Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky alternative?

[Guest guest]

My worry with the antibiotics is the perennial problem of reducing the beneficial gut flora which could be why the child in the video regresses slightly between antibiotic treatments.I know this sounds yucky but poo transplants from family members and screened donors have been really successful in eradicating clostridia. I wonder if anyone has got the stomach to try this out under supervision if necessary particularly by those who are able to get to the States or who are there already .I understand there are doctors over there who work with this. If Anita is reading this, there is a clinic in Hamilton which carries this out. See abstract below where I have I have included your

name...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_transplant <<The hypothesis behind fecal bacteriotherapy rests on the concept of bacterial interference, i.e using harmless bacteria to displace pathogenic organisms.>>This sounds on the face of it a more sensible approach (although quite unaesthetic) as it doesn't replace the beneficial bacteria but only the bad, at least not as far as I know. Some abstracts from Pubmed to show it (it even has a term, FMT) has some acceptance.....:-)) I cannot find any other than for clostridia but theoretically FMT could help drive out other bacteria.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22290405http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22271132 (This refers to a Hamilton, Ontario clinic. May be of interest to Anita)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22260856 <<Fecal transplants

have been used successfully in some patients, but randomized studies are needed.>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22183182 <<Fecal microbiota transplantation

(FMT) has been utilized sporadically for over 50 years. In the past few

years, Clostridium difficile infection (CDI) epidemics in the USA and Europe have resulted in the increased use of FMT, given its high efficacy in eradicating CDI and associated symptoms. As more patients request treatment and more clinics incorporate FMT into their treatment repertoire, reports of applications outside of CDI are emerging, paving the way for the use of FMT in several idiopathic conditions.>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22155369 <<Fecal transplantation

through colonoscopy seems to be an effective treatment for recurrent CDI and also for recurrent CDI caused by the virulent C difficile 027 strain.>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21992958 <<The recent positive experiences with bacteriotherapy (fecal microbiome transplant) are also discussed in detail and a positive recommendation is made for use in severe resistant C. difficile diarrhea.>> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:58 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

On a blog I saw, he was quoted as saying he thought a number of bacteria were likely

Eileen

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> Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

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>

> ________________________________

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> To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

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> This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

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[Guest guest]

My worry with the antibiotics is the perennial problem of reducing the beneficial gut flora which could be why the child in the video regresses slightly between antibiotic treatments.I know this sounds yucky but poo transplants from family members and screened donors have been really successful in eradicating clostridia. I wonder if anyone has got the stomach to try this out under supervision if necessary particularly by those who are able to get to the States or who are there already .I understand there are doctors over there who work with this. If Anita is reading this, there is a clinic in Hamilton which carries this out. See abstract below where I have I have included your

name...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_transplant <<The hypothesis behind fecal bacteriotherapy rests on the concept of bacterial interference, i.e using harmless bacteria to displace pathogenic organisms.>>This sounds on the face of it a more sensible approach (although quite unaesthetic) as it doesn't replace the beneficial bacteria but only the bad, at least not as far as I know. Some abstracts from Pubmed to show it (it even has a term, FMT) has some acceptance.....:-)) I cannot find any other than for clostridia but theoretically FMT could help drive out other bacteria.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22290405http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22271132 (This refers to a Hamilton, Ontario clinic. May be of interest to Anita)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22260856 <<Fecal transplants

have been used successfully in some patients, but randomized studies are needed.>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22183182 <<Fecal microbiota transplantation

(FMT) has been utilized sporadically for over 50 years. In the past few

years, Clostridium difficile infection (CDI) epidemics in the USA and Europe have resulted in the increased use of FMT, given its high efficacy in eradicating CDI and associated symptoms. As more patients request treatment and more clinics incorporate FMT into their treatment repertoire, reports of applications outside of CDI are emerging, paving the way for the use of FMT in several idiopathic conditions.>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22155369 <<Fecal transplantation

through colonoscopy seems to be an effective treatment for recurrent CDI and also for recurrent CDI caused by the virulent C difficile 027 strain.>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21992958 <<The recent positive experiences with bacteriotherapy (fecal microbiome transplant) are also discussed in detail and a positive recommendation is made for use in severe resistant C. difficile diarrhea.>> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:58 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

On a blog I saw, he was quoted as saying he thought a number of bacteria were likely

Eileen

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> Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

>

>

> Â

> This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

>

[Guest guest]

But Natasha McBride in her book says that the mother's own gut flora

may be out of balance and it is this that leads to the child's gut flora (first

acquired during birth from the mother) being not good. How can anyone be sure

that the mother (or father) doesn't have clostridia in the gut in the first

place?

Margaret

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> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> >  

> > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But Natasha McBride in her book says that the mother's own gut flora

may be out of balance and it is this that leads to the child's gut flora (first

acquired during birth from the mother) being not good. How can anyone be sure

that the mother (or father) doesn't have clostridia in the gut in the first

place?

Margaret

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> >  

> > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But Natasha McBride in her book says that the mother's own gut flora

may be out of balance and it is this that leads to the child's gut flora (first

acquired during birth from the mother) being not good. How can anyone be sure

that the mother (or father) doesn't have clostridia in the gut in the first

place?

Margaret

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> >  

> > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that the bacteria which a baby gets in its gut during the

first few months of life are those that its developing immune system comes to

recognise as 'self', so no matter how many good bacteria you put in afterwards

they do not stay but actually get killed off by the baby/child/adult's immune

system. This has certainly been our experience.

Patience

> > >

> > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that the bacteria which a baby gets in its gut during the

first few months of life are those that its developing immune system comes to

recognise as 'self', so no matter how many good bacteria you put in afterwards

they do not stay but actually get killed off by the baby/child/adult's immune

system. This has certainly been our experience.

Patience

> > >

> > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that the bacteria which a baby gets in its gut during the

first few months of life are those that its developing immune system comes to

recognise as 'self', so no matter how many good bacteria you put in afterwards

they do not stay but actually get killed off by the baby/child/adult's immune

system. This has certainly been our experience.

Patience

> > >

> > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret, I'm sure -McBride is quite right about that. One of the abstracts does talk though about screened donors. Maybe the parents, mother or father could be screened or screened donor volunteers unconnected to the family I think the screening is vitally important but it can only rule out known pathogens? How ever the unaesthetic aspect may be viewed, I think though this area is worth exploring....It is regarded as an emerging therapy.The thought has just occured to me that if the therapy depends on a wallop (all in one go) of beneficial bacteria driving out bad, one could try intensively smaller amounts of oral probiotics (thinking it would be quite expensive otherwise) on a far more frequent

dosing, ie every few hours, maybe even hourly. I have tried more frequent, hourly with a cold and it really worked. Cold gone by next day. Two months ago I had no probiotics on hand and got a whopper of a cold. Has anyone tried, more frequent dosing even hourly dosing but in small amounts?? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012,

13:30 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky alternative?

But Natasha McBride in her book says that the mother's own gut flora may be out of balance and it is this that leads to the child's gut flora (first acquired during birth from the mother) being not good. How can anyone be sure that the mother (or father) doesn't have clostridia in the gut in the first place?

Margaret

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret, I'm sure -McBride is quite right about that. One of the abstracts does talk though about screened donors. Maybe the parents, mother or father could be screened or screened donor volunteers unconnected to the family I think the screening is vitally important but it can only rule out known pathogens? How ever the unaesthetic aspect may be viewed, I think though this area is worth exploring....It is regarded as an emerging therapy.The thought has just occured to me that if the therapy depends on a wallop (all in one go) of beneficial bacteria driving out bad, one could try intensively smaller amounts of oral probiotics (thinking it would be quite expensive otherwise) on a far more frequent

dosing, ie every few hours, maybe even hourly. I have tried more frequent, hourly with a cold and it really worked. Cold gone by next day. Two months ago I had no probiotics on hand and got a whopper of a cold. Has anyone tried, more frequent dosing even hourly dosing but in small amounts?? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012,

13:30 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky alternative?

But Natasha McBride in her book says that the mother's own gut flora may be out of balance and it is this that leads to the child's gut flora (first acquired during birth from the mother) being not good. How can anyone be sure that the mother (or father) doesn't have clostridia in the gut in the first place?

Margaret

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, that might not be quite clear. What I menat is that you can top up what

gets established in the infant gut throughout life, but to get different ones

accepted and established is very difficult.

Patience

> > > >

> > > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > > > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, that might not be quite clear. What I menat is that you can top up what

gets established in the infant gut throughout life, but to get different ones

accepted and established is very difficult.

Patience

> > > >

> > > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > > > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I did a big search on probiotics for an assignment and didn't turn up anything like that. But that may just mean only that it wasn't exhaustive enough:-)) (Did find loads of good stuff though!)However having said that, a close friend who is a zoological immunologist did tell me that the immune system will set up a reaction to anything that it does not recognise as being part of its own body. He was a university lecturer and said this was a fundamental principle of immunology. Maybe it doesn't apply though all across the board. It's an interesting thought though. I think the research into gut bacteria and its role in immunology is still in its infancy and there's still a lot to discover. I'd keep trying though with the probiotics. Hope in me always springs

eternal:-)) I know though that the good bacteria do not seem to adhere where there is lack of mucosa and where there is inflammation so that could explain some of the top-up failures. Don't know, just a possibility....Jx To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 13:47 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky

alternative?

Sorry, that might not be quite clear. What I menat is that you can top up what gets established in the infant gut throughout life, but to get different ones accepted and established is very difficult.

Patience

> > > >

> > > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > > > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I did a big search on probiotics for an assignment and didn't turn up anything like that. But that may just mean only that it wasn't exhaustive enough:-)) (Did find loads of good stuff though!)However having said that, a close friend who is a zoological immunologist did tell me that the immune system will set up a reaction to anything that it does not recognise as being part of its own body. He was a university lecturer and said this was a fundamental principle of immunology. Maybe it doesn't apply though all across the board. It's an interesting thought though. I think the research into gut bacteria and its role in immunology is still in its infancy and there's still a lot to discover. I'd keep trying though with the probiotics. Hope in me always springs

eternal:-)) I know though that the good bacteria do not seem to adhere where there is lack of mucosa and where there is inflammation so that could explain some of the top-up failures. Don't know, just a possibility....Jx To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 13:47 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky

alternative?

Sorry, that might not be quite clear. What I menat is that you can top up what gets established in the infant gut throughout life, but to get different ones accepted and established is very difficult.

Patience

> > > >

> > > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > > > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I did a big search on probiotics for an assignment and didn't turn up anything like that. But that may just mean only that it wasn't exhaustive enough:-)) (Did find loads of good stuff though!)However having said that, a close friend who is a zoological immunologist did tell me that the immune system will set up a reaction to anything that it does not recognise as being part of its own body. He was a university lecturer and said this was a fundamental principle of immunology. Maybe it doesn't apply though all across the board. It's an interesting thought though. I think the research into gut bacteria and its role in immunology is still in its infancy and there's still a lot to discover. I'd keep trying though with the probiotics. Hope in me always springs

eternal:-)) I know though that the good bacteria do not seem to adhere where there is lack of mucosa and where there is inflammation so that could explain some of the top-up failures. Don't know, just a possibility....Jx To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 13:47 Subject: Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky

alternative?

Sorry, that might not be quite clear. What I menat is that you can top up what gets established in the infant gut throughout life, but to get different ones accepted and established is very difficult.

Patience

> > > >

> > > > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > > > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > > > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this is something that interestes me enormously and in fact one of the reasons I

am taking better care of my health, so that if necessary I could be a donor for

my son. I realize the mother's bacterial levels can contribute to a child's

vulnerability, but when my son was born I was actually in good health for the

most part. I think the key thing is that I wasn't exposed to antibiotics until

I was quite old. My body knows what is self and what isn't. Therefore,

getting back a good bacterial balance should be pretty easy for me, making me a

decent donor.

The recent documentary out of Canada talked about clostridia and autism, and

showed how the antibiotics seemed to be only a very short term solution for lots

of kids, as they couldn't be kept on vanco for very long. When ds was

younger, we did very large doses of Culturelle. Both Culturelle and sacc b

have some research supporting their efficacy in fighting clostridia. His gut

is in much much better shape, but clearly has a way to go still.

The research on this treatment is very good. People may be squeamish, but for

me the risks associated with this are minimal.

Anita

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> >  

> > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was sure someone had posted about faecal transplants in Scotland. I searched

and it was you on 12.12.11!! Is Dr MacConnachie in Glasgow still offering it, do

you know?

BW

Patience

> >

> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a

help.  Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen

was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " neno@ " <neno@>

> > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe "

<Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> >  

> > This was shown on French telly the other day †" probably what Mandi

posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patience, As always you are very vigilant-)) I don't even remember posting that! I am not sure about Dr. MacConnachie. Maybe someone can follow up in Scotland?J To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 18:30 Subject:

Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky alternative?

Hi ,

I was sure someone had posted about faecal transplants in Scotland. I searched and it was you on 12.12.11!! Is Dr MacConnachie in Glasgow still offering it, do you know?

BW

Patience

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> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

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> > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

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> > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

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Patience, As always you are very vigilant-)) I don't even remember posting that! I am not sure about Dr. MacConnachie. Maybe someone can follow up in Scotland?J To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 18:30 Subject:

Re: Treating Autism with Antibiotics/ a possible yucky alternative?

Hi ,

I was sure someone had posted about faecal transplants in Scotland. I searched and it was you on 12.12.11!! Is Dr MacConnachie in Glasgow still offering it, do you know?

BW

Patience

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> > Highly interesting but doesn't this show that the immune system needs a help. Do they know for sure it was LYME and not perhaps an unknown pathogen was also likely?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: "neno@" <neno@>

> > To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >

> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 11:23

> > Subject: Treating Autism with Antibiotics

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > This was shown on French telly the other day â€" probably what Mandi posted re Montagnier speaking up?

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOno_2m_8LY & sns=fb

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