Re: tonsils - reservoirs for chronic herpes viruses / systemic disease

[Guest guest]

just a reminder that HSV-1 and HSV-2 are chronic infections ie for life!

the viruses reside in the ganglia and when the body is weak they come back in

bouts.

A staggering 90% of the population has HSV although it may never manifest

itself.

Even when treated with acyclovir and similar antivirals, eradication of herpes

infection does not happen as the nervous tissue in proximity of the infection

act as a reservoir.

Anybody stating otherwise has not studied and does not know the HSV virus

lifecycle well enough I am afraid.

Antivirals shorten the duration of the active infection but don't kill the virus

entirely ie removing the tonsils for this reason alone is

useless as the virus resides in the nervous ganglia especially

the trigeminal one (runs from the back of the head towards the side of the face

all the way to the nose).

I hope this clarifies the HSV-1 infection and its recurrence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereŠ DS almost at the stage where he

> would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given a very good bribe!)

>

> Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to) to tonsil freezing? Or

> had them removed? Any changes?

>

>

> Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition to Epstein-Bar virus in

> tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain reaction assay.

> HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the herpes virus family

> colonize and establish latent infection in human. Although EBV is a well

> known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute tonsillitis, the role

> and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for establishing infection in

> tonsils are not clear. Š To the best of our knowledge, this is the first

> report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in addition to EBV, and

> HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

>

[Guest guest]

No of course removing the tonsils would never been done for this reason alone (ie removing hsv's), I don't think anyone has mentioned that or has recommended. But if there a possibility of reduction in load that might come as a welcome bonus.I don't think anyone here is talking about eradication of hsv's either, that is quite basic stuffReply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:13:11 -0000To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Subject: Re: tonsils - reservoirs for chronic herpes viruses / systemic disease

just a reminder that HSV-1 and HSV-2 are chronic infections ie for life!

the viruses reside in the ganglia and when the body is weak they come back in bouts.

A staggering 90% of the population has HSV although it may never manifest itself.

Even when treated with acyclovir and similar antivirals, eradication of herpes infection does not happen as the nervous tissue in proximity of the infection act as a reservoir.

Anybody stating otherwise has not studied and does not know the HSV virus lifecycle well enough I am afraid.

Antivirals shorten the duration of the active infection but don't kill the virus entirely ie removing the tonsils for this reason alone is

useless as the virus resides in the nervous ganglia especially

the trigeminal one (runs from the back of the head towards the side of the face all the way to the nose).

I hope this clarifies the HSV-1 infection and its recurrence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Still thinking about tonsil freezing here? DS almost at the stage where he

> would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given a very good bribe!)

>

> Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to) to tonsil freezing? Or

> had them removed? Any changes?

>

>

> Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition to Epstein-Bar virus in

> tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain reaction assay.

> HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the herpes virus family

> colonize and establish latent infection in human. Although EBV is a well

> known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute tonsillitis, the role

> and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for establishing infection in

> tonsils are not clear. ? To the best of our knowledge, this is the first

> report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in addition to EBV, and

> HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do any viruses ever go? had a a viral eye infection about a

year ago and it seems to be coming back. Sorry if this is a silly

question. Do viruses just lie dormant waiting for the immune system

to be under stress or whatever?

just a reminder that HSV-1 and HSV-2 are chronic

infections ie for life!

the viruses reside in the ganglia and when the body is

weak they come back in bouts.

A staggering 90% of the population has HSV although it may

never manifest itself.

Even when treated with acyclovir and similar antivirals,

eradication of herpes infection does not happen as the

nervous tissue in proximity of the infection act as a

reservoir.

Anybody stating otherwise has not studied and does not

know the HSV virus lifecycle well enough I am afraid.

Antivirals shorten the duration of the active infection

but don't kill the virus entirely ie removing the tonsils

for this reason alone is

useless as the virus resides in the nervous ganglia

especially

the trigeminal one (runs from the back of the head towards

the side of the face all the way to the nose).

I hope this clarifies the HSV-1 infection and its

recurrence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereŠ DS almost

at the stage where he

> would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given

a very good bribe!)

>

> Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to)

to tonsil freezing? Or

> had them removed? Any changes?

>

>

> Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition

to Epstein-Bar virus in

> tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain

reaction assay.

> HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the

herpes virus family

> colonize and establish latent infection in human.

Although EBV is a well

> known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute

tonsillitis, the role

> and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for

establishing infection in

> tonsils are not clear. Š To the best of our

knowledge, this is the first

> report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in

addition to EBV, and

> HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and

systemic diseases. ..

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do any viruses ever go? had a a viral eye infection about a

year ago and it seems to be coming back. Sorry if this is a silly

question. Do viruses just lie dormant waiting for the immune system

to be under stress or whatever?

just a reminder that HSV-1 and HSV-2 are chronic

infections ie for life!

the viruses reside in the ganglia and when the body is

weak they come back in bouts.

A staggering 90% of the population has HSV although it may

never manifest itself.

Even when treated with acyclovir and similar antivirals,

eradication of herpes infection does not happen as the

nervous tissue in proximity of the infection act as a

reservoir.

Anybody stating otherwise has not studied and does not

know the HSV virus lifecycle well enough I am afraid.

Antivirals shorten the duration of the active infection

but don't kill the virus entirely ie removing the tonsils

for this reason alone is

useless as the virus resides in the nervous ganglia

especially

the trigeminal one (runs from the back of the head towards

the side of the face all the way to the nose).

I hope this clarifies the HSV-1 infection and its

recurrence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereŠ DS almost

at the stage where he

> would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given

a very good bribe!)

>

> Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to)

to tonsil freezing? Or

> had them removed? Any changes?

>

>

> Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition

to Epstein-Bar virus in

> tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain

reaction assay.

> HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the

herpes virus family

> colonize and establish latent infection in human.

Although EBV is a well

> known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute

tonsillitis, the role

> and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for

establishing infection in

> tonsils are not clear. Š To the best of our

knowledge, this is the first

> report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in

addition to EBV, and

> HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and

systemic diseases. ..

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

>

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found in this message.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do any viruses ever go? had a a viral eye infection about a

year ago and it seems to be coming back. Sorry if this is a silly

question. Do viruses just lie dormant waiting for the immune system

to be under stress or whatever?

just a reminder that HSV-1 and HSV-2 are chronic

infections ie for life!

the viruses reside in the ganglia and when the body is

weak they come back in bouts.

A staggering 90% of the population has HSV although it may

never manifest itself.

Even when treated with acyclovir and similar antivirals,

eradication of herpes infection does not happen as the

nervous tissue in proximity of the infection act as a

reservoir.

Anybody stating otherwise has not studied and does not

know the HSV virus lifecycle well enough I am afraid.

Antivirals shorten the duration of the active infection

but don't kill the virus entirely ie removing the tonsils

for this reason alone is

useless as the virus resides in the nervous ganglia

especially

the trigeminal one (runs from the back of the head towards

the side of the face all the way to the nose).

I hope this clarifies the HSV-1 infection and its

recurrence.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereŠ DS almost

at the stage where he

> would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given

a very good bribe!)

>

> Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to)

to tonsil freezing? Or

> had them removed? Any changes?

>

>

> Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition

to Epstein-Bar virus in

> tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain

reaction assay.

> HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the

herpes virus family

> colonize and establish latent infection in human.

Although EBV is a well

> known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute

tonsillitis, the role

> and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for

establishing infection in

> tonsils are not clear. Š To the best of our

knowledge, this is the first

> report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in

addition to EBV, and

> HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and

systemic diseases. ..

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

>

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will reply but my understanding is they never go. In fact some weaken the

immune system so badly (I learned today) such as CMV, causing such a massive

fight response, that the person becomes vulnerable and there is a cascade and

they will get other viruses. Our test panel shows that

As for the tonsils, there's research I can post (not about viruses) but about

strep, where a tonsillectomy has helped (one case study) but a lot of pandas

kids I know had tonsillectomy/tonsil freeze and it did nothing. Me, I had a

terrible time when younger with strep throat, had my tonsils removed, got much

better.

Eileen x

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> > > Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereS( DS almost at the stage

> > where he

> > > would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given a very good

> > bribe!)

> > >

> > > Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to) to tonsil

> > freezing? Or

> > > had them removed? Any changes?

> > >

> > >

> > > Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition to Epstein-Bar

> > virus in

> > > tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain reaction assay.

> > > HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the herpes virus family

> > > colonize and establish latent infection in human. Although EBV is a well

> > > known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute tonsillitis,

> > the role

> > > and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for establishing infection in

> > > tonsils are not clear. S( To the best of our knowledge, this is the

> > first

> > > report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in addition to

> > EBV, and

> > > HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

> > >

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> > No virus found in this message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There is such a thing as a silly question!

It would depend entirely on the type of virus. Some can be eradicated and same

can't...

As for your little one, did they check the nature of the infection by culturing

a swab?

The first thing that comes to mind with recurrent infections

(bacterial or viral in nature), is to get the GP to do a swab and send

it for a culture. It's the best way to know for sure which

offending pathogen/s (sometimes viral and bacterial infections can happen at the

same time).

AS for the viruses, some we can get rid off naturally in a week or

so(rhinovirus-common cold) and some, like the HSV (and many others) stays with

us for life.

I hope this helps!

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereS( DS almost at the stage

> > where he

> > > would sit still with mouth wide open for 20min (given a very good

> > bribe!)

> > >

> > > Wondering if anyone here has done (or attempted to) to tonsil

> > freezing? Or

> > > had them removed? Any changes?

> > >

> > >

> > > Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in addition to Epstein-Bar

> > virus in

> > > tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase chain reaction assay.

> > > HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the members of the herpes virus family

> > > colonize and establish latent infection in human. Although EBV is a well

> > > known virus most involved in recurrent bouts of acute tonsillitis,

> > the role

> > > and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV for establishing infection in

> > > tonsils are not clear. S( To the best of our knowledge, this is the

> > first

> > > report that tonsils may be the reservoir for HSV-1 in addition to

> > EBV, and

> > > HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > No virus found in this message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank Eileen.

will reply but my understanding is they never go.

In fact some weaken the immune system so badly (I learned

today) such as CMV, causing such a massive fight response,

that the person becomes vulnerable and there is a cascade

and they will get other viruses. Our test panel shows that

As for the tonsils, there's research I can post (not about

viruses) but about strep, where a tonsillectomy has helped

(one case study) but a lot of pandas kids I know had

tonsillectomy/tonsil freeze and it did nothing. Me, I had

a terrible time when younger with strep throat, had my

tonsils removed, got much better.

Eileen x

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereS(

DS almost at the stage

> > where he

> > > would sit still with mouth wide open for

20min (given a very good

> > bribe!)

> > >

> > > Wondering if anyone here has done (or

attempted to) to tonsil

> > freezing? Or

> > > had them removed? Any changes?

> > >

> > >

> > > Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in

addition to Epstein-Bar

> > virus in

> > > tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase

chain reaction assay.

> > > HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the

members of the herpes virus family

> > > colonize and establish latent infection in

human. Although EBV is a well

> > > known virus most involved in recurrent

bouts of acute tonsillitis,

> > the role

> > > and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV

for establishing infection in

> > > tonsils are not clear. S( To the best of

our knowledge, this is the

> > first

> > > report that tonsils may be the reservoir

for HSV-1 in addition to

> > EBV, and

> > > HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent

tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > No virus found in this message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>

> > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4758

- Release Date: 01/21/12

> >

>

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,

Thanks for taking the time to answer. They did take a swab but only

said the antibacterial drops they had prescribed were of no use as

it was not a bacteria....they didn't say which virus. By the time we

went for the results it was clearing up so they took no further

action. I was just surprised to see it return - of course it could

be something else but it is the same eye. The eye is just a little

pink, if it gets any worse I will try and get to the bottom of it.

.

Hi ,

There is such a thing as a silly question!

It would depend entirely on the type of virus. Some can be

eradicated and same can't...

As for your little one, did they check the nature of the

infection by culturing a swab?

The first thing that comes to mind with recurrent

infections

(bacterial or viral in nature), is to get the GP to do a

swab and send

it for a culture. It's the best way to know for sure which

offending pathogen/s (sometimes viral and bacterial

infections can happen at the same time).

AS for the viruses, some we can get rid off naturally in a

week or so(rhinovirus-common cold) and some, like the HSV

(and many others) stays with us for life.

I hope this helps!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereS(

DS almost at the stage

> > where he

> > > would sit still with mouth wide open for

20min (given a very good

> > bribe!)

> > >

> > > Wondering if anyone here has done (or

attempted to) to tonsil

> > freezing? Or

> > > had them removed? Any changes?

> > >

> > >

> > > Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in

addition to Epstein-Bar

> > virus in

> > > tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase

chain reaction assay.

> > > HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the

members of the herpes virus family

> > > colonize and establish latent infection in

human. Although EBV is a well

> > > known virus most involved in recurrent

bouts of acute tonsillitis,

> > the role

> > > and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV

for establishing infection in

> > > tonsils are not clear. S( To the best of

our knowledge, this is the

> > first

> > > report that tonsils may be the reservoir

for HSV-1 in addition to

> > EBV, and

> > > HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent

tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > No virus found in this message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>

> > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4758

- Release Date: 01/21/12

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for taking the time to answer. They did take a swab but only

said the antibacterial drops they had prescribed were of no use as

it was not a bacteria....they didn't say which virus. By the time we

went for the results it was clearing up so they took no further

action. I was just surprised to see it return - of course it could

be something else but it is the same eye. The eye is just a little

pink, if it gets any worse I will try and get to the bottom of it.

.

Hi ,

There is such a thing as a silly question!

It would depend entirely on the type of virus. Some can be

eradicated and same can't...

As for your little one, did they check the nature of the

infection by culturing a swab?

The first thing that comes to mind with recurrent

infections

(bacterial or viral in nature), is to get the GP to do a

swab and send

it for a culture. It's the best way to know for sure which

offending pathogen/s (sometimes viral and bacterial

infections can happen at the same time).

AS for the viruses, some we can get rid off naturally in a

week or so(rhinovirus-common cold) and some, like the HSV

(and many others) stays with us for life.

I hope this helps!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Still thinking about tonsil freezing hereS(

DS almost at the stage

> > where he

> > > would sit still with mouth wide open for

20min (given a very good

> > bribe!)

> > >

> > > Wondering if anyone here has done (or

attempted to) to tonsil

> > freezing? Or

> > > had them removed? Any changes?

> > >

> > >

> > > Detection of herpes simplex virus type 1 in

addition to Epstein-Bar

> > virus in

> > > tonsils using a new multiplex polymerase

chain reaction assay.

> > > HSV-1, HSV-2, CMV, EBV, which are the

members of the herpes virus family

> > > colonize and establish latent infection in

human. Although EBV is a well

> > > known virus most involved in recurrent

bouts of acute tonsillitis,

> > the role

> > > and possibility of HSV-1, HSV-2, and CMV

for establishing infection in

> > > tonsils are not clear. S( To the best of

our knowledge, this is the

> > first

> > > report that tonsils may be the reservoir

for HSV-1 in addition to

> > EBV, and

> > > HSV-1 may have a role in recurrent

tonsillitis and systemic diseases. ..

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448

> > > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17141448>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > No virus found in this message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>

> > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4758

- Release Date: 01/21/12

> >

>

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found in this message.

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