Re: Re: LIMITED PERMIT problems of 2008

[Guest guest]

Thanks Drena or your clarification

To clarify: is correct that LCATs and those seeking licensure

under a limited permit cannot " practice the profession of art therapy "

or call themselves " art therapists " at most non-profits at this time

(based on current NY Business Laws). They can be employed at these

agencies without consequence if the service they provide is called

" counseling " and can in fact work toward national certification (i.e.

ATR-BC).

In addition, the possibilities for " clinical " employment are not

limited to hospital settings (see below), but are indeed much more

restrictive than anyone anticipated when licensing laws were passed.

This has recently surfaced as an unintended consequence of the 2004 law.

From the Office of Professions:

" Setting. The setting must be one in which professional psychotherapy

services may be provided, such as a professional corporation,

professional limited liability corporation (PLLC) owned by a licensed

creative arts therapist (LCAT) or in an entity approved by a

government agency such as the Office of Mental Health (OMH), Office of

MentalRetardation and Developmental Disabilities (OMRDD), Office of

Alcoholism & Substance Abuse Services (OASAS), and Office of Children

& Family Services (OCFS) or local social service or mental hygiene

districts. A general business corporation may not employ licensed

professionals or provide professional services. If not previously

approved, we must receive verification (e.g., an business' operating

certificate) that the setting is authorized to employ licensed

professionals. An limited-licensed LCAT may not own or operate a

private practice. "

Drena Fagen, LMSW, LCAT

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I'm a Music Therapist in private practice in queens, NY. How does one get permission for a general business corporation to administer therapeutic services? (A business operating certificate).Denis Jordan MA MT-BC LCAT

Subject: Re: LIMITED PERMIT problems of 2008To: NYCCAT Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:02 AM

To clarify: is correct that LCATs and those seeking licensureunder a limited permit cannot "practice the profession of art therapy"or call themselves "art therapists" at most non-profits at this time (based on current NY Business Laws). They can be employed at theseagencies without consequence if the service they provide is called"counseling" and can in fact work toward national certification (i.e.ATR-BC). In addition, the possibilities for "clinical" employment are notlimited to hospital settings (see below), but are indeed much morerestrictive than anyone anticipated when licensing laws were passed.This has recently surfaced as an unintended consequence of the 2004 law.From the Office of Professions:"Setting. The setting must be one in which professional psychotherapyservices may be provided, such as a professional corporation,professional limited liability corporation (PLLC)

owned by a licensedcreative arts therapist (LCAT) or in an entity approved by agovernment agency such as the Office of Mental Health (OMH), Office ofMentalRetardation and Developmental Disabilities (OMRDD), Office ofAlcoholism & Substance Abuse Services (OASAS), and Office of Children & Family Services (OCFS) or local social service or mental hygienedistricts. A general business corporation may not employ licensedprofessionals or provide professional services. If not previouslyapproved, we must receive verification (e.g., an business' operatingcertificate) that the setting is authorized to employ licensedprofessionals. An limited-licensed LCAT may not own or operate aprivate practice."Drena Fagen, LMSW, LCAT