT

TOO....ORDER THEIR " WISH BURGER " ASK FOR GRILLED ONIONS IF YOU LIKE THEM...I EAT

MEAT, SO I HAVENT HAD ONE, BUT I HEAR THEY ARE TO DIE FOR. MY HUBBY CANT EAT ANY

BREAD OR DAIRY SO WE GET HIM A SPECIAL BURGER FROM THEIR TOO DRY WITH NO BUN,

(ITS THE " PROTIEN STYLE) i DONT THINK THEIR FRIES HAVE MEAT...THATS JUST

WRONG!!!

AIMEE

Amnesty wrote:

I really wouldn't know...I'm a life-long vegetarian, I've never been

to In and Out, only driven by! I've only been to McD's a few times,

and only for salads/shakes. Even their fries have meat in them.

eeewwww....

Amnesty

> > what is of in and out fries? never to hear of that script before?

> >

> > Olive oils and other oils used in excess though can cause of

weight

> > gains so one needs to moderate like all things but it is of a

> better

> > oil for th heart. I too am of a person who likes fried foods and

> salty

> > crispy foods or spicey such as italian foods my issues is at some

> > places finding good spicy foods I to like without the added

cheeses

> to

> > the dish such as love olive garden but have to be very firm to

say

> NO

> > DAIRY added to the food but often it can still come back

sprinkled

> > with cheeses LOL/ I to love their salads which does have dairy

but

> I

> > to not have them add any more to it because then it will be too

> much.

> > Their salad often makes me to feel day dreamy but not aggressive.

> the

> > husband often says when we to go out to eat I to just mid way

begin

> to

> > stare out and seem as if completely withdrew mentally from the

> place

> > and begin eating much slower. If really hungry he to says I to be

> to

> > hyper focus to the food alone and not want wany words to come to

me

> > until done to eat LOL and he to say when we go to dates it is of

to

> > share in words and he to gets confused because my brain tends to

> not

> > connect but disconnect from him and the areas and only tend to

> focus

> > to the food alone. I to tell him well cant always multi task

> > everywhere can only do that in mom role.

> > Sondra

>

> ------------------------

>

October 6, 2005

OK SO I HAVE A BUNCH OF VEGETARIAN FRIENDS WHO WOULD DIE WITHOUT IN & OUT

TOO....ORDER THEIR " WISH BURGER " ASK FOR GRILLED ONIONS IF YOU LIKE THEM...I EAT

MEAT, SO I HAVENT HAD ONE, BUT I HEAR THEY ARE TO DIE FOR. MY HUBBY CANT EAT ANY

BREAD OR DAIRY SO WE GET HIM A SPECIAL BURGER FROM THEIR TOO DRY WITH NO BUN,

(ITS THE " PROTIEN STYLE) i DONT THINK THEIR FRIES HAVE MEAT...THATS JUST

WRONG!!!

AIMEE

Amnesty wrote:

I really wouldn't know...I'm a life-long vegetarian, I've never been

to In and Out, only driven by! I've only been to McD's a few times,

and only for salads/shakes. Even their fries have meat in them.

eeewwww....

Amnesty

> > what is of in and out fries? never to hear of that script before?

> >

> > Olive oils and other oils used in excess though can cause of

weight

> > gains so one needs to moderate like all things but it is of a

> better

> > oil for th heart. I too am of a person who likes fried foods and

> salty

> > crispy foods or spicey such as italian foods my issues is at some

> > places finding good spicy foods I to like without the added

cheeses

> to

> > the dish such as love olive garden but have to be very firm to

say

> NO

> > DAIRY added to the food but often it can still come back

sprinkled

> > with cheeses LOL/ I to love their salads which does have dairy

but

> I

> > to not have them add any more to it because then it will be too

> much.

> > Their salad often makes me to feel day dreamy but not aggressive.

> the

> > husband often says when we to go out to eat I to just mid way

begin

> to

> > stare out and seem as if completely withdrew mentally from the

> place

> > and begin eating much slower. If really hungry he to says I to be

> to

> > hyper focus to the food alone and not want wany words to come to

me

> > until done to eat LOL and he to say when we go to dates it is of

to

> > share in words and he to gets confused because my brain tends to

> not

> > connect but disconnect from him and the areas and only tend to

> focus

> > to the food alone. I to tell him well cant always multi task

> > everywhere can only do that in mom role.

> > Sondra

>

> ------------------------