Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Xylitol! http://www.drellie.com/Xylitol.phpFrom: Janet proctor Reply-To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:51:01 +0000To: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Subject: teeth This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I make a mouthwash from 1tsp sea salt, 1/2 cup xylitol and 1 cup warm water. It clears fungus in the mouth too. I use this as a nasal spray as well and this really helps to clear the sinuses. We swallow the liquid after swishing! I've read that adding Clacium lactate to the mix would help to re-mineralise the teeth, but, I've not tried that. > > Xylitol! > > http://www.drellie.com/Xylitol.php > > > > > Reply-To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:51:01 +0000 > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: teeth > > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am > looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about > the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to > decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve > mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be > available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. > > Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I make a mouthwash from 1tsp sea salt, 1/2 cup xylitol and 1 cup warm water. It clears fungus in the mouth too. I use this as a nasal spray as well and this really helps to clear the sinuses. We swallow the liquid after swishing! I've read that adding Clacium lactate to the mix would help to re-mineralise the teeth, but, I've not tried that. > > Xylitol! > > http://www.drellie.com/Xylitol.php > > > > > Reply-To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:51:01 +0000 > To: " Autism-Biomedical-Europe " > <Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > Subject: teeth > > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am > looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about > the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to > decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve > mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be > available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. > > Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Thanks for your replies everyone - that's a big help and i'll look into those ideas more. Have been looking at the files section of the vit k yahoo group (thanks Sara) and my interpretation is that vit k isn't toxic because it doesn't accumulate in the body unlike the other fat soluble vits., but am still worried at what level clotting problems may occur - or indeed if they would occur? Had always understood vit k to do with helping blood clot. I see vit k protocol is done according to weight of child. - would you mind posting the link about the tumeric please if you can put your finger on it? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: moppett1@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:49:25 +0000Subject: Re: Re: teeth Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Thanks for your replies everyone - that's a big help and i'll look into those ideas more. Have been looking at the files section of the vit k yahoo group (thanks Sara) and my interpretation is that vit k isn't toxic because it doesn't accumulate in the body unlike the other fat soluble vits., but am still worried at what level clotting problems may occur - or indeed if they would occur? Had always understood vit k to do with helping blood clot. I see vit k protocol is done according to weight of child. - would you mind posting the link about the tumeric please if you can put your finger on it? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: moppett1@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:49:25 +0000Subject: Re: Re: teeth Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I posted the following to a friend recently about this (below). I've been trying to improve my son's teeth for a long time and they are finally starting to look kind of nice. Re remineralizing teeth, if it's a small cavity then absolutely you can do it. I use tooth soap from Red23. It's important that the toothpaste doesn't contain glycerine as this coats the teeth and makes it very hard to remineralize. The most important thing is no fluoride! For supplements, vitamin D, K and calcium are good, but for calcium try to get this through diet. Most important is high vitamin cod liver oil. The best one I think is Green Pastures Blue Ice Fermented CLO, though it tastes awful, you can get it flavoured. They also do capsules which are kind of big. You can also buy Blue Ice Butter Oil which is also needed to remineralize. Another brilliant thing is Blue Ice Royal Caps - combination of CLO and butter oil. They only come in caps I think which are large, and you can't squeeze it out as it's not runny. Ideally 3 times a day if you're remineralizing, otherwise once a day for maintenance. This information is all from Weston A Price, who was a dentist. CLO and butter oil are the main treatment he used for reversing cavities. They are expensive but very high quality and really do work. Food from the fats of grass fed animals is also great - raw milk is excellent. If you're worried about reaction, make some yoghurt first and test it – raw milk is a totally different food to pasteurised milk and much easier to digest, and so nutritious. Also cheese and kefir from raw milk of grass fed cows. These are all high in K2. If you can manage it, natto is supposed to be excellent. It contains a form of K2 that you can't get through supplements. If you supplement K2, make sure to take it with fats to help absorption. Bone broths are great for teeth and just about everything else too. You need to add a couple tbsp of vinegar to draw out the calcium. And it's important to start with cold water. Carrot juice is also high in calcium, preferably home made. Xylitol is supposed to be good for teeth but the toothpaste you can buy contains glycerine, so don't use it if you're remineralizing. The Weston A Price conference is this weekend in Epsom, there will be lots of this kind of information there. > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I posted the following to a friend recently about this (below). I've been trying to improve my son's teeth for a long time and they are finally starting to look kind of nice. Re remineralizing teeth, if it's a small cavity then absolutely you can do it. I use tooth soap from Red23. It's important that the toothpaste doesn't contain glycerine as this coats the teeth and makes it very hard to remineralize. The most important thing is no fluoride! For supplements, vitamin D, K and calcium are good, but for calcium try to get this through diet. Most important is high vitamin cod liver oil. The best one I think is Green Pastures Blue Ice Fermented CLO, though it tastes awful, you can get it flavoured. They also do capsules which are kind of big. You can also buy Blue Ice Butter Oil which is also needed to remineralize. Another brilliant thing is Blue Ice Royal Caps - combination of CLO and butter oil. They only come in caps I think which are large, and you can't squeeze it out as it's not runny. Ideally 3 times a day if you're remineralizing, otherwise once a day for maintenance. This information is all from Weston A Price, who was a dentist. CLO and butter oil are the main treatment he used for reversing cavities. They are expensive but very high quality and really do work. Food from the fats of grass fed animals is also great - raw milk is excellent. If you're worried about reaction, make some yoghurt first and test it – raw milk is a totally different food to pasteurised milk and much easier to digest, and so nutritious. Also cheese and kefir from raw milk of grass fed cows. These are all high in K2. If you can manage it, natto is supposed to be excellent. It contains a form of K2 that you can't get through supplements. If you supplement K2, make sure to take it with fats to help absorption. Bone broths are great for teeth and just about everything else too. You need to add a couple tbsp of vinegar to draw out the calcium. And it's important to start with cold water. Carrot juice is also high in calcium, preferably home made. Xylitol is supposed to be good for teeth but the toothpaste you can buy contains glycerine, so don't use it if you're remineralizing. The Weston A Price conference is this weekend in Epsom, there will be lots of this kind of information there. > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I posted the following to a friend recently about this (below). I've been trying to improve my son's teeth for a long time and they are finally starting to look kind of nice. Re remineralizing teeth, if it's a small cavity then absolutely you can do it. I use tooth soap from Red23. It's important that the toothpaste doesn't contain glycerine as this coats the teeth and makes it very hard to remineralize. The most important thing is no fluoride! For supplements, vitamin D, K and calcium are good, but for calcium try to get this through diet. Most important is high vitamin cod liver oil. The best one I think is Green Pastures Blue Ice Fermented CLO, though it tastes awful, you can get it flavoured. They also do capsules which are kind of big. You can also buy Blue Ice Butter Oil which is also needed to remineralize. Another brilliant thing is Blue Ice Royal Caps - combination of CLO and butter oil. They only come in caps I think which are large, and you can't squeeze it out as it's not runny. Ideally 3 times a day if you're remineralizing, otherwise once a day for maintenance. This information is all from Weston A Price, who was a dentist. CLO and butter oil are the main treatment he used for reversing cavities. They are expensive but very high quality and really do work. Food from the fats of grass fed animals is also great - raw milk is excellent. If you're worried about reaction, make some yoghurt first and test it – raw milk is a totally different food to pasteurised milk and much easier to digest, and so nutritious. Also cheese and kefir from raw milk of grass fed cows. These are all high in K2. If you can manage it, natto is supposed to be excellent. It contains a form of K2 that you can't get through supplements. If you supplement K2, make sure to take it with fats to help absorption. Bone broths are great for teeth and just about everything else too. You need to add a couple tbsp of vinegar to draw out the calcium. And it's important to start with cold water. Carrot juice is also high in calcium, preferably home made. Xylitol is supposed to be good for teeth but the toothpaste you can buy contains glycerine, so don't use it if you're remineralizing. The Weston A Price conference is this weekend in Epsom, there will be lots of this kind of information there. > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Here you go!Curcumin suppresses Streptococcus mutans adherence to human tooth surfaces and extracellular matrix proteins.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22009290 To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 12:21 Subject: RE: Re: teeth Thanks for your replies everyone - that's a big help and i'll look into those ideas more. Have been looking at the files section of the vit k yahoo group (thanks Sara) and my interpretation is that vit k isn't toxic because it doesn't accumulate in the body unlike the other fat soluble vits., but am still worried at what level clotting problems may occur - or indeed if they would occur? Had always understood vit k to do with helping blood clot. I see vit k protocol is done according to weight of child. - would you mind posting the link about the tumeric please if you can put your finger on it? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: moppett1@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:49:25 +0000Subject: Re: Re: teeth Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Here you go!Curcumin suppresses Streptococcus mutans adherence to human tooth surfaces and extracellular matrix proteins.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22009290 To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 12:21 Subject: RE: Re: teeth Thanks for your replies everyone - that's a big help and i'll look into those ideas more. Have been looking at the files section of the vit k yahoo group (thanks Sara) and my interpretation is that vit k isn't toxic because it doesn't accumulate in the body unlike the other fat soluble vits., but am still worried at what level clotting problems may occur - or indeed if they would occur? Had always understood vit k to do with helping blood clot. I see vit k protocol is done according to weight of child. - would you mind posting the link about the tumeric please if you can put your finger on it? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: moppett1@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:49:25 +0000Subject: Re: Re: teeth Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Here you go!Curcumin suppresses Streptococcus mutans adherence to human tooth surfaces and extracellular matrix proteins.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22009290 To: autism-biomedical-europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 12:21 Subject: RE: Re: teeth Thanks for your replies everyone - that's a big help and i'll look into those ideas more. Have been looking at the files section of the vit k yahoo group (thanks Sara) and my interpretation is that vit k isn't toxic because it doesn't accumulate in the body unlike the other fat soluble vits., but am still worried at what level clotting problems may occur - or indeed if they would occur? Had always understood vit k to do with helping blood clot. I see vit k protocol is done according to weight of child. - would you mind posting the link about the tumeric please if you can put your finger on it? Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: moppett1@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:49:25 +0000Subject: Re: Re: teeth Must add that I have been researching turmeric lately. This herb will apparently stop strep mutans the bacteria causing decay, will from adherening to teeth:-0 To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012, 8:12 Subject: Re: teeth Have a look at the Vit K protocol - there's a yahoo group - search for vitamin K/ autism. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hi , Have ordered the flavoured cod liver oil, and the raspberry flavoured butter oil - these hopefully may be tasty enough for him to take. Do you know where there is a link or info. for dosing these in a young child, not to maintain but as you were saying to re-mineralize the teeth? Was looking on the WAP site yesterday and pulled various relevant things up but couldn't find out anything that gives a guide of how much is needed. I don't know if we're in a fluoridated area - have tried to find out doing searches on-line but can't pin it down to the pct we're under. My son's teeth have this dental flurosis at the front, he also has thyroid issues so am suspecting the flouride has disrupted things. He hasn't had any fluoride supplements and have only used the tiniest bit of childrens paste so can't think of any other source at the moment. Am trying to do something so that if I can stop further damage to them and he is able to hold on to them, then when his second teeth come through they will be better mineralised if that makes sense. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: canadacath@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:08:45 +0000Subject: Re: teeth Hi Janet The Blue Ice Royal caps smell lovely, kind of like butter I guess. I've only ever swallowed them but think they would probably taste okay. They're kind of hard inside (I refrigerate them), so you might try warming them and trying to extract the oil. The unflavoured CLO tastes really awful, the only thing my kids have ever refused. We use the orange flavoured one, and they take it okay but I still think it smells bad (I've never tried it myself, not brave enough!) Try googling activated alumina filter, might be cheaper than reverse osmosis for removing fluoride. Not sure if it's available in the UK. Are you definitely in a fluoridated area? Most of UK isn't. The tooth soap is the only thing I've found without any additional ingredients. It tastes a little like soap but not too bad, my kids use it without any complaint. It's expensive but lasts a very long time as you only use a few drops. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hi , Have ordered the flavoured cod liver oil, and the raspberry flavoured butter oil - these hopefully may be tasty enough for him to take. Do you know where there is a link or info. for dosing these in a young child, not to maintain but as you were saying to re-mineralize the teeth? Was looking on the WAP site yesterday and pulled various relevant things up but couldn't find out anything that gives a guide of how much is needed. I don't know if we're in a fluoridated area - have tried to find out doing searches on-line but can't pin it down to the pct we're under. My son's teeth have this dental flurosis at the front, he also has thyroid issues so am suspecting the flouride has disrupted things. He hasn't had any fluoride supplements and have only used the tiniest bit of childrens paste so can't think of any other source at the moment. Am trying to do something so that if I can stop further damage to them and he is able to hold on to them, then when his second teeth come through they will be better mineralised if that makes sense. Janet To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: canadacath@...Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:08:45 +0000Subject: Re: teeth Hi Janet The Blue Ice Royal caps smell lovely, kind of like butter I guess. I've only ever swallowed them but think they would probably taste okay. They're kind of hard inside (I refrigerate them), so you might try warming them and trying to extract the oil. The unflavoured CLO tastes really awful, the only thing my kids have ever refused. We use the orange flavoured one, and they take it okay but I still think it smells bad (I've never tried it myself, not brave enough!) Try googling activated alumina filter, might be cheaper than reverse osmosis for removing fluoride. Not sure if it's available in the UK. Are you definitely in a fluoridated area? Most of UK isn't. The tooth soap is the only thing I've found without any additional ingredients. It tastes a little like soap but not too bad, my kids use it without any complaint. It's expensive but lasts a very long time as you only use a few drops. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a long shot but has anyone any experience of dental flurosis? Am looking for any ways this can be addressed nutritionally, am concerned about the fact that effected teeth have low mineral content and so are prone to decay - just wondering if there were things that could improve mineralisation for tooth enamel - including natural products that may be available to put directly on the tooth to give some protection. Janet > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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