Re: Milk?

[Guest guest]

Ok here I have to step in and point out that I am a normal female, my

testosterone levels are normal, and nothing is out of range on that hormone or

any others. Any speculation I'm getting some drastic increase on such androgens

by way of my intake of meat and milk is highly unlikely as I've done this for

years - and my blood tests show nothing out of the ordinary. So anybody wanting

to get a huge bump in their testosterone (at least female) should not figure

this as the road to such endeavors lol. Women only have on the order of 10% of

a man's testosterone anyway and barring exogenous additions or polycystic

ovarian disease, generally are not capable of more. Since neither condition

applies to me, I would rule out that particular option here.

I'm guessing too that it's likely genetic over here, given I tend to gain muscle

fairly easily and may be one of that 1-2% with that natural tendency in the

female ranks.

Previously to turning powerlifter I'd been trying light " toning " style lifting

and aerobic workouts, and this failed to lower my cholesterol and my bodyfat

levels (they just made me fitter, not leaner!). When I gave up that type of

workout and went heavy on the lifting and completely got rid of the cardio,

that's what moved both the bodyfat and the cholesterol. This is against what

many experts claim, that one must do a good deal of cardio to mobilize one's

bodyfat...perhaps this is not the case for other frustrated people out there,

both men and women.

All I've ever said on this was people should experiment, and a good place to

start may be asking your family (older members) what everybody ate when they

were kids growing up, what makes them feel lousy to eat, what they feel

generally good eating. Then experiment in conjunction with your training and

see what your body does well with. Find what your body does well, and then work

to maximize this.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

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Hi Levi

I'm sure that your author may well be well published, but the article you

published showed no references at all, hence my comment.

I'm a coach and not a biological chemist, but I have some questions. It is

my understanding that cholesterol is manufactured by the body as well as

ingested and that high cholesterol people have high cholesterol even of they

eat low cholesterol diets. What is this trigger? Your author suggests

animal protein, was it isolated protein or the whole food? If the later then

's statement that the saturated fat in the animal meat was a source of

ingested protein may hold true.

Does the vegetable diet hold higher fibre content? If it did perhaps the

fibre transport through the gut helped remove fat digestion products

secreted in the bile from being reabsorbed and converted to cholesterol, so

fibre to the rescue and improved elimination. I eat (study of one) eggs

daily for breakfast (two boiled) with a bowl of oats and lots of red meat

(game e.g. ostrich) and beef almost daily, but also lots of veggies and

fruit and my cholesterol is well below the required range. Exercise the key

or the fibre?

Cholesterol is used in the body to manufacture some of the hormones

including testosterone. Cholesterol is not the enemy only high

cholesterol. Some cholesterol is required. Can one conclude that eating

animal meat increases testosterone production (through increased

cholesterol)? Is this why feels better eating her diet?

Many of your authors studies were on a very specific population in the

Philippines, isolated for many years from most other populations and then

exposed to Western lifestyle and diets, could this effect their health

response. Poverty and the stress of this could also stimulate problems of

health. Is it possible that because of there low exposure to diary and beef

in the past (being stuck on an island) the genetic stock may have not

developed the ability to deal with food in these groups?

Does the author have a line to push? He seems a somewhat proselytising

vegetarian - does he look for things in his research to prove a point? Am I

a proselytising meat eater?

I can't say I haven read all his studies and I would probably not be able to

critique papers in his discipline, just asking questions.

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