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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 I work on the habilitation needs of autistic kids who are high functioning enough to be able to play X-box, Nintendo DS, Gameboy and the like. What "mental" games would be ideal for kids 6 years to 12 years old range? They are so used to racing speed games and 'combat" games and i am wondering if "Wild Divine' and "Thoughtstream" (both of which i have never tried) would be enough to get them interested enough to immerself themselves with training. Also can Bio-explorer work with these two games? I just thought "thought-controlled' games would be of immense help to their lack of focus and attention.Please comment. Thanks. Van Deusen wrote: Our goal is to finish the video workshops on Placing Electrodes and the Basics of Brain Training in June and July. That will complete the package for introduction to the basic information, terminology and skills. Level 2, the information regarding brain activation patterns and how they relate to symptoms people are likely to experience, is already available in recorded form. I'll probably do another BioExplorer workshop and perhaps another Level 3--Managing the Training Process--this summer online as we continue to work toward getting everything into video format. The cost of travel--not to mention the great pleasure involved in it these days--has changed the whole equation of doing the traveling workshop tours for me and for participants. More importantly, the feedback from those who have participated in the online workshop and have worked with the first Skills Video workshop has strongly reinforced the benefits of that format. In the onsite workshops, you get 1-5 days straight of 8-9 hours of material...one time. While I have had some people in workshops who I sincerely believe got every single word I said, most find that it is overwhelming. The online workshop allow participants to listen at home for two hours at a time--and then receive a recorded version of what they heard, if they want to review it. The videos are downloaded directly onto your computer and can be watched in whatever chunks work for the lifestyle or attention span of the user. I'll grant that I miss the workshop format, being able to tell jokes and act out the brain states and meet the participants, but after nearly 4 years being on the road half my days, I don't miss the travel at all. For those who want to learn about brain training--if you want to learn from me--I strongly encourage you to try out one of the online or video workshops and see if it isn't a better alternative all the way around. Pete On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Carl Brahms <carl.brahmsgmail> wrote: I too have gone to Pete's level two class, and learning from him is incredible. I wish he was giving workshops this summer in the US. My wife is looking for an in-person training, and apparently doesn't like my disorganized and tangential teaching style ;-) .-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 You don't need video feedback in order to train someone if that is your thoughts. I have worked on hundreds of people with excellent success and I don't use visualfeedback at all. I do however depending on what they are training for (what protocol, etc.) will give them certain activities to do. I have little TV trays next to each station in my office that I put either in front of them or next to them when they are training. I have manual games that work on different aspects of the brain. Examples would be - Traffic Jam or a pentagram puzzle or handheld brain teasers.I also invested in a DS lite because kids love the idea that that is what theya re using because that is what they are use to. The only differeenc is that all of my games are for the brain!!! Examples include - Big Brain Academy, Brain Age, Brain Age2, Beta Waves, Gamma Waves, Word Jong, My Word Coach, etc. Again this is depending on what part of the brain we are working on and what protocol we are usig. I also have developmental games for fine motor control with small to medium size pieces. I will especially use this with the younger kids that have poor control iin this area. And of course Leggo's are always a hit. Remember this is a subconscious act. I have a case study that I did on a 5 yo female with severe autism that can prove this as she wasn't even aware of her name let alone the world around her and NFB has been a godsend to her and her mother. Hope this helps as I have been blabbering on and on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 You don't need video feedback in order to train someone if that is your thoughts. I have worked on hundreds of people with excellent success and I don't use visualfeedback at all. I do however depending on what they are training for (what protocol, etc.) will give them certain activities to do. I have little TV trays next to each station in my office that I put either in front of them or next to them when they are training. I have manual games that work on different aspects of the brain. Examples would be - Traffic Jam or a pentagram puzzle or handheld brain teasers.I also invested in a DS lite because kids love the idea that that is what theya re using because that is what they are use to. The only differeenc is that all of my games are for the brain!!! Examples include - Big Brain Academy, Brain Age, Brain Age2, Beta Waves, Gamma Waves, Word Jong, My Word Coach, etc. Again this is depending on what part of the brain we are working on and what protocol we are usig. I also have developmental games for fine motor control with small to medium size pieces. I will especially use this with the younger kids that have poor control iin this area. And of course Leggo's are always a hit. Remember this is a subconscious act. I have a case study that I did on a 5 yo female with severe autism that can prove this as she wasn't even aware of her name let alone the world around her and NFB has been a godsend to her and her mother. Hope this helps as I have been blabbering on and on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Hi , The Thoughtstream GSR system has it's own software (mindgames) that provides some games, progressively more challenging. and gives you a statistical output (POINTS)!!! to motivate a kid to do better every time. My gripe with the Thoughtstream is the palm sensor that has so much surface area that it becomes necessary to keep the hand completely still to hold a consistant signal. In other words, the signal becomes very easily effected by artifact (false data). Though it's graphics aren't so modern, they are better based upon science that we in psychophysiology know and respect. The wild divine has better graphics and the finger sensor is nice, but it doesn't have the science to support it (based on "the yogic breath"), nor the points to tell you how well you are doing overall over time. However. Perhaps the best match is: Wilddivine hardware with Somatic Visions software. That oughta give you a nice beginning info to offer your kid clients in their language. More on EEG and games can be found on this list. Unfortunately, very little can be found on The Market. Working on it, need advice I work on the habilitation needs of autistic kids who are high functioning enough to be able to play X-box, Nintendo DS, Gameboy and the like. What "mental" games would be ideal for kids 6 years to 12 years old range? They are so used to racing speed games and 'combat" games and i am wondering if "Wild Divine' and "Thoughtstream" (both of which i have never tried) would be enough to get them interested enough to immerself themselves with training. Also can Bio-explorer work with these two games? I just thought "thought-controlled' games would be of immense help to their lack of focus and attention.Please comment. Thanks. Van Deusen <pvdtlcgmail> wrote: Our goal is to finish the video workshops on Placing Electrodes and the Basics of Brain Training in June and July. That will complete the package for introduction to the basic information, terminology and skills. Level 2, the information regarding brain activation patterns and how they relate to symptoms people are likely to experience, is already available in recorded form. I'll probably do another BioExplorer workshop and perhaps another Level 3--Managing the Training Process--this summer online as we continue to work toward getting everything into video format. The cost of travel--not to mention the great pleasure involved in it these days--has changed the whole equation of doing the traveling workshop tours for me and for participants. More importantly, the feedback from those who have participated in the online workshop and have worked with the first Skills Video workshop has strongly reinforced the benefits of that format. In the onsite workshops, you get 1-5 days straight of 8-9 hours of material...one time. While I have had some people in workshops who I sincerely believe got every single word I said, most find that it is overwhelming. The online workshop allow participants to listen at home for two hours at a time--and then receive a recorded version of what they heard, if they want to review it. The videos are downloaded directly onto your computer and can be watched in whatever chunks work for the lifestyle or attention span of the user. I'll grant that I miss the workshop format, being able to tell jokes and act out the brain states and meet the participants, but after nearly 4 years being on the road half my days, I don't miss the travel at all. For those who want to learn about brain training--if you want to learn from me--I strongly encourage you to try out one of the online or video workshops and see if it isn't a better alternative all the way around. Pete On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Carl Brahms <carl.brahmsgmail> wrote: I too have gone to Pete's level two class, and learning from him is incredible. I wish he was giving workshops this summer in the US. My wife is looking for an in-person training, and apparently doesn't like my disorganized and tangential teaching style ;-) ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Hi , The Thoughtstream GSR system has it's own software (mindgames) that provides some games, progressively more challenging. and gives you a statistical output (POINTS)!!! to motivate a kid to do better every time. My gripe with the Thoughtstream is the palm sensor that has so much surface area that it becomes necessary to keep the hand completely still to hold a consistant signal. In other words, the signal becomes very easily effected by artifact (false data). Though it's graphics aren't so modern, they are better based upon science that we in psychophysiology know and respect. The wild divine has better graphics and the finger sensor is nice, but it doesn't have the science to support it (based on "the yogic breath"), nor the points to tell you how well you are doing overall over time. However. Perhaps the best match is: Wilddivine hardware with Somatic Visions software. That oughta give you a nice beginning info to offer your kid clients in their language. More on EEG and games can be found on this list. Unfortunately, very little can be found on The Market. Working on it, need advice I work on the habilitation needs of autistic kids who are high functioning enough to be able to play X-box, Nintendo DS, Gameboy and the like. What "mental" games would be ideal for kids 6 years to 12 years old range? They are so used to racing speed games and 'combat" games and i am wondering if "Wild Divine' and "Thoughtstream" (both of which i have never tried) would be enough to get them interested enough to immerself themselves with training. Also can Bio-explorer work with these two games? I just thought "thought-controlled' games would be of immense help to their lack of focus and attention.Please comment. Thanks. Van Deusen <pvdtlcgmail> wrote: Our goal is to finish the video workshops on Placing Electrodes and the Basics of Brain Training in June and July. That will complete the package for introduction to the basic information, terminology and skills. Level 2, the information regarding brain activation patterns and how they relate to symptoms people are likely to experience, is already available in recorded form. I'll probably do another BioExplorer workshop and perhaps another Level 3--Managing the Training Process--this summer online as we continue to work toward getting everything into video format. The cost of travel--not to mention the great pleasure involved in it these days--has changed the whole equation of doing the traveling workshop tours for me and for participants. More importantly, the feedback from those who have participated in the online workshop and have worked with the first Skills Video workshop has strongly reinforced the benefits of that format. In the onsite workshops, you get 1-5 days straight of 8-9 hours of material...one time. While I have had some people in workshops who I sincerely believe got every single word I said, most find that it is overwhelming. The online workshop allow participants to listen at home for two hours at a time--and then receive a recorded version of what they heard, if they want to review it. The videos are downloaded directly onto your computer and can be watched in whatever chunks work for the lifestyle or attention span of the user. I'll grant that I miss the workshop format, being able to tell jokes and act out the brain states and meet the participants, but after nearly 4 years being on the road half my days, I don't miss the travel at all. For those who want to learn about brain training--if you want to learn from me--I strongly encourage you to try out one of the online or video workshops and see if it isn't a better alternative all the way around. Pete On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Carl Brahms <carl.brahmsgmail> wrote: I too have gone to Pete's level two class, and learning from him is incredible. I wish he was giving workshops this summer in the US. My wife is looking for an in-person training, and apparently doesn't like my disorganized and tangential teaching style ;-) ..-- Van Deusenpvdtlcgmailhttp://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Attention to and awareness of feedback are two different things all together. Â My belief is that awareness of the feedback is sufficient. Â I have had several very oppositional you clients who have refused to look at or listen to the feedback, and still improved. Â I think it is because although the were not "listening" they were still hearing.I do a few sessions with just feedback before I do the feedback with games or other tasks so they are familiar with the procedure. Â The first few minutes of each session are with feedback only. Â I spend the whole session with the client and as a result I can see how they are doing. Â If they begin to falter in the training I will have them attend directly to the feedback again for a short time. georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com I thought that, while the client is not "trying" to achieve a goalduring neurofeedback, s/he is supposed to be paying attention. So I'mwondering what the effects are of splitting that attention. Or do younot concern yourself at all with attention to the neurofeedbackstimuli? thanksliz (post about using handheld devices etc. for games and tasks while training with just audio feedback)------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 , Thanks! Is BioEra supporting any GSR units? Thanks, Re: Re:need advice Attention to and awareness of feedback are two different things all together. My belief is that awareness of the feedback is sufficient. I have had several very oppositional you clients who have refused to look at or listen to the feedback, and still improved. I think it is because although the were not "listening" they were still hearing. I do a few sessions with just feedback before I do the feedback with games or other tasks so they are familiar with the procedure. The first few minutes of each session are with feedback only. I spend the whole session with the client and as a result I can see how they are doing. If they begin to falter in the training I will have them attend directly to the feedback again for a short time. georgemartinnorthstarneurofeedback www.northstarneurofeedback.com I thought that, while the client is not "trying" to achieve a goal during neurofeedback, s/he is supposed to be paying attention. So I'm wondering what the effects are of splitting that attention. Or do you not concern yourself at all with attention to the neurofeedback stimuli? thanks liz (post about using handheld devices etc. for games and tasks while training with just audio feedback) ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 , Thanks! Is BioEra supporting any GSR units? Thanks, Re: Re:need advice Attention to and awareness of feedback are two different things all together. My belief is that awareness of the feedback is sufficient. I have had several very oppositional you clients who have refused to look at or listen to the feedback, and still improved. I think it is because although the were not "listening" they were still hearing. I do a few sessions with just feedback before I do the feedback with games or other tasks so they are familiar with the procedure. The first few minutes of each session are with feedback only. I spend the whole session with the client and as a result I can see how they are doing. If they begin to falter in the training I will have them attend directly to the feedback again for a short time. georgemartinnorthstarneurofeedback www.northstarneurofeedback.com I thought that, while the client is not "trying" to achieve a goal during neurofeedback, s/he is supposed to be paying attention. So I'm wondering what the effects are of splitting that attention. Or do you not concern yourself at all with attention to the neurofeedback stimuli? thanks liz (post about using handheld devices etc. for games and tasks while training with just audio feedback) ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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