Panic attack on live TV - take 2

[Guest guest]

Okay.

I see that bringing up the incident caused many people to worry about their own experiences, for this I sincerely apologize.

I am deep into Russ ' book right now, working on my " observer self " and " noticing " sensations.

When I do this, I let go of why they are happening and just let them happen. And all sensations are equal. If you faint, or just collapse (he was alert extremely soon after he collapsed so for all we know he didn't actually faint), it's your body reacting to something. Maybe it is all in your head. Maybe it is something biological. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

To separate the two - to say that panic or anxiety doesn't cause fainting - is missing the point. Panic or anxiety directly or indirectly can cause an infinite amount of things. I'm not going to overanalyze this poor man anymore.

Here's a great example:

Let's say you are coming down with the flu. You have a headache, body ache, fever. If you use ACT to deal with these sensations, it will help you deal with them. You won't be turning cartwheels, but you will be dealing with the physical situation more effectively. Maybe you won't spend all day in bed moaning - even with this so-called entirely biological sensation happening, you can still act on your values.

So if our attorney general was into ACT, would he have collapsed? Maybe, maybe not. Was he experiencing panic? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is I can watch what happened to him, know that it has happened to me, and accept it. Does that mean everyone on this list will faint from panic one day? Of course not. We all have different bodies and experiences, we all react differently. I used to get mad that the books and doctors didn't validate my symptoms as panic, or when my hypochondria was bad, as something " real. " Now I just accept that every unpleasant symptom can be helped by using ACT, and I try to let the source of it all be just that - the source. Something I can't control or predict. I feel flu symptoms off and on pretty much constantly. It's most likely due to anxiety, but I also get an annual physical, and I would definitely see a doctor if something was really wrong, so I don't fault this guy for going to the hospital, I just think it's important to notice, objectively, a few things about this incident:

1. He was alert so fast afterward he might not have " fainted. " In fact, he seemed almost perfectly normal minutes after collapsing, consistent with a panic attack.

2. Millions of people suffering from panic and anxiety would benefit if he came forward about what happened.

3. If ACT helps you to move forward and act on your values while allowing a sensation to be there, then there is a good chance there is nothing physically wrong.

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering what has led you to believe that he did, in fact, have a panic

attack? It

doesn't look like a panic attack to me. It looks like a simple case of

fainting. It is because

it mirrors your own experience?

Cheers

Cath

>

> Okay.

>

> I see that bringing up the incident caused many people to worry about their

> own experiences, for this I sincerely apologize.

>

> I am deep into Russ ' book right now, working on my " observer self "

> and " noticing " sensations.

>

> When I do this, I let go of why they are happening and just let them happen.

> And all sensations are equal. If you faint, or just collapse (he was alert

> extremely soon after he collapsed so for all we know he didn't actually

> faint), it's your body reacting to something. Maybe it is all in your head.

> Maybe it is something biological. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It

> doesn't matter.

>

> To separate the two - to say that panic or anxiety doesn't cause fainting -

> is missing the point. Panic or anxiety directly or indirectly can cause an

> infinite amount of things. I'm not going to overanalyze this poor man

> anymore.

>

> Here's a great example:

>

> Let's say you are coming down with the flu. You have a headache, body ache,

> fever. If you use ACT to deal with these sensations, it will help you deal

> with them. You won't be turning cartwheels, but you will be dealing with the

> physical situation more effectively. Maybe you won't spend all day in bed

> moaning - even with this so-called entirely biological sensation happening,

> you can still act on your values.

>

> So if our attorney general was into ACT, would he have collapsed? Maybe,

> maybe not. Was he experiencing panic? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is I can

> watch what happened to him, know that it has happened to me, and accept it.

> Does that mean everyone on this list will faint from panic one day? Of

> course not. We all have different bodies and experiences, we all react

> differently. I used to get mad that the books and doctors didn't validate my

> symptoms as panic, or when my hypochondria was bad, as something " real. " Now

> I just accept that every unpleasant symptom can be helped by using ACT, and

> I try to let the source of it all be just that - the source. Something I

> can't control or predict. I feel flu symptoms off and on pretty much

> constantly. It's most likely due to anxiety, but I also get an

> annual physical, and I would definitely see a doctor if something was really

> wrong, so I don't fault this guy for going to the hospital, I just think

> it's important to notice, objectively, a few things about this incident:

>

> 1. He was alert so fast afterward he might not have " fainted. " In fact, he

> seemed almost perfectly normal minutes after collapsing, consistent with a

> panic attack.

> 2. Millions of people suffering from panic and anxiety would benefit if he

> came forward about what happened.

> 3. If ACT helps you to move forward and act on your values while allowing a

> sensation to be there, then there is a good chance there is nothing

> physically wrong.

>

[Guest guest]

I can see now that there is absolutely no point in moving this discussion away from did he or didn't he and toward something helpful.

I'm done.

Thanks,

I'm wondering what has led you to believe that he did, in fact, have a panic attack? It doesn't look like a panic attack to me. It looks like a simple case of fainting. It is because it mirrors your own experience?

CheersCath

>> Okay.

> > I see that bringing up the incident caused many people to worry about their> own experiences, for this I sincerely apologize.> > I am deep into Russ ' book right now, working on my " observer self "

> and " noticing " sensations.> > When I do this, I let go of why they are happening and just let them happen.> And all sensations are equal. If you faint, or just collapse (he was alert

> extremely soon after he collapsed so for all we know he didn't actually> faint), it's your body reacting to something. Maybe it is all in your head.> Maybe it is something biological. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It

> doesn't matter.> > To separate the two - to say that panic or anxiety doesn't cause fainting -> is missing the point. Panic or anxiety directly or indirectly can cause an> infinite amount of things. I'm not going to overanalyze this poor man

> anymore.> > Here's a great example:> > Let's say you are coming down with the flu. You have a headache, body ache,> fever. If you use ACT to deal with these sensations, it will help you deal

> with them. You won't be turning cartwheels, but you will be dealing with the> physical situation more effectively. Maybe you won't spend all day in bed> moaning - even with this so-called entirely biological sensation happening,

> you can still act on your values.> > So if our attorney general was into ACT, would he have collapsed? Maybe,> maybe not. Was he experiencing panic? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is I can> watch what happened to him, know that it has happened to me, and accept it.

> Does that mean everyone on this list will faint from panic one day? Of> course not. We all have different bodies and experiences, we all react> differently. I used to get mad that the books and doctors didn't validate my

> symptoms as panic, or when my hypochondria was bad, as something " real. " Now> I just accept that every unpleasant symptom can be helped by using ACT, and> I try to let the source of it all be just that - the source. Something I

> can't control or predict. I feel flu symptoms off and on pretty much> constantly. It's most likely due to anxiety, but I also get an> annual physical, and I would definitely see a doctor if something was really

> wrong, so I don't fault this guy for going to the hospital, I just think> it's important to notice, objectively, a few things about this incident:> > 1. He was alert so fast afterward he might not have " fainted. " In fact, he

> seemed almost perfectly normal minutes after collapsing, consistent with a> panic attack.> 2. Millions of people suffering from panic and anxiety would benefit if he> came forward about what happened.

> 3. If ACT helps you to move forward and act on your values while allowing a> sensation to be there, then there is a good chance there is nothing> physically wrong.>

[Guest guest]

Well having stated that:

" 2. Millions of people suffering from panic and anxiety would benefit if he

came forward about what happened. "

I would have thought it relevant to first establish whether he did _actually_

have a panic

attack. And you seemed so sure that this was the case, I wondered what you were

basing

that on.

I got the impression from your posts that thought there was some sort of

cover-up going

on.

No worries

Cath

I can see now that there is absolutely no point in moving this discussion

> away from did he or didn't he and toward something helpful.

>

> I'm done.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

> > I'm wondering what has led you to believe that he did, in fact, have a

> > panic attack? It

> > doesn't look like a panic attack to me. It looks like a simple case of

> > fainting. It is because

> > it mirrors your own experience?

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Cath

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Okay.

> > >

> > > I see that bringing up the incident caused many people to worry about

> > their

> > > own experiences, for this I sincerely apologize.

> > >

> > > I am deep into Russ ' book right now, working on my " observer self "

> > > and " noticing " sensations.

> > >

> > > When I do this, I let go of why they are happening and just let them

> > happen.

> > > And all sensations are equal. If you faint, or just collapse (he was

> > alert

> > > extremely soon after he collapsed so for all we know he didn't actually

> > > faint), it's your body reacting to something. Maybe it is all in your

> > head.

> > > Maybe it is something biological. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

> > It

> > > doesn't matter.

> > >

> > > To separate the two - to say that panic or anxiety doesn't cause fainting

> > -

> > > is missing the point. Panic or anxiety directly or indirectly can cause

> > an

> > > infinite amount of things. I'm not going to overanalyze this poor man

> > > anymore.

> > >

> > > Here's a great example:

> > >

> > > Let's say you are coming down with the flu. You have a headache, body

> > ache,

> > > fever. If you use ACT to deal with these sensations, it will help you

> > deal

> > > with them. You won't be turning cartwheels, but you will be dealing with

> > the

> > > physical situation more effectively. Maybe you won't spend all day in bed

> > > moaning - even with this so-called entirely biological sensation

> > happening,

> > > you can still act on your values.

> > >

> > > So if our attorney general was into ACT, would he have collapsed? Maybe,

> > > maybe not. Was he experiencing panic? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is I

> > can

> > > watch what happened to him, know that it has happened to me, and accept

> > it.

> > > Does that mean everyone on this list will faint from panic one day? Of

> > > course not. We all have different bodies and experiences, we all react

> > > differently. I used to get mad that the books and doctors didn't validate

> > my

> > > symptoms as panic, or when my hypochondria was bad, as something " real. "

> > Now

> > > I just accept that every unpleasant symptom can be helped by using ACT,

> > and

> > > I try to let the source of it all be just that - the source. Something I

> > > can't control or predict. I feel flu symptoms off and on pretty much

> > > constantly. It's most likely due to anxiety, but I also get an

> > > annual physical, and I would definitely see a doctor if something was

> > really

> > > wrong, so I don't fault this guy for going to the hospital, I just think

> > > it's important to notice, objectively, a few things about this incident:

> > >

> > > 1. He was alert so fast afterward he might not have " fainted. " In fact,

> > he

> > > seemed almost perfectly normal minutes after collapsing, consistent with

> > a

> > > panic attack.

> > > 2. Millions of people suffering from panic and anxiety would benefit if

> > he

> > > came forward about what happened.

> > > 3. If ACT helps you to move forward and act on your values while allowing

> > a

> > > sensation to be there, then there is a good chance there is nothing

> > > physically wrong.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>