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Hi Zoloftscrwd4life,

Very good posting! I think this is the link between

the placebo effect and Victor l's

theory/technique of paradoxal intention that we need

to use, even if it may be triggered by SSRIs. Anything

that diverts from trying (and thus stopping!) should

help, or stopping you ego/will from wanting to control

(Yoga, running, being completely absorbed in

whatever). My Zen teacher always cites this experiment

where men with erectile dysfunction are devided into

two groups. Half get sex movies: no response. The

other half gets the same sex movies with in the top

corner simple mathematical calculations that they have

to solve. They show a response. The explanation given

is that the will who is interfering by too much

wanting (and thus stopping), is being kept occupied

(deceived) by the calculations, so it cannot stop the

erectile response. A simple method which is used to

see if we stop ourself with our will, is to put a thin

piece of paper around your flacid penis (glue ends

together). Because at night (or if you do Yoga,

running etc.) your conscious will is immobilised, and

you will get an erection and know that you had one,

because the paper ring will be torn. If you have

" morning wood " , you know in any case that this

mechanism plays a role.

JR

--- zoloftscrwd4life

wrote:

> this is not kind really related but it reminds me of

> this technique

> from this book to fix problems like phobias or

> habits. Its called

> paradoxical intention, where if you are trying too

> hard to fix

> something it will worsen the symptom, rather to fix

> the problem you

> would do exactly the opposite and it will ease the

> symptom. Like for

> example for sleeping problem, instead of the person

> focusing on too

> much on trying to sleep, will only worsen the

> problem instead,

> recommends trying not to sleep. I thought this was

> sort of

> interesting because since we are tryin very hard

> mentally to get

> aroused or to get up our libido, it might not be

> helping mentally

> and if I can remember how I was like before I would

> try to supress

> my sexual urges rather than try to encourage it.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > just another article about the power of the

> mind on

> > > > the brain:

> > > >

> > > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14309026/

> > > >

> > > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > >

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