Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalbrain.com/Colleagues/?plugin:dataview:Practitioners:3:status=1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of stingercaps4you Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AM To: braintrainer Subject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalbrain.com/Colleagues/?plugin:dataview:Practitioners:3:status=1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of stingercaps4you Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AM To: braintrainer Subject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalbrain.com/Colleagues/?plugin:dataview:Practitioners:3:status=1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of stingercaps4you Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AM To: braintrainer Subject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG. Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG. Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ann, Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG. Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Mark, thanks a bunch! It gives me hope. Ann Subject: RE: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:42 PM Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalb rain.com/ Colleagues/ ?plugin:dataview :Practitioners: 3:status= 1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:braintraine ryahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of stingercaps4youSent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AMTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Mark, thanks a bunch! It gives me hope. Ann Subject: RE: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:42 PM Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalb rain.com/ Colleagues/ ?plugin:dataview :Practitioners: 3:status= 1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:braintraine ryahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of stingercaps4youSent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AMTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Mark, thanks a bunch! It gives me hope. Ann Subject: RE: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:42 PM Ann, Neurofeedback for RAD is a definite yes. As well as a son with autistic behaviour (Angelman Syndrome) I also have a daughter from Romania, so this is an area of interest for me. Presentation in the brain is very similar to autism and protocols that calm down the right temporal and parietal lobes seem very helpful. The guru in this area is Sebern Fisher and I would recommend contacting her for an article she has written about this. I have a copy, but it is marked “Not for Distribution”, so contact her direct: http://www.optimalb rain.com/ Colleagues/ ?plugin:dataview :Practitioners: 3:status= 1 Regards, Mark From: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:braintraine ryahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of stingercaps4youSent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 6:04 AMTo: braintrainer@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ed, I very much appreciate that nuerofeedback may be helpful.As far as meds. we have been there, done that, so we grasp at hope. Would it be safe to assume that all providers who offer the qEEG do it well? Or are there important things to know before choosing one? Happy Thanksgiving and the best to you ! Ann Subject: Re: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:55 PM Ann,Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG.Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ed, I very much appreciate that nuerofeedback may be helpful.As far as meds. we have been there, done that, so we grasp at hope. Would it be safe to assume that all providers who offer the qEEG do it well? Or are there important things to know before choosing one? Happy Thanksgiving and the best to you ! Ann Subject: Re: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:55 PM Ann,Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG.Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Ed, I very much appreciate that nuerofeedback may be helpful.As far as meds. we have been there, done that, so we grasp at hope. Would it be safe to assume that all providers who offer the qEEG do it well? Or are there important things to know before choosing one? Happy Thanksgiving and the best to you ! Ann Subject: Re: RADTo: braintrainer Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:55 PM Ann,Like Mark posted, I think neurofeedback offers a unique contribution for children with early trauma, neglect, and/or abuse. Their brain development is clearly altered by the neglect and trauma. We have seen many of these children in our clinic and have seen a very large number of them benefit. We use the calming and stabilizing protocols described by Mark and generally find them very useful. However, we also obtain qEEG's and find issues which would be difficult to address without having qEEG confirmation. For instance, a very high percentage of these children have medical abnormalities in thier EEG's including seizure activity. There are often coherence problems that when addressed often result in relatively profound improvements behaviorally, emotionally, and cognitively. So, I think neurofeedback is highly useful with these children (in combination with parent training, sensory integration and sensory/motor training, and other approaches for addressing early trauma). However, I feel the complexities of neurodevelopment encountered in this population are best addressed with information from a qEEG.Best of wishes, Ed Hamlin RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi Ann, As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! =2 0 Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi Ann, As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! =2 0 Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi Ann, As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! =2 0 Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hi Ann,I went to Milwaukee to take my beginner's training course with Pete. It so happened that the reason Pete was training in Milwaukee is that a group of adopted mothers with kids identified with RAD were learning neurofeedback with Pete. As Pete always does, he trained these people to do a TLC assessment and then train as per what showed up in the assessment. I've often wondered what happened with those mothers: did they follow through with their kids, and what were the results? I wonder if Pete knows (Pete?). Essentially Pete says the same for RAD as for everything: Do as assessment, see what you find, and do the training accordingly (it's the same as doing a qEEG except with fewer sites and you can learn to do it yourself). Liz Hi Ann, As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed RAD Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! =2 0 Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Liz,I just heard the earlier today that one of the women who organized the training you attended is now working professionally in a center for autistic children, doing neurofeedback.RAD is more a description of a child's history. Symptom patterns are all different and certainly brain activation patterns are very different (albeit often with certain themes). I absolutely agree that with a multi-layered issue like RAD it makes tremendous sense to know what the brain is already doing before you start trying to change it. Whether one uses a Q or a TLC or some other formal assessment of brain activity, it should give you a solid starting point. Pete Hi Ann,I went to Milwaukee to take my beginner's training course with Pete. It so happened that the reason Pete was training in Milwaukee is that a group of adopted mothers with kids identified with RAD were learning neurofeedback with Pete. As Pete always does, he trained these people to do a TLC assessment and then train as per what showed up in the assessment. I've often wondered what happened with those mothers: did they follow through with their kids, and what were the results? I wonder if Pete knows (Pete?). Essentially Pete says the same for RAD as for everything: Do as assessment, see what you find, and do the training accordingly (it's the same as doing a qEEG except with fewer sites and you can learn to do it yourself). Liz -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Liz,I just heard the earlier today that one of the women who organized the training you attended is now working professionally in a center for autistic children, doing neurofeedback.RAD is more a description of a child's history. Symptom patterns are all different and certainly brain activation patterns are very different (albeit often with certain themes). I absolutely agree that with a multi-layered issue like RAD it makes tremendous sense to know what the brain is already doing before you start trying to change it. Whether one uses a Q or a TLC or some other formal assessment of brain activity, it should give you a solid starting point. Pete Hi Ann,I went to Milwaukee to take my beginner's training course with Pete. It so happened that the reason Pete was training in Milwaukee is that a group of adopted mothers with kids identified with RAD were learning neurofeedback with Pete. As Pete always does, he trained these people to do a TLC assessment and then train as per what showed up in the assessment. I've often wondered what happened with those mothers: did they follow through with their kids, and what were the results? I wonder if Pete knows (Pete?). Essentially Pete says the same for RAD as for everything: Do as assessment, see what you find, and do the training accordingly (it's the same as doing a qEEG except with fewer sites and you can learn to do it yourself). Liz -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Liz,I just heard the earlier today that one of the women who organized the training you attended is now working professionally in a center for autistic children, doing neurofeedback.RAD is more a description of a child's history. Symptom patterns are all different and certainly brain activation patterns are very different (albeit often with certain themes). I absolutely agree that with a multi-layered issue like RAD it makes tremendous sense to know what the brain is already doing before you start trying to change it. Whether one uses a Q or a TLC or some other formal assessment of brain activity, it should give you a solid starting point. Pete Hi Ann,I went to Milwaukee to take my beginner's training course with Pete. It so happened that the reason Pete was training in Milwaukee is that a group of adopted mothers with kids identified with RAD were learning neurofeedback with Pete. As Pete always does, he trained these people to do a TLC assessment and then train as per what showed up in the assessment. I've often wondered what happened with those mothers: did they follow through with their kids, and what were the results? I wonder if Pete knows (Pete?). Essentially Pete says the same for RAD as for everything: Do as assessment, see what you find, and do the training accordingly (it's the same as doing a qEEG except with fewer sites and you can learn to do it yourself). Liz -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hello--- Can someone explain why a QEEG is better than a TLC assessment in training RAD clients? A well known NF professional in my area achieved nothing using a QEEG for a local RAD kid. On the other hand, a TLC assessment on the same kid provided the information needed for remarkable healing through hometraining. It seems to me that the difference might be in the training and not the assessments. Jane braintrainer , EDH9494@... wrote: > > > Hi Ann, > As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed > > > > > > > > RAD > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for > nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if > there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there > anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much > potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get > past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly > appreciated. Thanks. Ann > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hello--- Can someone explain why a QEEG is better than a TLC assessment in training RAD clients? A well known NF professional in my area achieved nothing using a QEEG for a local RAD kid. On the other hand, a TLC assessment on the same kid provided the information needed for remarkable healing through hometraining. It seems to me that the difference might be in the training and not the assessments. Jane braintrainer , EDH9494@... wrote: > > > Hi Ann, > As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed > > > > > > > > RAD > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for > nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if > there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there > anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much > potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get > past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly > appreciated. Thanks. Ann > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hello--- Can someone explain why a QEEG is better than a TLC assessment in training RAD clients? A well known NF professional in my area achieved nothing using a QEEG for a local RAD kid. On the other hand, a TLC assessment on the same kid provided the information needed for remarkable healing through hometraining. It seems to me that the difference might be in the training and not the assessments. Jane braintrainer , EDH9494@... wrote: > > > Hi Ann, > As you probably suspected, there is considerable variability in the quality of interpretations of people doing qEEG's. I always vet people through Jack stone at Q-Metrx if I'm not familiar with the practitioners in a particular area of the country. He's been training people in qEEG and because of the interpretive service he runs is familiar with many people who provide this service. I think it's worth getting a good quality qEEG for the outcome for children like you describe. You are welcome to backchannel me directly to look for someone in your area if you'd like. Best of wishes, Ed > > > > > > > > RAD > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Hi. I have adopted children and have been taking 2 of them for > nuerofeedback treatments. I have a lot of questions and especially if > there are known protocols for reactive attachment disorder. Is there > anyone out there working on this difficult issue? My daughter has much > potential if she can be helped. Has anyone had or seen a rad child get > past severe issues with nuerofeedback? Your reply is greatly > appreciated. Thanks. Ann > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traveling over the river or through the woods this holiday season? Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices More! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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