Grapefruit Seed Extract dosing

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone. I want to start giving my 4 1/2 yr. old, 52 lb.

daughter grapefruit seed extract--adult dosage is 3-5 tsp. per quart

of liquid. Does anyone give this to their child? Also, it`s suppose

to irritate the stomach and maybe the throat--wondering how to

prevent this! If it tastes horrible, I couldn`t get it down her with

an army! I was also wondering if anyone knows the supplement amounts

for B6 and Magnesium--waiting on paper from Autism Institue, but

getting anxious! I would greatly appreciate any info!

, mom to Krista

[Guest guest]

cindi, thank you for all of the info--it`s certainly very helpful! I have just recently received access to a computer and have been feverishly searching the web. Some of the best info I`ve received is from Autism_in_Girls and it`s members! I recently stumbled upon a book by Karyn Seroussi, Autism and Pervasive Developemental Disorder. It is wonderful! My daughter is already on some of the supplements and a GFCF diet. Again, thank you for all of your help!

mom to Krista Lea-

From: cindi dressler

To: Autism_in_Girlsegroups

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract dosing

,I found this at the ari website for mag. and b6. Don't knowabout the grapefruit seed, but i would probably start with 1/4 of theadult dose and increase with time.We are very often asked, "What is the right dosage of this or that forour child?" The answer is, fornutrients as it is for drugs--no one knows. Each person is verydifferent from everyone else, and only byexperimenting--trial and error--can it be determined if a substancewill be helpful and in what amounts itshould be given. Given that as a base fact, here is what I have learnedover the last 30 years:Vitamin B6: Vitamin B6 (must be given with magnesium) was found to behelpful in almost half of allautistic children and adults included in 18 consecutive studies between1965 and 1996. In our own studies,the average amount of B6 found to be beneficial was around 8 mg of B6per pound of body weight, perday. (This is about 500 mg/day for a 60 pound child.) Gilbert Lelordand his group of researchers inFrance arrived at an almost identical amount: 17 mg/kg/day. But--thisis just an average. In ARRI 9/2 wepublished a letter from a father whose son did very well on about 40mg/day. We suggest starting withone-quarter the target amount and increasing slowly over a 10- to14-day period. If too much is given forthat child, or if the dosage is increased too quickly, there may beminor side effects, such ashyperactivity, nausea, or diarrhea--but this is rather rare. In suchcases, the dose should be cut back andincreased again slowly, to try to find the right levels. We advise theparents to refrain from mentioningthe experiment to teachers, therapists, relatives, and neighbors, sothey can benefit from unsolicitedcomments.The upper limits advised for adults or those above 120 pounds is 1,000mg/day, although some have beenon 1,500 mg/day. I added 500 mg/day to my own son's 1,000 mg/day forone year, but saw noimprovement beyond the 1,000 mg that he had taken for 20 years, so Ireverted to 1,000 mg/day.Last year a Florida mother phoned to tell me that on visiting her adultson's group home she was appalledat his deteriorated behavior. On investigating, she found they had runout of his supply of B6/magnesium,which should have provided 1,000 mg/day of B6. She then ordered threetimes the usual supply of thepowdered B6/magnesium formula, to protect against running out again. Onher next visit she was amazedat the improvement in her son. He actually showed affection toward herfor the first time! She thenlearned that her instructions had been misunderstood and her son wasnow getting 3,000 mg/day ofB6--three times the recommended amount. Despite the improvement, thephysicians in charge stoppedthe B6, claiming it was dangerous. He is now on a drug which isdangerous.The only known harm from megadoses of vitamin B6 is peripheralneuropathy--seen as a tingling andnumbness in the hands and feet. It is very rare--I have encounteredonly four cases in 30 years, and theproblem went away when the B6 was stopped. A few people aresupersensitive to B6. The B6/magnesium will often produce benefits within a few days. If noimprovement is seen in about amonth, I suggest stopping it.Magnesium: Giving about 3 or 4 mg of magnesium per pound of bodyweight, up to 400 mg per day foradults, enhances the effects of the B6 and protects against possibleB6-induced magnesium deficiency.This is not a megadose of magnesium, but rather the amount that manyresearchers, including me, believethat everyone should take for optimum health. Almost every type of foodprocessing depletes magnesium,so supplemental magnesium is essential to avoid a deficiency.Dimethylglycine (DMG): The best suppliers of DMG provide it in tabletsor capsules of 125 mg each.Determining right dosage really depends on trial and errorexperimentation. Young children are generallyfound to do well--if they respond to DMG--on anywhere from one-halftablet to three or four tablets aday, although one mother, a physician, found that her five-year-old sonneeded 16 per day! (He did wellfor several hours on four tablets, then regressed, so was given fourmore. This happened every fewhours, so he reached 16 per day.)Another physician, also the mother of an autistic son--a 170-pound manin his late 20's-- ended up givingher son 26 DMG per day, for the same reason. It seems that a few peoplemetabolize the DMG very fast,and thus need more per day than most.Radio talk show host Null of New York City told me that manymarathon runners take one DMG everymile they run--26 in all. They perform better and suffer fewer physicalproblems. There is amplescientific research showing such benefits to be highly expectable.Although there is a very wide range of dosage levels reported by thosewho use DMG, the usual dosagefor children ranges up to about four per day, and for adults to abouteight per day. As with B6, thedifferences between individuals are huge.A small percentage of autistic children become hyperactive when givenDMG. That is their way of tellingyou they need more folic acid. Folic acid, a B vitamin, may be boughtin 800 mcg tablets or capsules. Twoof the 800 mcg folic acid tablets with each DMG will usually solve thisproblem.Folic acid: Folic acid itself has been reported to be helpful in autism(ARRI 8/4). The great Frenchresearcher Jerome Lejeune reported that supplements of about 250 mcg offolic acid per pound of bodyweight per day brought on major improvement in several autisticchildren. Dr. Lejeune gave thousands ofretarded children (mostly Down syndrome) 20 mg of folic acid per day inhis various studies, with noharm, nor would any harm be expected.Vitamin C: In 1991, Lelland Tolbert and his associates reported thatgiving 8,000 mg/ day of vitamin C toadolescent and adult autistic persons brought about significantimprovement (ARRI 6/1). Since vitamin Cis found in very high concentrations in the brain, this is not asurprising finding. A number of the world'sleading experts on vitamin C, including Nobel Prize winner Linusing, recommend that most people takeat least that much vitamin C each day for optimal health. I havestudied vitamin C for some 30 years, andown almost every book ever written on the subject. I take about 12,000mg of vitamin C daily (three levelteaspoons), in the form of sodium ascorbate powder (only about $18 perpound, from 1-). Asmall percentage of people get diarrhea on such doses--for the rest ofus, especially those with autism,there is much to gain.As the many benefits that nutrients can and do confer become morewidely known and accepted,increasing numbers of parents will turn to these natural and healthfulsubstances in preference to harmfuldrugs. ARRI will keep readers informed about research into thesevaluable treatments. hope this helps, cindi --- Briggs wrote:> Hello everyone. I want to start giving my 4 1/2 yr. old, 52 lb. > daughter grapefruit seed extract--adult dosage is 3-5 tsp. per quart > of liquid. Does anyone give this to their child? Also, it`s suppose> > to irritate the stomach and maybe the throat--wondering how to > prevent this! If it tastes horrible, I couldn`t get it down her with> > an army! I was also wondering if anyone knows the supplement amounts> > for B6 and Magnesium--waiting on paper from Autism Institue, but > getting anxious! I would greatly appreciate any info!> > , mom to Krista> > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

cindi, thank you for all of the info--it`s certainly very helpful! I have just recently received access to a computer and have been feverishly searching the web. Some of the best info I`ve received is from Autism_in_Girls and it`s members! I recently stumbled upon a book by Karyn Seroussi, Autism and Pervasive Developemental Disorder. It is wonderful! My daughter is already on some of the supplements and a GFCF diet. Again, thank you for all of your help!

mom to Krista Lea-

From: cindi dressler

To: Autism_in_Girlsegroups

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract dosing

,I found this at the ari website for mag. and b6. Don't knowabout the grapefruit seed, but i would probably start with 1/4 of theadult dose and increase with time.We are very often asked, "What is the right dosage of this or that forour child?" The answer is, fornutrients as it is for drugs--no one knows. Each person is verydifferent from everyone else, and only byexperimenting--trial and error--can it be determined if a substancewill be helpful and in what amounts itshould be given. Given that as a base fact, here is what I have learnedover the last 30 years:Vitamin B6: Vitamin B6 (must be given with magnesium) was found to behelpful in almost half of allautistic children and adults included in 18 consecutive studies between1965 and 1996. In our own studies,the average amount of B6 found to be beneficial was around 8 mg of B6per pound of body weight, perday. (This is about 500 mg/day for a 60 pound child.) Gilbert Lelordand his group of researchers inFrance arrived at an almost identical amount: 17 mg/kg/day. But--thisis just an average. In ARRI 9/2 wepublished a letter from a father whose son did very well on about 40mg/day. We suggest starting withone-quarter the target amount and increasing slowly over a 10- to14-day period. If too much is given forthat child, or if the dosage is increased too quickly, there may beminor side effects, such ashyperactivity, nausea, or diarrhea--but this is rather rare. In suchcases, the dose should be cut back andincreased again slowly, to try to find the right levels. We advise theparents to refrain from mentioningthe experiment to teachers, therapists, relatives, and neighbors, sothey can benefit from unsolicitedcomments.The upper limits advised for adults or those above 120 pounds is 1,000mg/day, although some have beenon 1,500 mg/day. I added 500 mg/day to my own son's 1,000 mg/day forone year, but saw noimprovement beyond the 1,000 mg that he had taken for 20 years, so Ireverted to 1,000 mg/day.Last year a Florida mother phoned to tell me that on visiting her adultson's group home she was appalledat his deteriorated behavior. On investigating, she found they had runout of his supply of B6/magnesium,which should have provided 1,000 mg/day of B6. She then ordered threetimes the usual supply of thepowdered B6/magnesium formula, to protect against running out again. Onher next visit she was amazedat the improvement in her son. He actually showed affection toward herfor the first time! She thenlearned that her instructions had been misunderstood and her son wasnow getting 3,000 mg/day ofB6--three times the recommended amount. Despite the improvement, thephysicians in charge stoppedthe B6, claiming it was dangerous. He is now on a drug which isdangerous.The only known harm from megadoses of vitamin B6 is peripheralneuropathy--seen as a tingling andnumbness in the hands and feet. It is very rare--I have encounteredonly four cases in 30 years, and theproblem went away when the B6 was stopped. A few people aresupersensitive to B6. The B6/magnesium will often produce benefits within a few days. If noimprovement is seen in about amonth, I suggest stopping it.Magnesium: Giving about 3 or 4 mg of magnesium per pound of bodyweight, up to 400 mg per day foradults, enhances the effects of the B6 and protects against possibleB6-induced magnesium deficiency.This is not a megadose of magnesium, but rather the amount that manyresearchers, including me, believethat everyone should take for optimum health. Almost every type of foodprocessing depletes magnesium,so supplemental magnesium is essential to avoid a deficiency.Dimethylglycine (DMG): The best suppliers of DMG provide it in tabletsor capsules of 125 mg each.Determining right dosage really depends on trial and errorexperimentation. Young children are generallyfound to do well--if they respond to DMG--on anywhere from one-halftablet to three or four tablets aday, although one mother, a physician, found that her five-year-old sonneeded 16 per day! (He did wellfor several hours on four tablets, then regressed, so was given fourmore. This happened every fewhours, so he reached 16 per day.)Another physician, also the mother of an autistic son--a 170-pound manin his late 20's-- ended up givingher son 26 DMG per day, for the same reason. It seems that a few peoplemetabolize the DMG very fast,and thus need more per day than most.Radio talk show host Null of New York City told me that manymarathon runners take one DMG everymile they run--26 in all. They perform better and suffer fewer physicalproblems. There is amplescientific research showing such benefits to be highly expectable.Although there is a very wide range of dosage levels reported by thosewho use DMG, the usual dosagefor children ranges up to about four per day, and for adults to abouteight per day. As with B6, thedifferences between individuals are huge.A small percentage of autistic children become hyperactive when givenDMG. That is their way of tellingyou they need more folic acid. Folic acid, a B vitamin, may be boughtin 800 mcg tablets or capsules. Twoof the 800 mcg folic acid tablets with each DMG will usually solve thisproblem.Folic acid: Folic acid itself has been reported to be helpful in autism(ARRI 8/4). The great Frenchresearcher Jerome Lejeune reported that supplements of about 250 mcg offolic acid per pound of bodyweight per day brought on major improvement in several autisticchildren. Dr. Lejeune gave thousands ofretarded children (mostly Down syndrome) 20 mg of folic acid per day inhis various studies, with noharm, nor would any harm be expected.Vitamin C: In 1991, Lelland Tolbert and his associates reported thatgiving 8,000 mg/ day of vitamin C toadolescent and adult autistic persons brought about significantimprovement (ARRI 6/1). Since vitamin Cis found in very high concentrations in the brain, this is not asurprising finding. A number of the world'sleading experts on vitamin C, including Nobel Prize winner Linusing, recommend that most people takeat least that much vitamin C each day for optimal health. I havestudied vitamin C for some 30 years, andown almost every book ever written on the subject. I take about 12,000mg of vitamin C daily (three levelteaspoons), in the form of sodium ascorbate powder (only about $18 perpound, from 1-). Asmall percentage of people get diarrhea on such doses--for the rest ofus, especially those with autism,there is much to gain.As the many benefits that nutrients can and do confer become morewidely known and accepted,increasing numbers of parents will turn to these natural and healthfulsubstances in preference to harmfuldrugs. ARRI will keep readers informed about research into thesevaluable treatments. hope this helps, cindi --- Briggs wrote:> Hello everyone. I want to start giving my 4 1/2 yr. old, 52 lb. > daughter grapefruit seed extract--adult dosage is 3-5 tsp. per quart > of liquid. Does anyone give this to their child? Also, it`s suppose> > to irritate the stomach and maybe the throat--wondering how to > prevent this! If it tastes horrible, I couldn`t get it down her with> > an army! I was also wondering if anyone knows the supplement amounts> > for B6 and Magnesium--waiting on paper from Autism Institue, but > getting anxious! I would greatly appreciate any info!> > , mom to Krista> > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

cindi, thank you for all of the info--it`s certainly very helpful! I have just recently received access to a computer and have been feverishly searching the web. Some of the best info I`ve received is from Autism_in_Girls and it`s members! I recently stumbled upon a book by Karyn Seroussi, Autism and Pervasive Developemental Disorder. It is wonderful! My daughter is already on some of the supplements and a GFCF diet. Again, thank you for all of your help!

mom to Krista Lea-

From: cindi dressler

To: Autism_in_Girlsegroups

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract dosing

,I found this at the ari website for mag. and b6. Don't knowabout the grapefruit seed, but i would probably start with 1/4 of theadult dose and increase with time.We are very often asked, "What is the right dosage of this or that forour child?" The answer is, fornutrients as it is for drugs--no one knows. Each person is verydifferent from everyone else, and only byexperimenting--trial and error--can it be determined if a substancewill be helpful and in what amounts itshould be given. Given that as a base fact, here is what I have learnedover the last 30 years:Vitamin B6: Vitamin B6 (must be given with magnesium) was found to behelpful in almost half of allautistic children and adults included in 18 consecutive studies between1965 and 1996. In our own studies,the average amount of B6 found to be beneficial was around 8 mg of B6per pound of body weight, perday. (This is about 500 mg/day for a 60 pound child.) Gilbert Lelordand his group of researchers inFrance arrived at an almost identical amount: 17 mg/kg/day. But--thisis just an average. In ARRI 9/2 wepublished a letter from a father whose son did very well on about 40mg/day. We suggest starting withone-quarter the target amount and increasing slowly over a 10- to14-day period. If too much is given forthat child, or if the dosage is increased too quickly, there may beminor side effects, such ashyperactivity, nausea, or diarrhea--but this is rather rare. In suchcases, the dose should be cut back andincreased again slowly, to try to find the right levels. We advise theparents to refrain from mentioningthe experiment to teachers, therapists, relatives, and neighbors, sothey can benefit from unsolicitedcomments.The upper limits advised for adults or those above 120 pounds is 1,000mg/day, although some have beenon 1,500 mg/day. I added 500 mg/day to my own son's 1,000 mg/day forone year, but saw noimprovement beyond the 1,000 mg that he had taken for 20 years, so Ireverted to 1,000 mg/day.Last year a Florida mother phoned to tell me that on visiting her adultson's group home she was appalledat his deteriorated behavior. On investigating, she found they had runout of his supply of B6/magnesium,which should have provided 1,000 mg/day of B6. She then ordered threetimes the usual supply of thepowdered B6/magnesium formula, to protect against running out again. Onher next visit she was amazedat the improvement in her son. He actually showed affection toward herfor the first time! She thenlearned that her instructions had been misunderstood and her son wasnow getting 3,000 mg/day ofB6--three times the recommended amount. Despite the improvement, thephysicians in charge stoppedthe B6, claiming it was dangerous. He is now on a drug which isdangerous.The only known harm from megadoses of vitamin B6 is peripheralneuropathy--seen as a tingling andnumbness in the hands and feet. It is very rare--I have encounteredonly four cases in 30 years, and theproblem went away when the B6 was stopped. A few people aresupersensitive to B6. The B6/magnesium will often produce benefits within a few days. If noimprovement is seen in about amonth, I suggest stopping it.Magnesium: Giving about 3 or 4 mg of magnesium per pound of bodyweight, up to 400 mg per day foradults, enhances the effects of the B6 and protects against possibleB6-induced magnesium deficiency.This is not a megadose of magnesium, but rather the amount that manyresearchers, including me, believethat everyone should take for optimum health. Almost every type of foodprocessing depletes magnesium,so supplemental magnesium is essential to avoid a deficiency.Dimethylglycine (DMG): The best suppliers of DMG provide it in tabletsor capsules of 125 mg each.Determining right dosage really depends on trial and errorexperimentation. Young children are generallyfound to do well--if they respond to DMG--on anywhere from one-halftablet to three or four tablets aday, although one mother, a physician, found that her five-year-old sonneeded 16 per day! (He did wellfor several hours on four tablets, then regressed, so was given fourmore. This happened every fewhours, so he reached 16 per day.)Another physician, also the mother of an autistic son--a 170-pound manin his late 20's-- ended up givingher son 26 DMG per day, for the same reason. It seems that a few peoplemetabolize the DMG very fast,and thus need more per day than most.Radio talk show host Null of New York City told me that manymarathon runners take one DMG everymile they run--26 in all. They perform better and suffer fewer physicalproblems. There is amplescientific research showing such benefits to be highly expectable.Although there is a very wide range of dosage levels reported by thosewho use DMG, the usual dosagefor children ranges up to about four per day, and for adults to abouteight per day. As with B6, thedifferences between individuals are huge.A small percentage of autistic children become hyperactive when givenDMG. That is their way of tellingyou they need more folic acid. Folic acid, a B vitamin, may be boughtin 800 mcg tablets or capsules. Twoof the 800 mcg folic acid tablets with each DMG will usually solve thisproblem.Folic acid: Folic acid itself has been reported to be helpful in autism(ARRI 8/4). The great Frenchresearcher Jerome Lejeune reported that supplements of about 250 mcg offolic acid per pound of bodyweight per day brought on major improvement in several autisticchildren. Dr. Lejeune gave thousands ofretarded children (mostly Down syndrome) 20 mg of folic acid per day inhis various studies, with noharm, nor would any harm be expected.Vitamin C: In 1991, Lelland Tolbert and his associates reported thatgiving 8,000 mg/ day of vitamin C toadolescent and adult autistic persons brought about significantimprovement (ARRI 6/1). Since vitamin Cis found in very high concentrations in the brain, this is not asurprising finding. A number of the world'sleading experts on vitamin C, including Nobel Prize winner Linusing, recommend that most people takeat least that much vitamin C each day for optimal health. I havestudied vitamin C for some 30 years, andown almost every book ever written on the subject. I take about 12,000mg of vitamin C daily (three levelteaspoons), in the form of sodium ascorbate powder (only about $18 perpound, from 1-). Asmall percentage of people get diarrhea on such doses--for the rest ofus, especially those with autism,there is much to gain.As the many benefits that nutrients can and do confer become morewidely known and accepted,increasing numbers of parents will turn to these natural and healthfulsubstances in preference to harmfuldrugs. ARRI will keep readers informed about research into thesevaluable treatments. hope this helps, cindi --- Briggs wrote:> Hello everyone. I want to start giving my 4 1/2 yr. old, 52 lb. > daughter grapefruit seed extract--adult dosage is 3-5 tsp. per quart > of liquid. Does anyone give this to their child? Also, it`s suppose> > to irritate the stomach and maybe the throat--wondering how to > prevent this! If it tastes horrible, I couldn`t get it down her with> > an army! I was also wondering if anyone knows the supplement amounts> > for B6 and Magnesium--waiting on paper from Autism Institue, but > getting anxious! I would greatly appreciate any info!> > , mom to Krista> > > __________________________________________________